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So with Hurst supposedly been approached by club...
Would you be happy?
I certainly would, give us the best squad we've had for many years, and imagine what would of happened if it wasn't for fenty...
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Yes. He is one of the few that I think could navigate us out of this shitshow. We desperately need to keep us shape as he can’t stop shipping goals.
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Why would anyone want a bloke back who has such contempt for Town fans is beyond me.
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Boring but safe appointment. Fine with me.
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Why would anyone want a bloke back who has such contempt for Town fans is beyond me.
He cupped his ear boo hoo. So what. People need to get over it. He got his fair share of abuse so who cares if he gave a bit back. He’s on record as saying that he thinks we have great fans, especially away from home.
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Why would anyone want a bloke back who has such contempt for Town fans is beyond me.
Another myth...the only people who have contempt for fans at GTFC are in the boardroom...
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With bells on. Should’ve never let him go in the first place.
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Would be a decent appointment.
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His percentage style football keeps us in the league. Boring yes but you know what you’re going to get every week. There’s no chance he’d work for Fenty again though is there?
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I would be happy with Hurst but nothing will make me change my stance Fenty.
Fenty Out.
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Meh, I think with the narcissistic Baron Ego still in charge we are going down regardless.
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Yes, with new owners would be even better.
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If that little excrement comes back I will be finished with Gtfc for good.
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Why would anyone want a bloke back who has such contempt for Town fans is beyond me.
Has he? How do you actually know that for a fact? Yes he cupped is ear at Wembley as Bogle did after scoring on of his goals....... personally if I’d have got the abuse Hurst got I’d have probably done a bit more than cupping my ear.
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If that little excrement comes back I will be finished with Gtfc for good.
bUt hE cUpPeD hIs EaR
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Has he? How do you actually know that for a fact?
Yes he cupped is ear at Wembley as Bogle did after scoring on of his goals....... personally if I’d have got the abuse Hurst got I’d have probably done a bit more than cupping my ear.
With some of the absolute nonsense aimed at hurst after we’d lose a game I’d have walked on to the pitch at Wembley, faced the town fans, stuck my fingers up and copulated off... Let’s not forget, the Lord wasn’t exactly the easiest person to get along with...
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Id be happy for him to come back till the end of the season but wouldnt fancy him as long term boss again.
Yeah we won loads of games in the conference, but when we had a top 5 budget, you expect to finish in the top 5. It's a different kettle of fish managing in a league where you have one of the lowest budgets. Thats where you need a manager who can over-achieve based on expectations resulting from the budget.
I'm not saying it wouldn't work. But i certainly dont think it would, long-term, if its under the current ownership.
Just to add.....this is nothing to do with the ear-cupping. I thought it was a bit daft him doing it but it didn't bother me. My view, which is probably an unpopular one by the looks of it, is based on football reasons only. Just my opinion.
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It’s almost irrelevant. With no change in the boardroom we’ll tree water at best.
Hurst has got what it takes to keep us up. Not sure he’d want to come back unless he wants to avoid dipping further into his severance package.
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Get Him in asap Get us safe keep us shape No team has played with the same spirit and togetherness since I would swap every position player from that team for every one now And that was hursts team Hurst Davies or Collins as no 2 Moore O That will keep us up Ignore the bitter ear cup brigade PH 👂
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Would have him back in a heartbeat.
The fact UTM are reporting it leads me to suspect it’s true, they are always bang on and I suspect have very good sources.
Would suggest ownership may change as can’t see him working with Fenty again.
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Absolutely ridiculous idea.
Going back never works.
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Absolutely ridiculous idea.
Going back never works.
Buckley second time around.
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I'd be ok with it
Not ecstatic but would expect him to be able to sort out the mess we're in ( although he didn't pull up any trees at Scunny last season did he?)
Of course Fenty still on the scene would surely scupper any move back here...
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There’s no way he’d come back with fenty still in charge . If that means new owners coming in I’d take him but I’d hope the new owners would bring in a new guy with fresh ideas we haven’t seen before.
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Buckley second time around.
Hurst isn't in the same league or same mold as Lord Buckley, and if he does come, at the very best we'll tread water around the trapdoor with the dour one in charge of us.
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You could get Gaurdiola in but without proper player investment and contracts that do not include clauses that other clubs don’t put in then we’re going nowhere, we’ll maybe to the conference.
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I don’t think he would keep us up....
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Hates the fans, boring football, delusions of being a premier manager at a league 2 club. No for me.
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New owners then Hurst back..
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I thought with all these sensible posts about ownership that Fishy fans were getting sensible. Are we going to keep on having polls for Hurst until someone gets the result they want? I don’t think he would come but in any case I wouldn’t want another moaner at the club.
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I still can’t get over his obsession he had with Monkhouse which in reality would have cost us the promotion had he not got injured...
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Get Him in asap Get us safe keep us shape No team has played with the same spirit and togetherness since I would swap every position player from that team for every one now And that was hursts team Hurst Davies or Collins as no 2 Moore O That will keep us up Ignore the bitter ear cup brigade PH 👂
You would imagine sniffer Doig would be part of any return but I do like the idea of Collins back to get the defenders working as a unit.
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He'd be good for us team
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I was biased for collins thought he was always superb I would assume his complete 100% effort and professionalism he would carry into his coaching management career?
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When I look back over the last 15 years, there have only been a few seasons where supporting town has been genuinely enjoyable, and Hurst’s spell in charge stands out.
Sure his style of play isn’t the best, but you’re guaranteed a team that will play for the shirt, and that’s what we need right now. I also think he would improve us and make us league 2 contenders given time - I know we struggled for promotion in the conference, but we were the big dogs and teams were happy to come and sit behind the ball. That won’t happen in league 2 and will suit his style better, like what he managed at Shrewsbury.
I also think we have a good enough spine to the team (definitely a strong enough defence) that needs a bit of organisation, and we all know hurst will get them into shape.
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People suggest that Hurst didn’t get the supporters but actually under Hurst the bond between players and the support felt much stronger especially in the promotion season and the one before. On the pitch after the Braintree 2nd leg with players and supporters interacting together was great especially for the younger one’s who’s traveled that day.
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Once Hurst was on his own and developed his approach there was barely an away game where you didn’t know we’d win 1-0 or get the much needed result.
People point to the fact we were along way from the top spot the year we actually went up but who actually cares...I wouldn’t trade that day for anything.
People always forget we almost missed out on the playoffs in Buckley MKII...
Hurst’s style may not have been overly exciting but it was effective regardless of what people say. Perhaps he was too cautious at times and I’ve spoke with him and he’s admit that but let’s face it, the minute we re-entered the league the club reverted to type which meant bringing in cheaper players...however, those players still bought in to what Hurst was about and it was working.
The man at the top was responsible for the relationship breaking down and we’ll never really know if Hurst could’ve taken us beyond...probably not given the leadership at the top but just becauee he cupped his ears and some fans got all sulky about it shouldn’t mean the guy isn’t listed in there with Buckley, McMenemy, etc...he got us promoted. Only two managers in my life time have achieved that.
He’s the only manager that hand on heart any of us could say assembled a team we felt connected with aside from the Lord.
I don’t believe he’ll come back under Fenty’s rule, if he did it would shock me and I’m not sure it would be worth ruining what went before. For me, whilst Fenty remains intercourse all changes and the club remains on life support regardless of manager...
I think it would be good to move the club forward of new owners came in and that would mean a new manager we’ve never seen before but if new owners brought Hurst back I don’t it would be the worst thing ever...
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This was in a previous thread from DieHardMariner and it sums up my thoughts entirely !
Hurst taking us to the next level is one of the funniest things I've read in ages.
He did his job, eventually, in getting us out the Conference but we fell over that line and you could argue that he only actually stumbled upon a system that worked because his favourite, Andy Monkhouse, got injured which meant he made to switch things up in midfield. It also meant we couldn't continue with the long ball out to the left wing, having seen it fail pretty much every time since about late August of that season.
Whist I had no issue with his decision to rebuild that squad, because it was barely good enough to get promotion from the Conference, he then spectacularly failed to do so and ended up weakening it. Vernon for Amond. Berrett for Clay. Chambers for Arnold. That's ignoring the players that he had no chance of keeping like Toto, Nolan and Tait, those were well out of his control.
His public relations skills were dreadful. He was never going to take us to the next level of anything because he totally alienated a large proportion of the fan base. A banner hanging from the flyover declaring 'Hurst Out' on the eve of a play-off semi-final second leg was in poor taste. But cupping your ears to the fans having finally stumbled over the line was even poorer. He hadn't been there for the last 15 years of abject failure, he hadn't felt it when we failed time after time after time. He didn't have the right to stick that middle finger up at us. That moment was as much ours as it was his, if not more.
Am I grateful he got us out the Conference? Yes, but I don't hold him in this state of some sort of Messiah. I always felt he held us back with his negative style of play. I'll always remember him saying that as a player he much more enjoyed those 1-0 smash and grab wins than trouncing someone 5-0, it showed in his managerial style too.
Did he deserve better investment from the board? Yes, absolutely. Promotion or not, denying any manager that level of basic infrastructure is criminal in this day and highlights the wider problems we've got.
But to say he would have taken us to the next level is fantasy stuff in my eyes. We had a poor squad that year and were in a bit of a honeymoon period type false position when he left. What probably makes his record look better is that he was followed by a guy who was bat excrement crazy!
If I had to sum Hurst up it would be a great spotter of talent, but largely fails to get the best from those players when he has them at his disposal. His other outstanding attribute is building a dressing room. You can't deny the spirit he built here and evidently he built one at Shrewsbury too. But that will only take you so far.
Unfortunately to some of our younger fans Hurst's tenure was the only success they have ever known and as such he is deemed worthy of return, however taking six years to get us back into the league with a good budget most seasons was completely unacceptable. Many have very short memories of his constant "Bigging Up" the competition and awful performances against Dog and Duck sides.
So for me, its a NO !
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People suggest that Hurst didn’t get the supporters but actually under Hurst the bond between players and the support felt much stronger especially in the promotion season and the one before. On the pitch after the Braintree 2nd leg with players and supporters interacting together was great especially for the younger one’s who’s traveled that day.
You are right but the key word is Braintree! We were still down among the dead men struggling to make a playoff final after all his seasons with a decent budget to put together a team to get out of that league. He’s a firefighter so I can see there may be an attraction, but he is not a “promoter”. I am sure good owners could find a better manager.
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The argument of Hurst failing to recruit instantly falls down with what we know about Amond...he won’t have been the only one in that situation you’d have thought...
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You are right but the key word is Braintree! We were still down among the dead men struggling to make a playoff final after all his seasons with a decent budget to put together a team to get out of that league. He’s a firefighter so I can see there may be an attraction, but he is not a “promoter”. I am sure good owners could find a better manager.
And a firefighter us what we need now. There must only be one objective from now until the end of the season ....... survival!!
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I would have Hurst back but it was a love hate relationship with fans, Hurst lack of using youth players has been the one positive from him leaving, so I would be worried about our youth system with Hurst in charge.
I think Hurst will end up at Bradford.
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Once Hurst was on his own and developed his approach there was barely an away game where you didn’t know we’d win 1-0 or get the much needed result.
People point to the fact we were along way from the top spot the year we actually went up but who actually cares...I wouldn’t trade that day for anything.
People always forget we almost missed out on the playoffs in Buckley MKII...
Hurst’s style may not have been overly exciting but it was effective regardless of what people say. Perhaps he was too cautious at times and I’ve spoke with him and he’s admit that but let’s face it, the minute we re-entered the league the club reverted to type which meant bringing in cheaper players...however, those players still bought in to what Hurst was about and it was working.
The man at the top was responsible for the relationship breaking down and we’ll never really know if Hurst could’ve taken us beyond...probably not given the leadership at the top but just becauee he cupped his ears and some fans got all sulky about it shouldn’t mean the guy isn’t listed in there with Buckley, McMenemy, etc...he got us promoted. Only two managers in my life time have achieved that.
He’s the only manager that hand on heart any of us could say assembled a team we felt connected with aside from the Lord.
I don’t believe he’ll come back under Fenty’s rule, if he did it would shock me and I’m not sure it would be worth ruining what went before. For me, whilst Fenty remains intercourse all changes and the club remains on life support regardless of manager...
I think it would be good to move the club forward of new owners came in and that would mean a new manager we’ve never seen before but if new owners brought Hurst back I don’t it would be the worst thing ever...
I don't know how long you have been watching Town but that statement ignores quite a few of us who have been watching for some time :- Lawrie McMenemy (probably the best manager in Town's history to get the players engaged with the fans) Tom Casey John Newman George Kerr Dave Booth Alan Buckley
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Yes yes yes.
If he joined with the consensus that this season is about maintaining league status (absolutely vital for so many reasons) and therefore its about doing what's necessary with the squad we have and that could mean boring 1-0 wins and 0-0 draws, then I think most would agree to that - with a view to build something more exciting for next season.
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I voted for him because I misjudged him over the Amond fiasco.
I thought it was his decision but it was Fenty being petty yet again.
Sorry Paul.
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Not a flipping chance, an abject failure, year after year. No doubt we would have to endure that bullying piece of excrement Doig as well. intercourse off
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I don't know how long you have been watching Town but that statement ignores quite a few of us who have been watching for some time :-
Lawrie McMenemy (probably the best manager in Town's history to get the players engaged with the fans)
Tom Casey
John Newman
George Kerr
Dave Booth
Alan Buckley
agreed, utterly ridiculous statement to make from the child
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Waiting to see which way Ipswin votes and I’ll follow his lead.
Hasn’t been proven wrong about a manager yet.
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Waiting to see which way Ipswin votes and I’ll follow his lead.
Hasn’t been proven wrong about a manager yet.
Think you’ll find Swin was a supporting advocate of Newell’s appointment so he’s not flawless!!!
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He cupped his ear boo hoo. So what. People need to get over it. He got his fair share of abuse so who cares if he gave a bit back.
He’s on record as saying that he thinks we have great fans, especially away from home.
No If you want a manager to get us out of this excrement its not him. It took him a fucin age to get us out of non league. Boring bloke, boring football and had contempt for the fans. Not just the ear bit, he fuckin hated the fans.
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What we need right now is someone who can put a half decent defence together and churn out some 1-0 wins. Hurst, for all his numerous faults, fits that bill. A five month contract with a juicy bonus for avoiding relegation would probably tempt him
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Boring but safe appointment. Fine with me.
Just remind me what was boring about having a team with players like Bogle, Podge and Nathan Arnold?
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Reluctant yes from me because of the situation we are in. Sums this club up that we are constantly firefighting and looking for a new manager to come into the club and rescue us at this stage of the season. If he comes back, we will have come full circle since we got back in the league, and that's another four years wasted going nowhere. I'm sick of it all to be honest, and just think what will be will be.
Would much prefer a new board and fresh, forward thinking ideas, but I fear Fenty and the men in grey suits will just blunder on regardless, as if the last 15 years was the fault of everyone except them.
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Hates the fans, boring football, delusions of being a premier manager at a league 2 club. No for me.
And the 'football' we poor illegitimates have had to put up with since has been a right barrel of laughs filled with non-stop excitement? Deluded.
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Of you look at the team that got us back in the league and look at the sides we have turned out since.
We have not come near it since.
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intercourse it let go the whole hog and get Slade back.
Why do we have to go back?? Get someone in whos not been tainted by Fenty
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intercourse it let go the whole hog and get Slade back.
Why do we have to go back?? Get someone in whos not been tainted by Fenty
I like you TAGG and agree with vast majority of what you say but on Hurst you are wrong He took issue with a minority of fans who gave him very unfair criticism and I refer back to Halifax away in which he was subjected to some of the worst abuse i’ve ever heard at a football match For me its a Yes. get him in
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I like you TAGG and agree with vast majority of what you say but on Hurst you are wrong
He took issue with a minority of fans who gave him very unfair criticism and I refer back to Halifax away in which he was subjected to some of the worst abuse i’ve ever heard at a football match
For me its a Yes. get him in
That was a particularly toxic afternoon To be honest the manager and the team did well to put that behind them and eventually get us promoted a few months later, because it was pure raw aggression aimed at him and the players To some extent there is always a latent anger with Town fans after all the years we've been let down but that day at Halifax sticks in my mind as being well over the top
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And the 'football' we poor illegitimates have had to put up with since has been a right barrel of laughs filled with non-stop excitement?
Deluded.
Was it 5 years in the conference with a top end end budget scrapping for 1-0 wins, I lost count the amount of times I walked out with more than 30 mins to go, just bored to intercourse. And this is this man let’s not forget who can’t deal with any criticism! he was a total anus the way he turned on lord Tondeur for doing his job, absolute disgrace the way he shut the door on him for his last post match interview. Little male masturbator.
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Nooooooo please not Hurst
With a new team at the helm investing in the future lets not go back (again)
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Very pragmatic style of football, just like we require atm. When he left us we were in and around play offs, and haven't been back since, so it's a yes from me...
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He’s the most realistic option available and arguably the best option available at the moment given our current predicament, so on that basis it’s a yes for me. I just hope he has new owners to work under who’ll hopefully give him the opportunity to change the culture and back room staff within the club, given that was one of the reasons he quit first time around.
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If u do come PH, leave Clifton and Pollock Alone
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Hates the fans, boring football, delusions of being a premier manager at a league 2 club. No for me.
Your pal/brother whatever he is, is quite happy to be here despite having nothing but contempt got the fans and has his own delusions.
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No If you want a manager to get us out of this excrement its not him. It took him a fucin age to get us out of non league. Boring bloke, boring football and had contempt for the fans. Not just the ear bit, he fuckin hated the fans.
What makes you think he hates the fans? A remark about being spoilt ‘which we were’ an ear cupping after winning promotion a week after some numpty put up a Hurst out banner? Is there something else I’m missing because neither of those suggest he hates the fans. Please enlighten me. My own view is he turned around a club that was mid table in the conference and despite budget restraints build a side better than any we have had since being back in the league.
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If we want new owners we need to hold off this board appointing a new manager.
Maybe the consortium have someone in mind - you know, a proper, proven manager 😉
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I think anyone coming in will look at game videos first to see what we have. And say we would need this amount of players and it is going o cost this much at least , Will i get the backing to get these players if not its a goodbye from me cos am not having a relagation out the league on my cv.
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I would welcome Hurst, safe boring football but It got results and whilst it wasn't very well suited to the national League where we are expected to go up, in league 2 it would suit us and we will certainly have some shape which is more than we do now.
Halifax away was a very poor away day I remember it very well, it was the game after he said we was spoilt and we lost like 4-2 I think after being 4-0 down at half time.
He had issue with a minority of fans, and he thought the majority were very good, he never had a good relationship with Fenty, don't forget when he left we were in or around the play offs in league 2 and it has been absolutely awful since then. and he went to Shrewsbury and did a very good job, he was out of his depth at Ipswich and Scunthorpe was a mess but nobody does well at Scunthorpe.
I think he would come back if the takeover happens but he wouldn't come back under Fenty I don't think.
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If that little excrement comes back I will be finished with Gtfc for good.
Every cloud has a silver lining
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if his name wasn't Paul Hurst we'd be over the moon that we could get someone of his experience and ability at picking players. it's not an exciting choice, but we are 3rd bottom in the football league and beggars can't be choosers. with him in charge we are almost guarenteed to be safe
in his defence he now has 4-5 years experience at a higher level and should be a better man/manager for it. he will also be more confident hopefully , both in terms of style of play and in getting what he wants in regards to financial and personnel support. the final thing is that he is now financially secure - i always felt that he was very conscious of this and that his first spell was his only chance of carving out a managerial career, so he went ultra cautious and played the percentages people do change and we might see a different paul hurst 5 years on
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No no no we are looking forward not backwards again.
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I’d take Hurst back. 1. I’m boycotting watching the club while Fenty is in charge so I won’t have to watch the boring (but effective) football he serves up. 2. If Fenty goes Hurst may have kept us allowing us to build from a higher level.
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I’d take boring football and victories with this crap team. We’ve seen what happens when you try to play out from the back at this level.
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Does anyone know if he played the same style of football at the other clubs he’s been at?
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Its a NO from me, we need to move forwards not look back at a manager whos style of football has been well and truely found out since he left here. His time a Scunthorpe should tell us we need to know.
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Selective memory from some people...barely a mention of the brilliant job he did at Shrewsbury.
His win ratio at Town absolutely pisses all over any manager we’ve had since. We were in and around the playoffs in league two when he left and haven’t so much as troubled them since.
Listening to and reading interviews with that promotion squad shows you how much they were all behind him and playing for him.
And he praised the fans on SO many occasions in interviews. One throwaway comment aimed at a small section, and putting his hand to his ear and all of a sudden he hates us all? Christ get over it.
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his win ratio was high because of 5 seasons in the conference If Hurst is here i won’t be rushing back to watch his boring football.
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his win ratio was high because of 5 seasons in the conference If Hurst is here i won’t be rushing back to watch his boring football.
I’m not so sure the jump in levels is as much as people like to think and you can only beat what’s in front of you, but fair enough. I am though, 100% of the opinion that we’d have had a better time supporting town in the last 4 odd years if he hadn’t have left.
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Was it boring though? Occasionally we parked the bus when we were wining with ten minutes left but wouldn’t that be a lovely position to be in? We had goals from all over the pitch and a connection between team and fans that hasn’t been bettered. Maybe the boredom at home games was not having any away fans but Hurst can hardly be blamed for that!
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He couldn’t win the league with Boggle and Amond up front.
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He couldn’t win the league with Boggle and Amond up front.
His budget in the Conference was a lot lower than most people would expect.
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I still remember his comments when he joined Shrewsbury "It's nice to be somewhere where you can trust people".... so what changed Paul for you to come back. Because the trust levels here are not higher.
You weren't a bad manager, you weren't a good manager. You had far too much opinion of yourself and couldn't hand any criticism from the fans (cup the ear). You fluked the play off due to the Monkhouse injury which meant you had to reposition Nolan (he was never a central mid in a two, he always needed to be part of a three).
Thanks, but no thanks. Next.
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The thing about the Monkhouse injury drives me mad. Why not talk about the ridiculous sending off of Nielsen at Gateshead or the decision not to send off the Bristol Rovers keeper? We never had a top two budget in the conference. Lots of town fans were wrong about Hurst - only two mangers have won promotion in my lifetime and he was one.
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He couldn’t win the league with Boggle and Amond up front.
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I agree with you a bit Vance. That Gateshead year was a travesty, the home game was ridiculously one sided and the Neilson sending off absolutely atrocious.
The year before at Newport though we were so shite it was almost impossible to believe.
I guess the playoffs for us down there was a right mixed bag to say the least.
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Play off games, If only..
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I was one of Hurst’s biggest critics in the conference years. Too negative to go for promotion, when there was only one automatic place. Back in the League we’d have been fine with his approach with 3 automatic promotion spots and the play off placed as low down as 7th.
So if he’d come back I’d be happy. He might, if he’s considering it, wait until the sale is assured.
When Buckley came back there was a lot of negativity about him at first.
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I would expect Paul Hurst now to be different to the one who managed us non-league. The experience he has picked up in the higher leagues and the success and failure he has had would change anyone. He would only come back though if he could trust the people he was working for. So are the current Board listening at all? Tick tock...
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I wasn't a fan of Hurst and frequently criticised him on these boards. Would never vent my spleen at games toward any manager, but find nothing wrong with a healthy debate online.
However, when he got us back into the league, I remember saying on here that I thought he had earned the right to get all the fans backing to see how he did in the league and I would put my prejudices to one side.
To be fair, he was doing a decent job despite the obvious lack of backing , and I thought he was let down by the boardroom. Was miffed when he left for the Shrews, but in hindsight he saw a better offer and took it. If the club had backed him as they should have, things could be very different now. Always struck me as honest and straightforward, if a little dull, which was reflected on the pitch. We seem to have had nothing but barmy, volatile managers since, so perhaps he's just what we need right now. A steady hand.
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Was it boring though? Occasionally we parked the bus when we were wining with ten minutes left but wouldn’t that be a lovely position to be in? We had goals from all over the pitch and a connection between team and fans that hasn’t been bettered. Maybe the boredom at home games was not having any away fans but Hurst can hardly be blamed for that!
Like at Chester?
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Seen a lot of people mention how he did well in the conference etc because we was expected to and that it's different managing a shoehorn budget... do people forget the position he left us in? If he had stayed that season I fully believe we would of made the playoffs and Bogle wouldn't of left until the end of the year. He's a manager that gets his players buying into what he does and I see people saying his football wasn't pretty.. I seem to remember a very different Town side under him, he did what he had to win but we definitely wasn't a non football playing side. We absolutely played Bristol Rovers and Forest Green off the park in both play off finals we was in and if it wasn't for a bottle job of a ref then we would of gone up a year earlier. I also see people slagging his recruitment off but the same people asking for the likes of Pearson, Disley, Tait, Amond, Bogle type of players back.. all players signed by PH. Him or Graham Alexander are the only two i'll accept and I hope it's PH.
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Seen a lot of people mention how he did well in the conference etc because we was expected to and that it's different managing a shoehorn budget... do people forget the position he left us in? If he had stayed that season I fully believe we would of made the playoffs and Bogle wouldn't of left until the end of the year. He's a manager that gets his players buying into what he does and I see people saying his football wasn't pretty.. I seem to remember a very different Town side under him, he did what he had to win but we definitely wasn't a non football playing side. We absolutely played Bristol Rovers and Forest Green off the park in both play off finals we was in and if it wasn't for a bottle job of a ref then we would of gone up a year earlier. I also see people slagging his recruitment off but the same people asking for the likes of Pearson, Disley, Tait, Amond, Bogle type of players back.. all players signed by PH. Him or Graham Alexander are the only two i'll accept and I hope it's PH.
But then we were crap in the other two seasons when we got to the play-off semi-finals against Gateshead and Newport.
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Like at Chester?
One game that we didn’t close out when there’s loads of examples of games we went in to win. Don’t forget he was new to managing on his own at that point but IMO was better tactically than a manager we’ve just had with nearly 1000 games under his belt. He certainly did a number on us with Scunny last season.
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Wheres the option of "Yes. But on the condition that he runs past the executive box cuping his ears when the fans are chanting for Fenty to go"
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I never disliked Hurst or even remotely criticised him when he was here, he had a mammoth task its only after reading about Fenty's penny pinching and complete disregard to hold on to our better players that you begin to think Hurst was a miracle worker for managing to navigate the club out of the National League under no doubt such strict micro management from above.
I was sad to see him go and I would welcome him back, but sadly I cannot see him returning to this club whilst Fenty is in charge. I cannot see many managers wanting to work for a man who's negative flaws are starting to be widely publicised, regardless of takeover talks.
We would be extremely lucky to attract a merry-go-round manager at this stage, I can see it being an internal appointment, likely Ben Davies if he himself is mad enough to take the job under such mess and stress.
Either way if Fenty stays we will either get the cheap option or someone with very little experience.
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Bradford have just announced that their interim managers are staying in charge until further notice. Hurst was linked strongly with that job.
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Bradford have just announced that their interim managers are staying in charge until further notice. Hurst was linked strongly with that job.
They have won their last three games, so I suppose they don't need to change things just yet. Just hope we get the new manager bounce, but I fear it's not underperforming players we have, but ones that are not good enough.
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They have won their last three games, so I suppose they don't need to change things just yet.
Just hope we get the new manager bounce, but I fear it's not underperforming players we have, but ones that are not good enough.
One of them was against us though so that will go down in the history books as a walkover as like so many other times under Holloway we didn’t turn up.
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Why would anyone want a bloke back who has such contempt for Town fans is beyond me.
Due to the behavior of some fans, and at times he had a point. But minority over majority.
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One of them was against us though so that will go down in the history books as a walkover as like so many other times under Holloway we didn’t turn up.
I did think that and was going to say the same, but I think it's apparent among the fans that one of their wins was a banker. We are now bottom of the form table, while Southend and Bradford have shot up. Southend have won 3 and drawn 2 of their last five. One of them being a home banker against us.
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They have won their last three games, so I suppose they don't need to change things just yet.
Just hope we get the new manager bounce, but I fear it's not underperforming players we have, but ones that are not good enough.
Great time to come in with a full window though. If it’s Hurst we know he will have better players ready to come in. I always thought his recruitment was very good.
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Whilst the critics of Hurst will point at people like Straker as an example of poor recruitment but in truth we recruited well and the important thing was the players wanted to play for him, they got what he was doing and they worked as a team.
Marcus Marshall is prime example of that...hardly the best player, comes on for a cameo in a game slipping away and plays like Messi...why? Because he wanted to because the manager believed in him and he knew his job.
I’d rather Hurst was brought in with new owners Becauee the club is still rotten and the old issues remain. It wouldn’t make sense coming back, let’s face it, he isn’t skint.
Perhaps we get the deal to get rid of Fenty before the manager is replaced?
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Great time to come in with a full window though.
If it’s Hurst we know he will have better players ready to come in. I always thought his recruitment was very good.
Yes he was good at that, it was just that the team played Sladeball when they got here. If Fenty swallowed his pride and appointed Hurst I could see him doing a salvage job for “us” club but it would be dire to watch and the spectre of the owner would still be there. Is that what we want? If Fenty went and new owners appointed Hurst then any “new owner bounce” and “new manager bounce” would disappear very quickly. And if fans are expecting a steady rise up the table and then through L1 under Hurst they will be waiting a very long time.
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Whilst the critics of Hurst will point at people like Straker as an example of poor recruitment but in truth we recruited well and the important thing was the players wanted to play for him, they got what he was doing and they worked as a team.
Marcus Marshall is prime example of that...hardly the best player, comes on for a cameo in a game slipping away and plays like Messi...why? Because he wanted to because the manager believed in him and he knew his job.
I’d rather Hurst was brought in with new owners Becauee the club is still rotten and the old issues remain. It wouldn’t make sense coming back, let’s face it, he isn’t skint.
Perhaps we get the deal to get rid of Fenty before the manager is replaced?
I hope this is the case - I hope it is the consortium who have approached Hurst if any of it is true. They will have a lot on their plate, so if they can bring in an experienced manager like Hurst and give him the tools to do the job then that would be a wise move. If it is Fenty doing the asking, like a lot of lifetime fans I am out of here!
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Don’t think Hurst will come back if Fenty still there. Why would he as he’s still being paid by Scunthorpe and presumably has a home near Sheffield
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Yes he was good at that, it was just that the team played Sladeball when they got here.
If Fenty swallowed his pride and appointed Hurst I could see him doing a salvage job for “us” club but it would be dire to watch and the spectre of the owner would still be there. Is that what we want?
If Fenty went and new owners appointed Hurst then any “new owner bounce” and “new manager bounce” would disappear very quickly. And if fans are expecting a steady rise up the table and then through L1 under Hurst they will be waiting a very long time.
I’m not sure where this dire to watch nonsense comes from, I watched it all and granted it wasn’t tika taka, but it certainly wasn’t Sladeball.
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Can't see Hurst wanting to come back if JF is still here.
Don't need a manager to be full of bull like the last one was in interviews etc just want someone who can spot a player, organise a team and get us climbing up the league.
Imo Hurst would be a good pick.
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It might work for half a season and save us from relegation but he would want a longer contract.
Then next season we would simply see a continuation of the Hurst mantra - get players behind the ball and keep them there. That is OK on a salvage job, Allardyce is now doing it at West Brom.. But if you want a team to progress you need tactics and players that get people into the box. How many times on here did we crIticise Hurst for only having Shop up front? Even when we forked out for Bogle Hurst played a non-scoring striker up there and left out Almond as well. People advocating Hurst coming back had better be aware of what they wish for.
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I mean the game he left out Amond the player himself said it was helpful as he was feeling it...scored Hatrick next game I believe...
May be it is fresh ideas we need, May be Hirst is exactly what we need? Who the duck knows. I’m just worried that Fenty is going to preside over the kicking of another manager if we aren’t careful and one in the entire termite that was any good doesn’t fill me with confidence...
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As Hurst was here for a number of seasons it’s easy for people to pull out the games where we where poor or it just didn’t click, every side has those days through a season.
In terms of the quality of football well we where a non league team with non league players so it’s never going to be free flowing but at times it was decent and other times especially at home where many opponents parked the bus it could be hard to watch. One thing you notice about being back in the league is that visiting sides don’t boot the ball into Harrington St as much as they used to.
Anyone who travelled away regularly during his time here can testify that despite Chester’s, Foggy Braintree’s and Halifax’s he developed into a half decent manager he often setting up the side to graft out a result or indeed sometimes knock 2 or 3 in. In his final weeks he took the side to Luton and again “did a job” on them. Don’t forget last season when he came to BP with the Scunts after a poor first half he changed them to a diamond which helped them win the game.
In terns of signings like all managers he got some wrong but I think he proved he had an eye for a player. Also show me a player with a half decent attitude to and willingness to work who has a bad word to say against him, I can’t think of one whilst he was our manager. He generally had a good level of unity in his squads and anyone who was disruptive or not willing to work was moved in quickly, which in my mind is a good thing.
People say he wasn’t great with the media, was he “not great” or just not a show pony like a couple of his predecessors? He did come across shy but the 3 times I got to talk to him he was very polite and just seemed like a normal bloke. Also maybe this is just something to do with being in non league but the players seemed more accessible, relaxed and happy to engage with supporters before, after and in some moments even during games.
He made a lot of mistakes but they key thing is he learned and developed into a manager who was tempted away to a higher division which usually means he’s courted interest because he’s done a good job, a compliment that in the last half a century has only been reserved for McMenemy, Newman and Buckley, who all have something in common with Hurst in terms of taking us up a level.
It could be argued that he took too long to get us up, maybe but don’t forget a number of the clubs who went up ahead of us from a league where only 2 go up had bigger resources and had been building longer.
As a young manager who was developing Hurst made mistakes for sure and took some unnecessary stick for it as well. However he moved us forward which is something that people who have had the job since have failed to do, in fact despite all the talk we’re crap now and hot tips for the drop.
The threat of relegation is an important factor here as he’s got experience here moving Shrewsbury to safety.
Ipswich didn’t go well for him and I don’t know enough to say if it was him or “the budget” possibly a step to far to walk into a club that had been moving backwards for a while in a very competitive and tough league. I felt a bit sorry for him though as it didn’t take long for that fat ignorant p1ss head b******d Alan Brazil to get stuck into him on national radio day after day.
Personally i don’t think he’ll come back without a change in ownership but above all we need a pragmatist to get us out of this mess and he ticks that box perfectly.
The other reason why he may not come back is on the pitch we are so poor that it’s going to take some luck and lots of factors going our way to keep us up regardless of who the manager is, maybe just maybe he doesn’t need the sh1t that would come his way if despite his best efforts we dropped out of the league once more.
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It might work for half a season and save us from relegation but he would want a longer contract.
Then next season we would simply see a continuation of the Hurst mantra - get players behind the ball and keep them there. That is OK on a salvage job, Allardyce is now doing it at West Brom.. But if you want a team to progress you need tactics and players that get people into the box. How many times on here did we crIticise Hurst for only having Shop up front? Even when we forked out for Bogle Hurst played a non-scoring striker up there and left out Almond as well. People advocating Hurst coming back had better be aware of what they wish for.
Have you looked at the league table recently? Thinking about tomorrow is pointless when your house is burning down now.
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As Hurst was here for a number of seasons it’s easy for people to pull out the games where we where poor or it just didn’t click, every side has those days through a season.
In terms of the quality of football well we where a non league team with non league players so it’s never going to be free flowing but at times it was decent and other times especially at home where many opponents parked the bus it could be hard to watch. One thing you notice about being back in the league is that visiting sides don’t boot the ball into Harrington St as much as they used to.
Anyone who travelled away regularly during his time here can testify that despite Chester’s, Foggy Braintree’s and Halifax’s he developed into a half decent manager he often setting up the side to graft out a result or indeed sometimes knock 2 or 3 in. In his final weeks he took the side to Luton and again “did a job” on them. Don’t forget last season when he came to BP with the Scunts after a poor first half he changed them to a diamond which helped them win the game.
In terns of signings like all managers he got some wrong but I think he proved he had an eye for a player. Also show me a player with a half decent attitude to and willingness to work who has a bad word to say against him, I can’t think of one whilst he was our manager. He generally had a good level of unity in his squads and anyone who was disruptive or not willing to work was moved in quickly, which in my mind is a good thing.
People say he wasn’t great with the media, was he “not great” or just not a show pony like a couple of his predecessors? He did come across shy but the 3 times I got to talk to him he was very polite and just seemed like a normal bloke. Also maybe this is just something to do with being in non league but the players seemed more accessible, relaxed and happy to engage with supporters before, after and in some moments even during games.
He made a lot of mistakes but they key thing is he learned and developed into a manager who was tempted away to a higher division which usually means he’s courted interest because he’s done a good job, a compliment that in the last half a century has only been reserved for McMenemy, Newman and Buckley, who all have something in common with Hurst in terms of taking us up a level.
It could be argued that he took to long to get us up, maybe but don’t forget a number of the clubs who went up ahead of us from a league where only 2 go up had bigger resources and had been building longer.
As a young manager who was developing Hurst made mistakes for sure and took some unnecessary stick for it as well. However he moved us forward which is something that people who have had the job since have failed to do, in fact despite all the talk we’re crap now and hot tips for the drop.
The threat of relegation is an important factor here as he’s got experience here moving Shrewsbury to safety.
Ipswich didn’t go well for him and I don’t know enough to say if it was him or “the budget” possibly a step to far to walk into a club that had been moving backwards for a while in a very competitive and tough league. I felt a bit sorry for him though as it didn’t take long for that fat ignorant p1ss head b******d Alan Brazil to get stuck into him on national radio day after day.
Personally i don’t think he’ll come back without a change bin ownership but above all we need a pragmatist to get us out of this mess and he ticks that box perfectly.
The other reason why he may not come back is on the pitch we are so poor that it’s going to take some luck and lots of factors going our way to keep us up regardless of who the manager is, maybe just maybe he doesn’t need the sh1t that would come his way if despite his best efforts we dropped out of the league once more.
I think you have been taking some Nice biscuits Herts! Picking out odd games? Almond was left out, Bogle was left out purely to feed the Hurst obsession with defending from the front. Every team Hurst has managed has done the same. That is fair enough when the team in in the sh!t as we are or Shrewsbury were. It means you are hard to break down and if you are winning you bring on a full back in midfield! Maybe we need that kind of play just now to see us safe but rest assured that kind of play will carry on in the next season. We will have a decent team and we will get points against similar teams and we will fail to break down strugglers just as we did in the Conference because we will be a one trick pony again. "Oooop and under" to quote Eddie Waring. It is not a case of picking out poor games, it is a case of looking at Hurst's record. The Shrews fans could not understand why their team that was 1 or 2 in the league for most of the first half of the season suddenly began to play for draws from winning positions. Sound familiar? So I am not anti your view Herts, as I say, perhaps we need some of that Allardyce style Alamo stuff for the rest of the season. But if we want more than that we have to look at someone with more imagination than Hurst.
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Tough one this.
If we don’t sell the club, then I would say this would be a very good appointment as no one else with any credibility would come here. But let’s not chat bonkers, This would only happen if the takeover happens. And if a new consortium bought him in, if I’m being honest, I’m really unsure if it is a good appointment or not.
Plus side.
We need someone to organise us. And he is very good at that. We literally haven’t had an identity all season, zero consistency in structure. This is one of hursts biggest strengths. My main criticism of him was he wasn’t expansive enough for a team pushing for promotion. We always struggled breaking worse teams down. It always seemed to be let’s stop them, and not get them to worry about us. We are certainly not a team pushing for promotion now. Could he organise and get a siege mentality going and stop relegation? Definitely.
This would be the new owners first time involved in football. What do they actually know about hiring football managers? Would they get help from some one ? It’s a hell of an important appointment for their first one- and you do know what you are getting with hurst, so maybe a good safe option for this year.
On the downside.
He will split fans opinion. And it could even start to become divisive. With the new owners hopefully coming on board, now is a brilliant time to capitalise on this new dawn of positivity and attract more fans back to the club. Basically what Fenty should have done as soon as we got promoted, but missed the opportunity. Would This appointment mean we miss another chance of that. Possibly. However, Would dropping out the league miss out on this... definitely !!!
It just shows what a difficult appointment this is going to be. And what a mess fenty and co, as well as Holloway have got us into. FENTY OUT.
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I did think that and was going to say the same, but I think it's apparent among the fans that one of their wins was a banker.
We are now bottom of the form table, while Southend and Bradford have shot up. Southend have won 3 and drawn 2 of their last five. One of them being a home banker against us.
I was probably being a bit harsh on the players to be fair as it’s not their fault that so many of them are not good enough or ready. Even the ones who can hack it look all over the place at times which is possibly the impact of having to listen to Holloway for months. Despite beating the Scunts we look like we’re in free fall, there is so much to do on and off the pitch whoever takes over has a massive job on their hands.
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The only manager in an age, that has ever brought us any sustained level of challenging for promotion, backed up by eventual success.
He was a young, modern and innovative manager; who the board allowed time to grow in experience.
He unearthed gems that nobody saw coming. Time and again supporters would try to second guess who his signings would be, with everybody gobsmacked when someone arrived that nobody had really much knowledge of. Who the hell is Padraig Amond we said and where the hell has he found him.
Dave Moore once said of Hurst, that he’s the hardest working manager he’s ever seen or worked with. His knowledge of players is massive and there’s hardly a free day when he isn’t somewhere watching football.
I was gutted when he left. Those fans (a minority) that got on his back were warned constantly to be careful what you wish for. That cliche warning came true. You wished him away and just look at the crap we’ve had since.
The confidence he had in himself was immense to take over a Shrewsbury team that was nailed on to get relegated, and what an immense job he did there.
Ipswich was always going to be a massive ask for him. Ipswich a club full of people with designs well above their own station in football. A club he walked into that was already struggling and had the Crown Jewels sold beneath his feet.
Scunnie, well I think they panicked and were stupid to get rid of him.
I’d have Hursty back here in a heartbeat. I don’t give a dam if he isn’t the Mr Bright n Breezy PR man. Buckley wasn’t and he did a decent job didn’t he. Give me an arrogant sure of himself manager any day, over a PR mad TV & Radio personality like that loser Holloway
I’ve got everything crossed we get Hurst. Come on Mr Fenty & Day you can do this
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The only manager in an age, that has ever brought us any sustained level of challenging for promotion, backed up by eventual success.
He was a young, modern and innovative manager; who the board allowed time to grow in experience.
He unearthed gems that nobody saw coming. Time and again supporters would try to second guess who his signings would be, with everybody gobsmacked when someone arrived that nobody had really much knowledge of. Who the hell is Padraig Amond we said and where the hell has he found him.
Dave Moore once said of Hurst, that he’s the hardest working manager he’s ever seen or worked with. His knowledge of players is massive and there’s hardly a free day when he isn’t somewhere watching football.
I was gutted when he left. Those fans (a minority) that got on his back were warned constantly to be careful what you wish for. That cliche warning came true. You wished him away and just look at the crap we’ve had since.
The confidence he had in himself was immense to take over a Shrewsbury team that was nailed on to get relegated, and what an immense job he did there.
Ipswich was always going to be a massive ask for him. Ipswich a club full of people with designs well above their own station in football. A club he walked into that was already struggling and had the Crown Jewels sold beneath his feet.
Scunnie, well I think they panicked and were stupid to get rid of him.
I’d have Hursty back here in a heartbeat. I don’t give a dam if he isn’t the Mr Bright n Breezy PR man. Buckley wasn’t and he did a decent job didn’t he. Give me an arrogant sure of himself manager any day, over a PR mad TV & Radio personality like that loser Holloway
I’ve got everything crossed we get Hurst. Come on Mr Fenty & Day you can do this
If Fenty and Day choose ANYBODY the club is dead. The fans are out. There has to be a takeover.
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I think you have been taking some Nice biscuits Herts! Picking out odd games? Almond was left out, Bogle was left out purely to feed the Hurst obsession with defending from the front. Every team Hurst has managed has done the same. That is fair enough when the team in in the sh!t as we are or Shrewsbury were. It means you are hard to break down and if you are winning you bring on a full back in midfield! Maybe we need that kind of play just now to see us safe but rest assured that kind of play will carry on in the next season. We will have a decent team and we will get points against similar teams and we will fail to break down strugglers just as we did in the Conference because we will be a one trick pony again. "Oooop and under" to quote Eddie Waring. It is not a case of picking out poor games, it is a case of looking at Hurst's record. The Shrews fans could not understand why their team that was 1 or 2 in the league for most of the first half of the season suddenly began to play for draws from winning positions. Sound familiar? So I am not anti your view Herts, as I say, perhaps we need some of that Allardyce style Alamo stuff for the rest of the season. But if we want more than that we have to look at someone with more imagination than Hurst.
If this was late May and the season had just finished I wouldn’t be too impressed with getting any former manager back. We know what we’re getting with Hurst and though he won’t be the only out of work Manager who may be able to save us from the drop he’s done it at a club before which I think is an important factor in whoever gets the job. I’d assume he’d bring Doig with him which also might be another thing to his advantage as our defence needs real work. There is far too much to do for just one person to come in. Though I’ve tried to be balanced re my views on Hurst he’s actually not my “wish list” choice, in fact in that particular list he’s probably 4th at best. At the moment though I don’t think any of us have the luxury of our wish lists but there is a reality that our nightmares could quite easily come true.
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As Hurst was here for a number of seasons it’s easy for people to pull out the games where we where poor or it just didn’t click, every side has those days through a season.
In terms of the quality of football well we where a non league team with non league players so it’s never going to be free flowing but at times it was decent and other times especially at home where many opponents parked the bus it could be hard to watch. One thing you notice about being back in the league is that visiting sides don’t boot the ball into Harrington St as much as they used to.
Anyone who travelled away regularly during his time here can testify that despite Chester’s, Foggy Braintree’s and Halifax’s he developed into a half decent manager he often setting up the side to graft out a result or indeed sometimes knock 2 or 3 in. In his final weeks he took the side to Luton and again “did a job” on them. Don’t forget last season when he came to BP with the Scunts after a poor first half he changed them to a diamond which helped them win the game.
In terns of signings like all managers he got some wrong but I think he proved he had an eye for a player. Also show me a player with a half decent attitude to and willingness to work who has a bad word to say against him, I can’t think of one whilst he was our manager. He generally had a good level of unity in his squads and anyone who was disruptive or not willing to work was moved in quickly, which in my mind is a good thing.
People say he wasn’t great with the media, was he “not great” or just not a show pony like a couple of his predecessors? He did come across shy but the 3 times I got to talk to him he was very polite and just seemed like a normal bloke. Also maybe this is just something to do with being in non league but the players seemed more accessible, relaxed and happy to engage with supporters before, after and in some moments even during games.
He made a lot of mistakes but they key thing is he learned and developed into a manager who was tempted away to a higher division which usually means he’s courted interest because he’s done a good job, a compliment that in the last half a century has only been reserved for McMenemy, Newman and Buckley, who all have something in common with Hurst in terms of taking us up a level.
It could be argued that he took too long to get us up, maybe but don’t forget a number of the clubs who went up ahead of us from a league where only 2 go up had bigger resources and had been building longer.
As a young manager who was developing Hurst made mistakes for sure and took some unnecessary stick for it as well. However he moved us forward which is something that people who have had the job since have failed to do, in fact despite all the talk we’re crap now and hot tips for the drop.
The threat of relegation is an important factor here as he’s got experience here moving Shrewsbury to safety.
Ipswich didn’t go well for him and I don’t know enough to say if it was him or “the budget” possibly a step to far to walk into a club that had been moving backwards for a while in a very competitive and tough league. I felt a bit sorry for him though as it didn’t take long for that fat ignorant p1ss head b******d Alan Brazil to get stuck into him on national radio day after day.
Personally i don’t think he’ll come back without a change in ownership but above all we need a pragmatist to get us out of this mess and he ticks that box perfectly.
The other reason why he may not come back is on the pitch we are so poor that it’s going to take some luck and lots of factors going our way to keep us up regardless of who the manager is, maybe just maybe he doesn’t need the sh1t that would come his way if despite his best efforts we dropped out of the league once more.
Agree with this completely. I don't think he'll come back but I'd have him back in a heartbeat!
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It might work for half a season and save us from relegation but he would want a longer contract.
Then next season we would simply see a continuation of the Hurst mantra - get players behind the ball and keep them there. That is OK on a salvage job, Allardyce is now doing it at West Brom.. But if you want a team to progress you need tactics and players that get people into the box. How many times on here did we crIticise Hurst for only having Shop up front? Even when we forked out for Bogle Hurst played a non-scoring striker up there and left out Almond as well. People advocating Hurst coming back had better be aware of what they wish for.
And if ever there was a moment for saying "be careful what you wish for" it would have been when some people on here were longing to see the back of Hurst when we'd just been promoted back into the football league and at the time were sitting in the play-off zone. And what's happened since, pray tell? Well allow me to remind you. We've hired 4 managers who demonstrated various degrees of charisma (unlike the 'dour' Hurst), all of whom served up a crock of sh*t in terms of tactics, togetherness, entertainment, new signings, and most importantly - the loyalty of players. And in that period, our beloved club has nose-dived to cliff-edge of oblivion once again. As you say Ron, be careful what you wish for...
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I'd have him back. Not with any huge enthusiasm, but with the expectation that he could steady the ship and grind out enough results for us to avoid the drop.
That said, I thought the same about the return of Slade, not realising just how much he'd lost it since his first spell with us.
Hurst would be coming on the back of failure at Scunny and Ipswich but expectations there were rather more than you'd expect from a manager with a dour and defensive reputation. Dour and well-drilled defensive footy tends to be a good way to avoid relegation, providing you can get the personnel you require.
Of course, the biggest benefit of Hurst coming would be that it isn't likely to happen without the eventual departure of Fenty...
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I’ve got everything crossed we get Hurst. Come on Mr Fenty & Day you can do this
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And if ever there was a moment for saying "be careful what you wish for" it would have been when some people on here were longing to see the back of Hurst when we'd just been promoted back into the football league and at the time were sitting in the play-off zone.
And what's happened since, pray tell? Well allow me to remind you. We've hired 4 managers who demonstrated various degrees of charisma (unlike the 'dour' Hurst), all of whom served up a crock of sh*t in terms of tactics, togetherness, entertainment, new signings, and most importantly - the loyalty of players.
And in that period, our beloved club has nose-dived to cliff-edge of oblivion once again.
As you say Ron, be careful what you wish for...
To be fair to the other 4, they also had to deal with Fenty’s penny wise pound foolish ways. There was no way we were going to keep Hurst longer, even if the fans were 100% behind him.
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And if ever there was a moment for saying "be careful what you wish for" it would have been when some people on here were longing to see the back of Hurst when we'd just been promoted back into the football league and at the time were sitting in the play-off zone.
And what's happened since, pray tell? Well allow me to remind you. We've hired 4 managers who demonstrated various degrees of charisma (unlike the 'dour' Hurst), all of whom served up a crock of sh*t in terms of tactics, togetherness, entertainment, new signings, and most importantly - the loyalty of players.
And in that period, our beloved club has nose-dived to cliff-edge of oblivion once again.
As you say Ron, be careful what you wish for...
Yes indeed. But the fact 4 managers were varying degrees of crap does not mean another one was good ....... or that he was being honest in his dealings with the club at the time. It just means the owner was less than brilliant at appointing managers. You might want to ask Shrewsbury about that honesty point too.
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Some hilarious nitpicking going on in this thread. “He dropped Amond” how about he signed him, and got 37 goals or out of him too!! I dunno, as previously stated, he got us winning more than drawing and losing and that’ll do for me. People say the football wasn’t pretty and he was dull in interviews. But we’ve been crap and losing more often since he left. And we’ve had some very animated managers too in Holloway and Bignot.
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Definitely a split on this isn't there.
I'd back him to keep us up this season but I wouldn't fancy him being in charge long-term again.
He did well keeping Shrewsbury up when he first went there. But I think as mentioned by someone already, the general consensus from Shrewsbury fans is that the next year when they had been consistently in the top 2 for 4 months, they started playing as if they were a bottom 4 side again, in terms of cautiously trying to grind out results or hang on to draws.
So I don't see that his playing philosophy would have changed that much since he was here.
I know we were in or around the play off places when he left us (just checked, we were 8th) but that was only 14 games into the season. Who knows whether we'd have stayed there - with Omar leaving in January I'd suggest not.
His recruitment was what you'd expect really I thought. Like any managet, signed some good and some bad. But watcing central midfielders like James Berrett play wide midfield was excrutiating at times in those 14 games in league 2.
Surely there are managers out there with no previous attachment to GTFC who could keep us up this year and push us following that - building on the success of promoting Academy players.
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Definitely a split on this isn't there.
I'd back him to keep us up this season but I wouldn't fancy him being in charge long-term again.
He did well keeping Shrewsbury up when he first went there. But I think as mentioned by someone already, the general consensus from Shrewsbury fans is that the next year when they had been consistently in the top 2 for 4 months, they started playing as if they were a bottom 4 side again, in terms of cautiously trying to grind out results or hang on to draws.
So I don't see that his playing philosophy would have changed that much since he was here.
I know we were in or around the play off places when he left us (just checked, we were 8th) but that was only 14 games into the season. Who knows whether we'd have stayed there - with Omar leaving in January I'd suggest not.
His recruitment was what you'd expect really I thought. Like any managet, signed some good and some bad. But watcing central midfielders like James Berrett play wide midfield was excrutiating at times in those 14 games in league 2.
Surely there are managers out there with no previous attachment to GTFC who could keep us up this year and push us following that - building on the success of promoting Academy players.
Absolutely Tommy. He didn’t exactly tear up trees at Ipswich either. Weren’t there some ripe comments from Swin on that?😀 Some people have either short memories or low expectations.
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Absolutely Tommy. He didn’t exactly tear up trees at Ipswich either. Weren’t there some ripe comments from Swin on that?😀 Some people have either short memories or low expectations.
We’re Grimsby supporters we’ve been conditioned for low expectations over the last decade and a bit 😉
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We’re Grimsby supporters we’ve been conditioned for low expectations over the last decade and a bit 😉
Maybe we should raise our horizons then Herts! If we can get new owners that would be a great start and we should then be looking to do more than just survive and bobble around mid-table. Keep the pressure on for the first part of that wish list.
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Can’t say I would be 100% happy with it but there’s defo worse out there.
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hope he's already told Bennett that jogging back into position isn't acceptable and that dangling a leg just doesn't cut it
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hope he's already told Bennett that jogging back into position isn't acceptable and that dangling a leg just doesn't cut it
I hope he’s told him to head off back to Bristol.
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I was rather hoping for a bigger name (not as big as Holloway before some bright spark chips in) Not an unemplyed Scunthorpe reject
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I was rather hoping for a bigger name (not as big as Holloway before some bright spark chips in) Not an unemplyed Scunthorpe reject
A manager with promotion under his belt who has never seen a team relegated. Cheer up you old fart
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'Cupping my ear'.... has he gone yet ?
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As I’ve said before in our current predicament i feel he’s the best option we’ll realistically get so cautiously optimistic with this potential appointment. Who knows, with new, supportive owners who’ll hopefully provide him with the resources he needs he may well be a different kettle of fish this time around.
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Will probably be absolutely fine if a quarter of the fan base don't sit around moaning about him cupping his ear and leaving us for Shrewsbury all the flipping time.
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A manager with promotion under his belt who has never seen a team relegated.
Cheer up you old fart
I agree he could be useful next season to get us out of the Conference
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I sat on the fence about Hurst before I decided he would never get us up.
Hated the ear cupping and blamed him for Podge leaving.
Sorry Paul I was wrong on both.
If you look at that team that got us up I believe we would have had another promotion if it wasn't for him who shall not be named anymore.
If Hurst had got what he wanted he would not have left and Podge would still be with us.
That's all water under the bridge now so lets.get behind him if it is him and look ahead for better times.
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If it is Hurst some of the fannies in the current squad need to start thinking about whether or not they can terminate their rental tenancies early, or actually do some work in training and on the pitch..
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If it is Hurst some of the fannies in the current squad need to start thinking about whether or not they can terminate their rental tenancies early, or actually do some work in training and on the pitch..
You'd imagine Macca sitting them down and saying ‘look lads, we had this lad, Neilson, great player but was lazy and an bottom...gaffer copulated him right off’
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You'd imagine Macca sitting them down and saying ‘look lads, we had this lad, Neilson, great player but was lazy and an bottom...gaffer copulated him right off’
If Hurst still gets players who aren’t involved running up and down the touch line for fitness before a game we’ll need to move to an athletics stadium with the size of the current squad.
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You think doig will come too or Ben Davies be assistant?
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You think doig will come too or Ben Davies be assistant?
Personally, I really hope that Ben Davies doesn't become a casualty in all this - hoping that we can afford an assistant and a coach. (And a Strength & Conditioning Coach!!)
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You think doig will come too or Ben Davies be assistant?
Doig wont even know whats going on!
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Don’t see why Davies wouldn’t at least be retained as a coach
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Folks
Think the time has come to unite behind a new manager, whoever he is.
It’s OUR club, OUR team and we want it to succeed
We don’t want division and vile exchanges. We want success and it can only be achieved with harmony. After the last few days, we don’t want any more of that.
There is every chance that we can complete the season well away from relegation, and who knows where else?
Rejoice in the new ownership and enjoy the ride, whoever is the new manager.
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Folks
Think the time has come to unite behind a new manager, whoever he is.
It’s OUR club, OUR team and we want it to succeed
We don’t want division and vile exchanges. We want success and it can only be achieved with harmony. After the last few days, we don’t want any more of that.
There is every chance that we can complete the season well away from relegation, and who knows where else?
Rejoice in the new ownership and enjoy the ride, whoever is the new manager.
This is why we need a complete fresh start no looking back forget Hurst he a fan divider we need someone we can all rally behind.
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Folks
Think the time has come to unite behind a new manager, whoever he is.
It’s OUR club, OUR team and we want it to succeed
We don’t want division and vile exchanges. We want success and it can only be achieved with harmony. After the last few days, we don’t want any more of that.
There is every chance that we can complete the season well away from relegation, and who knows where else?
Rejoice in the new ownership and enjoy the ride, whoever is the new manager.
That's all good. But this is the Fishy???
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You'd imagine Macca sitting them down and saying ‘look lads, we had this lad, Neilson, great player but was lazy and an bottom...gaffer copulated him right off’
Oddly enough I used to work with Scott’s cousin who once told me that he actually thought a lot of Hurst as he was straight with him in terms of expectation. Oddly enough as well as Scott’s cousin we had Leona Lewis’s brother working in the same workshop ....... if only they’d not had their paper rounds.
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Why is it that players become better players when they are not in the team?
I compare this to Hurst. Some people have short memories. How long before he becomes the next target for abuse on the Fishy?
Take your time new owners.
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Re-employing Hurst would be a retrograde step. FFS we have bitched and moaned about an owner who didn't invest in the club
Now he's gone we appear to be encouraging what claims to be a consortium that could buy and sell Fenty many times over to go back to an unemployed Scunthorpe and Ipswich reject former manager.
Surely if the new owners are half as rich as they make out to be and only a quarter as forward thinking as we all hope them to be, they will push the boat out for a higher profile manager than Hurst
If they are short sighted enough to employ him I just hope they don't trust him with a big transfer budget, he spunked a £3M budget up the wall at Ipswich, completely lost the dressing room (described by a lad from their academy as 'a right little Hitler') and left them after five months with them bottom of the table
I just don't get this thing we seem to have about wanting former managers and players back. Buckley, Slade, Hurst who next I wonder? Jolley if he does OK at Barrow possibly or even Newell when he inevitably loses his current job?
What happened to the new dawn?
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mcKeown, Clifton and Max will all know him, as will Luke Hendrie May have come across pollock amongst the youngsters.
The rest are in for a shock!
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Re-employing Hurst would be a retrograde step. FFS we have bitched and moaned about an owner who didn't invest in the club
Now he's gone we appear to be encouraging what claims to be a consortium that could buy and sell Fenty many times over to go back to an unemployed Scunthorpe and Ipswich reject former manager.
Surely if the new owners are half as rich as they make out to be and only a quarter as forward thinking as we all hope them to be, they will push the boat out for a higher profile manager than Hurst
If they are short sighted enough to employ him I just hope they don't trust him with a big transfer budget, he spunked a £3M budget up the wall at Ipswich, completely lost the dressing room (described by a lad from their academy as 'a right little Hitler') and left them after five months with them bottom of the table
I just don't get this thing we seem to have about wanting former managers and players back. Buckley, Slade, Hurst who next I wonder? Jolley if he does OK at Barrow possibly or even Newell when he inevitably loses his current job?
What happened to the new dawn?
'Right little Hitler'???? Bet the lad wasn't getting picked or ended up being rejected. Managers aren't there to make friends. With regard to 'rejected manager', you will do well to list managers who haven't experienced the sack. We are in a relegation dog fight and we need a manager to organise the defence and bring in a goalscorer. Hurst has a good track record with both. Hurst in!!!!
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Re-employing Hurst would be a retrograde step. FFS we have bitched and moaned about an owner who didn't invest in the club
Now he's gone we appear to be encouraging what claims to be a consortium that could buy and sell Fenty many times over to go back to an unemployed Scunthorpe and Ipswich reject former manager.
Surely if the new owners are half as rich as they make out to be and only a quarter as forward thinking as we all hope them to be, they will push the boat out for a higher profile manager than Hurst
If they are short sighted enough to employ him I just hope they don't trust him with a big transfer budget, he spunked a £3M budget up the wall at Ipswich, completely lost the dressing room (described by a lad from their academy as 'a right little Hitler') and left them after five months with them bottom of the table
I just don't get this thing we seem to have about wanting former managers and players back. Buckley, Slade, Hurst who next I wonder? Jolley if he does OK at Barrow possibly or even Newell when he inevitably loses his current job?
What happened to the new dawn?
You mean the same Ipswich that's a poisoned chalice and have spunked plenty more money after he left and still got relegated and are now a mid table league 1 side? They also have terrible owners. Anybody going in there was destined to fail from the start and showed what a good job Mick McCarthy was doing. Have a flipping word will you, the bloke gets results and is what we need at the moment. He will make us a better side at the moment and if he keeps us up then he deserves it full time because we look flipping doomed.
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Bet the lad wasn't getting picked or ended up being rejected. Managers aren't there to make friends.
With regard to 'rejected manager', you will do well to list managers who haven't experienced the sack.
We are in a relegation dog fight and we need a manager to organise the defence and bring in a goalscorer. Hurst has a good track record with both.
The lad in question is now a regular in the squad There are higher profile 'sacked' managers than Hurst Hurst brings in goalscorers alright, he just doesn't manage to keep them
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Personally, I really hope that Ben Davies doesn't become a casualty in all this - hoping that we can afford an assistant and a coach. (And a Strength & Conditioning Coach!!)
Given Paul Hurst brought Ben Davies to the club I expect he'd stay as he was coaching when he was last here.
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The lad in question is now a regular in the squad
There are higher profile 'sacked' managers than Hurst
Hurst brings in goalscorers alright, he just doesn't manage to keep them
Could be something to do with money!!
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You mean the same Ipswich that's a poisoned chalice and have spunked plenty more money after he left and still got relegated
Ah yes but isn't it normal to blame the previous manager (and / or owner) when the new man takes over with the club already in the excrement and ends up getting relegated After all thats what we'll do if we go down under Hurst isn't it? It will all be Holloway and Fenty's fault
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I think there are better choices than PH (Paul cook) but if he’s learnt from the last18 months he a safe pair of hands and with support from the board room he had a great eye for a player Not sure what happened at Ipswich but most football managers can only dream of going that long before their first sacking
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I think there are better choices than PH (Paul cook) but if he’s learnt from the last18 months he a safe pair of hands and with support from the board room he had a great eye for a player Not sure what happened at Ipswich but most football managers can only dream of going that long before their first sacking
He walked out on his three previous clubs!
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The lad in question is now a regular in the squad
There are higher profile 'sacked' managers than Hurst
Hurst brings in goalscorers alright, he just doesn't manage to keep them
Who would you have instead Ipswin?
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Ah yes but isn't it normal to blame the previous manager (and / or owner) when the new man takes over with the club already in the excrement and ends up getting relegated
After all thats what we'll do if we go down under Hurst isn't it? It will all be Holloway and Fenty's fault
I actually praised the previous manager. Mick Mccarthy was doing an unreal job to even keep them in league 1. I'm blaming the club as a whole for being a poisoned chalice, the squad he inherited was beyond poor and not championship quality. He took a gamble on Kayden Jackson who was banging them in and it failed. If we go down, yes it will be Holloways fault? Have you seen the squad we have at the moment that was assembled by IH? You my friend are living in a different world.
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'Right little Hitler'????
Bet the lad wasn't getting picked or ended up being rejected. Managers aren't there to make friends.
With regard to 'rejected manager', you will do well to list managers who haven't experienced the sack.
We are in a relegation dog fight and we need a manager to organise the defence and bring in a goalscorer. Hurst has a good track record with both.
Hurst in!!!!
Do you want to try and fix him to a 6 month contract, just save us from the drop please Paul and then go away while we look for a proper manager to take us on to another level? Or do you want to give him the 3 year contract he will want and trust him to do a good shot at promotion,? Would you trust him to do better at that than he did at Shrewsbury when the side suddenly went from promotion favourites to draws specialist play off hopefuls ....... and the manager was negotiating his next job behind the owner’s back? I’m with Swin on this. Go forwards not back.
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I will be pleased to see Hurst back he should never have been allowed to leave in the first place, had he not have left I am sure we would have finished top 7 in our first season back in the league.
Apart from Graham Alexander or the Cowley’s but they will be looking further than 22nd in league two. Hurst returning is probably the best we can hope for.
So he failed at Ipswich, a team that’s been in decline for years and shows how good a manager Mick McCarthy is, I’m sure eventually he would have got Scunny going.
I will back him 100% to keep us up and improve next season and I’m more confident with Hurst than if Holloway remained.
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Who would you have instead Ipswin?
I don't really give a excrement to be honest Anyway if I started suggesting names I'd get even more stick than I'm already getting from Hurst lovers for saying why I don't want to go backwards and take him on again I would just like the new lot to push the boat out and show us it really is a new start and not just another 'safe' predictable appointment on the cheap Did we really hound Fenty out simply to replace him with more of the same but with a bigger bank balance and a plan for the dock?
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No backing from me the man is poison, he’s got some front to come snivelling back here.
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Whoever comes in has a massive job to do, the squad is rubbish.
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Shrewsbury were bottom when Paul Hurst took over. Odds on for relegation: he kept them up (when 4 teams go down).
Next season they did not struggle around the relegation area: they were top of the table for most of the season. An outstanding transformation.
Hurst and the Shrewsbury team might not have believed their good fortune about getting automatic promotion to the Championship. (When they should really have been in Div 2).
My recollection is that they games in hand because they were also doing well in cup competions. Tiredness and a small squad also caught up with them. (Shrews fans moaning about him should have thought what they could have had playing in Div 2).
Hurst is now a more experienced and wiser manager. With Fenty gone and new owners, he should be given every opportunity to succeed.
At least we will "keep us shape".
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Some of the flipping cry baby girls on here oh my lord😂😂
Its almost as though pep and Klopp are applying for a team 3rd bottom in L2
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Shrewsbury were bottom when Paul Hurst took over. Odds on for relegation: he kept them up (when 4 teams go down).
Next season they did not struggle around the relegation area: they were top of the table for most of the season. An outstanding transformation.
Hurst and the Shrewsbury team might not have believed their good fortune about getting automatic promotion to the Championship. (When they should really have been in Div 2).
My recollection is that they games in hand because they were also doing well in cup competions. Tiredness and a small squad also caught up with them. (Shrews fans moaning about him should have thought what they could have had playing in Div 2).
Hurst is now a more experienced and wiser manager. With Fenty gone and new owners, he should be given every opportunity to succeed.
At least we will "keep us shape".
I don’t think you would find that argument cuts much ice with Shrews fans. And you neglect the way he left the club. And you are still going backwards when we should be looking forwards.
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View from the Lower on Twitter reporting Hurst to Town is a done deal and will be announced this year?!
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I don’t think you would find that argument cuts much ice with Shrews fans. And you neglect the way he left the club. And you are still going backwards when we should be looking forwards.
He didn’t want to leave. He didn’t want the team that got promoted to break up. He wanted similar staffing to other managers in League 2. He certainly wasn’t unreasonable.
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View from the Lower on Twitter reporting Hurst to Town is a done deal and will be announced this year?!
Well there are only a couple of days left of this year...
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The lad in question is now a regular in the squad
There are higher profile 'sacked' managers than Hurst
Hurst brings in goalscorers alright, he just doesn't manage to keep them
Now a regular in the squad....a division below from when Hurst was manager. Higher profile....like Slade or Holloway? And maybe with new owners he’d stand more of a chance of keeping them?
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Hurst at BP tonight. Probably thinking he has got a lot or work to do !!
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I'd like to know how the new owners have arrived at Hurst
Who recommended / suggested him?
Was it one of the gang of three based on their knowledge of his previous with the club?
The Trust perhaps or Day maybe?
They must have some firm reason for appointing the man they want to save their not insignificant investment from relegation.
Perhaps he got his application in early after Holloway bottled it, to Fenty maybe or possibly 'To whom it may concern If you buy out that twit Fenty I'm interested'
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I'd like to know how the new owners have arrived at Hurst
Who recommended / suggested h
Was it one of the gang of three based on their knowledge of his previous with the club?
The Trust perhaps or Day maybe?
They must have some firm reason for appointing the man they want to save their not insignificant iinvestment from relegation.
Perhaps he got his application in early after Holloway bottled it, to Fenty or possibly 'To whom it may concern If you buy out that twit Fenty I'm interested'
I'm told that hurst approached the consortium asking to come back. I can t tell you anything more than that
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I'm told that hurst approached the consortium asking to come back. I can t tell you anything more than that
And they just said 'OK Paul' ? Surely there must have been other managers who heard Holloway had quit and that a major change upstairs was likely?
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Southend and Jolley's boys both losing There's hope yet
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More importantly Holloway isn’t our manager...that can only be a bonus...
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And they just said 'OK Paul' ?
Surely there must have been other managers who heard Holloway had quit and that a major change upstairs was likely?
Which bit of 'I cant tell you any more than that' did you not understand?
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Which bit of 'I cant tell you any more than that' did you not understand?
The bit where you tried to make it sound like you know something but can't say!
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Sorry if it seemed that way.
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Hurst at BP tonight. Probably thinking he has got a lot or work to do !!
That has burst my euphoria bubble good and proper.
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Confirmed by John Tondeur on Twitter. Hurst back on Blundell Park!
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kick him out the ground. He walked out on us, i dont want him back, go forwards, not backwards.
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Confirmed by John Tondeur on Twitter. Hurst back on Blundell Park!
Is that 100% confirmed? No dodgy rumour?
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I think it’s easy to remember Hurst for some of the more negative factors in his reign.
I hated the cupping of the ear. As someone who didn’t abuse him at games it was difficult to take at what should have been a moment of pure joy for all at GTFC.
He was a difficult manager to warm to and at times it felt like we lost quite a number of points from adopting a negative, hold what we have approach at the end of games we should have won.
That said, his football was disciplined rather than negative. He liked his wingers (Arnold), he didn’t mind flair players (Neilson) and he made good use of a big centre forward who could hold up the ball (LJL), and boy do we need one of those now.
I often struggled to get excited watching his town teams, but then I always found it difficult to be up for playing the likes of Hayes and Yeading having seen Town in the higher leagues for many years. I think we could have won every game 6-0 with fast flowing football and I still would have been underwhelmed!
Right now I think he’s exactly what we need to ensure we don’t go down - which has to be the short term priority.
Forget the not going back argument, this appointment would make sound footballing sense and as Town fans we all now need to forget the past and keep looking forwards.
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Is that 100% confirmed? No dodgy rumour?
tondeur only tweeted that hurst was at b.p. , nothing more.however that lad on twitter who's usually bang on says it'll be confirmed in next day or 2. one question to come out is whether Josh Gowling was there scouting in his role as Hereford player manager or whether he might be Hurst's assistant
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To be fair to Hurst he gave an interview whilst scunny manager which was interesting and fair and he was surprisingly praising of town fans considering he was scunny manager. He didn't have to do the interview or say those things and I am sure it would have put a few heckles up amongst the scunny faithful.
I recall having an improved view of him after listening
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tondeur only tweeted that hurst was at b.p. , nothing more.however that lad on twitter who's usually bang on says it'll be confirmed in next day or 2. one question to come out is whether Josh Gowling was there scouting in his role as Hereford player manager or whether he might be Hurst's assistant
I’m not sure Josh would be there scouting unless Hurst has already started and asked him to look at some of the lads we need to get out on loan, if that’s the case though how would they know who Ben would pick? If Hurst does come back and bring in the likes of Gowling that would be a good thing as Josh’s authenticity, energy, intelligence and positivity would give the place a real lift.
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There’s a picture of him there on the Telegraph website.
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Will probably be absolutely fine if a quarter of the fan base don't sit around moaning about him cupping his ear and leaving us for Shrewsbury all the flipping time.
Cupping the ear lacked class really, he had the chance to rise above it and let the promotion shut his critics up. On the whole I thought he was unfairly criticised. He didn't have the biggest budget and the anger of the fans was really stoked by a massive fall from grace and year after year of mismanagement of the club. There would be one or two others I'd prefer - but I doubt they'd come. I think he's as good as we'll get in our present situation.
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29% don’t want the only manager that has brought us sustained challenging and success. You couldn’t make this crap up.
They’ll be on the consortiums backs from day one for choosing what they think is another gash manager 😂😂
Can’t wait to see him back in the hot seat and it was wonderful to know he was back at Blundell Park tonight.
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Was Josh Gowling there too? If he was, only logical reason is he's already agreed to be Hurst's numero two.
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Done deal according to my contact.
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Was Josh Gowling there too? If he was, only logical reason is he's already agreed to be Hurst's numero two.
Or another centre-half 😁
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Be interested to know which 8/9 players he has up his sleeve.
Side is dreadful, massive change needed
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Was Josh Gowling there too? If he was, only logical reason is he's already agreed to be Hurst's numero two.
Yes I wondered that too, unless he was there to have a look at players that might be released this window and might do a job for Hereford.
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Yes I wondered that too, unless he was there to have a look at players that might be released this window and might do a job for Hereford.
He will have left disappointed then
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Cupping the ear lacked class really, he had the chance to rise above it and let the promotion shut his critics up.
On the whole I thought he was unfairly criticised. He didn't have the biggest budget and the anger of the fans was really stoked by a massive fall from grace and war after year of mismanagement of the club.
I think he's as good as we'll get in our present situation.
I'm 50-50 on this one. A) We have new owners and a new history to make. We can have a complete clean sweep, and chance for fresh blood with new ideas and contacts. B) We are very close to relagation places with a poor squad, I would trust Hurst to bring in some quality players to stop the rot and avoid the drop. Going with my heart I would say no. Going with my head I would say yes.
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Think the cupped ear was purely the massive relief after all the pressure he was under. I can give him a pass on that whole incident as he bought us one of the finest squads we have had in literally a decade and of course the coveted promotion. We need a trusted steady at the wheel at this time of change for the club so I think he is a pretty decent appointment honestly. Welcome back Paul!
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Yes, I listened to Hurst's comments at the time when Scunny manager. He (unsolictedly and surprisingly) said nice things about Town fans.
Maybe he was thinking longterm and laying the ground for a return to BP?
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29% don’t want the only manager that has brought us sustained challenging and success. You couldn’t make this crap up.
They’ll be on the consortiums backs from day one for choosing what they think is another gash manager 😂😂
Can’t wait to see him back in the hot seat and it was wonderful to know he was back at Blundell Park tonight.
Yesterdays Felipe would not have used the term 'gash'. Just outed yourself as a sub Yoda/ Boris troll.
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Good appointment if confirmed and a decisive appointment. Always seems to take ages for town to appoint a manager so this would be nice and proactive.
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Fair enough if people prefer other managers but whatever happens just please get over the ear-cupping. Stop being such snowflakes.
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Hurst is badly needed - but he has a very large job ahead of him in the most difficult of the two windows in a season. Oldham were, with the exception of 1 or 2 players, very poor today.
Oh... and by the way, I thought Grimsby men were tough guys, descendents of fishermen and vikings, so I just can`t believe that much talked about "cupping of his ears thing" should bring people to a nervous breakdown. That`s nothing to be concerned of at all. Toughen up, guys, I expect more from you.
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Yes, I listened to Hurst's comments at the time when Scunny manager. He (unsolictedly and surprisingly) said nice things about Town fans.
Maybe he was thinking longterm and laying the ground for a return to BP?
Maybe he was also feeling nostalgic about packed away ends...
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FFS, not the cupped ear again. I wasn't a fan of Hurst and the cupped ear thing didn't bother me at all, I was too busy celebrating. It was clearly aimed at the knuckle draggers who kept giving him a hard time.
As I said on another thread, we have had 6 managers and 4 assistants since we got back in the league, and a bit of stability is what we need right now. I bet he has players lined up already.
There is loads of the season left for him to get us moving in the right direction.
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Not my dream appointment, but he will bring in some quality players if given the funds, and get the team fit and organised.
I think he can keep us up. Won't be easy though. And wont be pretty either. But his 2016 team would urine all over our current crew.
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[quote=799I bet he has players lined up already.
I hope he has some ready to come in and play on Saturday, although will football be shut down for two weeks given what’s happening nationwide, especially as it is now affecting the Premiership so will be taken more seriously.
Listened to Ben Davies after the game and it appears we’re still interested in signing the Frenchman even though he’s yet another who is not match fit and I think we have had enough of those signings for one season.
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He can cup his ear every week for all I care lol. What league position was we when Hurst left?
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FFS, not the cupped ear again. I wasn't a fan of Hurst and the cupped ear thing didn't bother me at all, I was too busy celebrating. It was clearly aimed at the knuckle draggers who kept giving him a hard time.
As I said on another thread, we have had 6 managers and 4 assistants since we got back in the league, and a bit of stability is what we need right now. I bet he has players lined up already.
There is loads of the season left for him to get us moving in the right direction.
I think it’s okay to be bothered by the cupped ear moment, as when he did it he did it to 15k celebrating Town fans, not the knuckle draggers you mentioned. Imho a misjudgement on his behalf, albeit a reflection of how badly he felt he’d been treated by some. It isn’t, however, a reason to not want him back and to be prepared to start the whole thing oven again. I’d go so far as to say we need him more now than he needs us, although the truth is it’s mutually beneficial for both.
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I think it’s okay to be bothered by the cupped ear moment, as when he did it he did it to 15k celebrating Town fans, not the knuckle draggers you mentioned. Imho a misjudgement on his behalf, albeit a reflection of how badly he felt he’d been treated by some.
It isn’t, however, a reason to not want him back and to be prepared to start the whole thing oven again. I’d go so far as to say we need him more now than he needs us, although the truth is it’s mutually beneficial for both.
Yeah, fair comment.
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He can cup his ear every week for all I care lol. What league position was we when Hurst left?
He can cup his balderdash for all I care if he keeps us up.
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I've not posted for ages but think this is worth my two penneth.
As a relative youth, Hurst is the only manager who has achieved anything that resembles anything remotely "successful" in my memory. I won't pretend he's some messianic figure but he did sign some very good players for that level and did eventually get us up. He has his limitations, it did often seem like he struggled for an alternative when we couldn't break the likes of Southport, Altrincham, or Boreham Wood down at home but I enjoyed pretty much all my best away days under Hurst.
This scenario probably suits his fundamentally conservative approach better than having a top 5-6 budget and trying to get us promoted from the Conference. He will make us solid. McKeown, Hendrie, Waterfall, and Pollock probably already suit what he'll try and do, less convinced vis a vis Preston. He's going to have to try and sign some better attacking players whatever because we have next to no threat at the top end of the pitch, the midfield is all a bit wishy-washy too, I can't see Kyle Bennett having much of a future under him.
One thing that was beyond reproach was his ability to spot a player. Players like Nolan and Amond hadn't set the world alight anywhere before they turned up here but then won us promotion. Also, he tried to sign Bogle the year before we did when nobody else had heard of him and had the foresight to give him a 3yr deal so we made some cash out of him.
Who knows if a potentially "cooling off" period for the EFL may benefit us, give us some opportunity to drill us into some decent shape, and identify some attacking targets. There's also a big unknown at play. We never really got an opportunity to judge Hurst in the league as he left so quickly and we will also now find out just how much of a limiting factor JF was.
Certainly planning for a more positive 2021.
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Bloody hell, the people that still go on about the ear cupping The man is basically the only successful manager we've had in two decades, and while we do admittedly have a habit of going back to managers, he suits the situation we're in. 100% behind this.
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just had a look who he signed for Shrews -
loanees included ,dean henderson and daniel james, both at moan u, ben godfrey now at everton and max lowe now at sheff u, & tyler roberts (leeds)
you can't deny he can spot a good player!
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his first job is to ship out the excrement
all loanees can be sent back. others that can go
Clifton Rose Tilley Scannell
Essentially any Holloway signing can be shown the door.
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his first job is to ship out the excrement
all loanees can be sent back. others that can go
Clifton Rose Tilley Scannell
Essentially any Holloway signing can be shown the door.
Unfortunately the only players I rate in the current squad is, Waterfall, Pollock, Scannell when fit, Wright when fit, Hanson when fit and possibly Morais, how sad is that. Just my opinion though.
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Yes, I listened to Hurst's comments at the time when Scunny manager. He (unsolictedly and surprisingly) said nice things about Town fans.
Maybe he was thinking longterm and laying the ground for a return to BP?
He was probably thinking ‘it’d be nice to be somewhere where there would be more fans than the handful we get here at Scunny’.
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Unfortunately the only players I rate in the current squad is, Waterfall, Pollock, Scannell when fit, Wright when fit, Hanson when fit and possibly Morais, how sad is that.
Just my opinion though.
Agreed, perhaps Edwards due to his pure pace (and evident skill) if he had the right coaching to build some confidence. And maybe Ira Jackson?
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I think Hurst could get the team playing well. We have a good backbone of players that will suit him, Waterfall, Pollock, Hewitt, Hendry, Clifton, Wright, Scannel, Morais, Mckeown, Edwards. With some additions Hurst will fairly quickly get them playing well together I feel. It could be an interesting second half of the season I think. Only my opinion of course, but whatever happens it’s got to be a huge improvement on and off the field. Exciting times ahead. UTM!!
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Hurst was unlucky with Liam Hearn being injured pre season, and then the next season as well. You just cannot legislate for that sort of bad luck. Had he stayed fit, I am sure we would be looking back more favourably on Hurst.
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I'm not surprised that the imminent re-appointment of Paul Hurst has provoked the extent of debate seen in this thread. But in our present predicament, I can only think of one other manager who I would be as keen to have in our dugout. Hurst's teams may not play the most attractive football in the world, but they are disciplined, well organised and difficult to beat - things that we very much haven't been of late.
Far too much has been made, in my opinion, of certain flashpoints during his previous spell with us and far too little of what he achieved. Very few teams are consistent enough to reach playoff positions in four successive seasons, whatever the level. His were. Of those, even fewer actually manage to get the job of promotion done. His Town team did and I, for one, will always be grateful for that and I would argue that the remarkable transformation that he oversaw at Shrewsbury demonstrates just what a capable manager he is.
Other posters have referred to his spells at Ipswich and Scunthorpe. Personally, they don't worry me. I felt Ipswich was the wrong, but understandable, move for him at the time and said as much to Suffolk-based colleagues. I just felt that a dour plain-speaking Yorkshireman replacing a dour plain-speaking Yorkshireman was never going to work and there would be a demand for change if things started badly, as they did. Regarding Scunthorpe, I just don't think he had enough time to sort things out there. At this level, with the right backing, I'm confident Hurst will get us going the right way.
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Unfortunately the only players I rate in the current squad is, Waterfall, Pollock, Scannell when fit, Wright when fit, Hanson when fit and possibly Morais, how sad is that.
Just my opinion though.
I can't see Scannell ever being fit, as for Morais I think he is weeks away from being match fit. We don't have weeks to wait.
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Clifton is a decent footballer. The way we play doesn't suit him as it wouldn't anyone who's decent with their feet and playing football the proper way.
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I'm not surprised that the imminent re-appointment of Paul Hurst has provoked the extent of debate seen in this thread. But in our present predicament, I can only think of one other manager who I would be as keen to have in our dugout. Hurst's teams may not play the most attractive football in the world, but they are disciplined, well organised and difficult to beat - things that we very much haven't been of late.
Far too much has been made, in my opinion, of certain flashpoints during his previous spell with us and far too little of what he achieved. Very few teams are consistent enough to reach playoff positions in four successive seasons, whatever the level. His were. Of those, even fewer actually manage to get the job of promotion done. His Town team did and I, for one, will always be grateful for that and I would argue that the remarkable transformation that he oversaw at Shrewsbury demonstrates just what a capable manager he is.
Other posters have referred to his spells at Ipswich and Scunthorpe. Personally, they don't worry me. I felt Ipswich was the wrong, but understandable, move for him at the time and said as much to Suffolk-based colleagues. I just felt that a dour plain-speaking Yorkshireman replacing a dour plain-speaking Yorkshireman was never going to work and there would be a demand for change if things started badly, as they did. Regarding Scunthorpe, I just don't think he had enough time to sort things out there. At this level, with the right backing, I'm confident Hurst will get us going the right way.
This place consitently called for his sacking at the end of every season that we failed in the Conference, that aside this isnt a walk in the park for him to turn things around, We need plenty out the door by close of play tomorrow, and plenty in asap. Relegation is a distinct possibility. Lets hope the 3 wise monkey's and Hurst address the short term needs of keeping the club in the league. I have my doubts that the damage done by the worst manager in the club's histoty can be rectified.
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Unfortunately the only players I rate in the current squad is, Waterfall, Pollock, Scannell when fit, Wright when fit, Hanson when fit and possibly Morais, how sad is that.
Just my opinion though.
You've nailed it there, although I would add Hendrie and an in form McKeown to that list. Perhaps Edwards and Jackson as well. Hewitt can be sublime as well but like most they are capable of flashes of brilliance but a lack of consistency. Some of the young lads seem bright, Duncan Idehen has impressed on occasions but not really counting them as first team players yet. Immediately I would be sending all loan players home, other than maybe Edwards. Preston started really well for me but he has faded. Bennett is past it, Morton, Gomis and Taylor have vanished. It can't be good for their confidence to be loaned to a lower league club and rarely get considered for the match day squad, Let them go back and salvage their seasons. You've got to look to move Matt Green on realistically, I have defended him in the past and he has a had good experience playing in some of the League's above but at times its like playing with 10 men, I can't remember seeing a player go backwards so quick and yet still pretty much get picked week in week out. Of all the strikers we have and our joint top scorers are a centre back, right back and a winger. Green has to take some kind of responsibility for that as he simply doesn't have it in him anymore. I would be looking to get loans out for the likes of Spokes, Touray Sisay and perhaps even Jackson. Ira has done great recently but we desperately need goal scorers and if this is going to drastically reduce his playing time then I would want him to keep playing as much as possible other than for the reserves. Big questions for me would loom over Montel Gibson. He has something in his locker, but I think at the moment his locker is about as big as the dock tower. Frustrating to think he was prolific last year albeit at Halesowen Town. I can't see Scannell staying much longer, injury or no injury. It's easy to see the guy has class and is a cut above the rest when fit, but the lack of fitness in key players like him and Hanson has cost us this season as we have been heavily reliant on others who just aren't up to scratch. Either way, Hurst or not he's gonna have to buy like a 6 year old emptying a chest of toys as soon as he gets in.
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I think Hurst could get the team playing well. We have a good backbone of players that will suit him, Waterfall, Pollock, Hewitt, Hendry, Clifton, Wright, Scannel, Morais, Mckeown, Edwards. With some additions Hurst will fairly quickly get them playing well together I feel. It could be an interesting second half of the season I think. Only my opinion of course, but whatever happens it’s got to be a huge improvement on and off the field. Exciting times ahead. UTM!!
I never had a massive issue with Hurst, granted it took him a while to take us up, probably longer than it should have done seeing as he had some decent players with him who had gone by the time we got out (Hearn etc) He's not very loud or brash talkative manager, he is quite a reserved guy but plenty have praised him and the way he works as recent as last night Ben Davies described him as "different class" and this is a man who has just done a year with an "ex Premier League manager" who's name I will not mention. At the end of the day Hurst eventually took us up so for that alone he is permanently engrained in our history and we should all be grateful that he managed to pull us out of that League. When you listen to some of the horror stories surrounding Fenty refusing to cough up financially, shoestring budgets and not retaining players based on offering them poor contracts I think you start to realise what Hurst would have been up against to maintain a challenging side. I understood the frustration at times but I never got why there could be so much vitriol against the guy when year after year he was putting a shift in trying to get us out that league. I still don't understand the negativity, people are saying don't go back and are bringing up Buckley's third tenure and Slade's second, but I suppose Hurst has a reputation of steadying ships when he's given the wiggle room to do so. He was a huge success at Shrewsbury, and yes Ipswich was maybe a bit too much to chew for him but his time at Scunthorpe was heavily curtailed by the micro management of the chairman who in fact isn't all that far away from Fenty in many ways. Hurst or no Hurst, the situation we are in our next manager needs our full support.
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i'm confused at a lot of people on this thread
Move forward, not backwards? - He left when we was 8th, 1 point off the play-offs .... never been near them since He joined Shrewsbury bottom, 6 points from safety in October, made the play off final the season after - They've been bottom half since
He was made to lose key players, because of above him, and that's why he left a team challenge at the top half to join a team BOTTOM of the league above!
He's a great choice for the new guys: They need someone quick - Hurst is unemployed They need someone who knows the club quickly - Hurst has been here before January is fast coming up - Hurst has a wealth of knowledge in this league for transfers, and plenty of contacts.
I don't fully expect a big haul of player changes in January, but i expect enough to keep us safe.
From then, with the backing, we could go far with him 100%
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i'm confused at a lot of people on this thread
Move forward, not backwards? - He left when we was 8th, 1 point off the play-offs .... never been near them since He joined Shrewsbury bottom, 6 points from safety in October, made the play off final the season after - They've been bottom half since
He was made to lose key players, because of above him, and that's why he left a team challenge at the top half to join a team BOTTOM of the league above!
He's a great choice for the new guys: They need someone quick - Hurst is unemployed They need someone who knows the club quickly - Hurst has been here before January is fast coming up - Hurst has a wealth of knowledge in this league for transfers, and plenty of contacts.
I don't fully expect a big haul of player changes in January, but i expect enough to keep us safe.
From then, with the backing, we could go far with him 100%
This !!
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I think the context of Hurst's achievements should be viewed more favourably now we have a bit more information about the circumstances he was up against. You only have to look at what Fenty would allow him to offer a 37 goal a season striker to see that the budgets were shite given the size of our club at the level we were playing. On top of that the broken promises such as a strength and conditioning coach. It's a minor miracle he got us in to the play offs every season.
Welcome back Paul, you've got a big job ahead of you.
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Surely his first priority will be a strength and conditioning coach?
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I would imagine PH will look back at his time here and agree that he made mistakes. Well blow me down, expectations were sky high, pressure was immense, best away support in the conference at every game etc. etc. Has anyone else on here done something they don't look back on with great pride? It's life, learn and go again Lest we forget he was working for JF all that time, not the future regime
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As folk said at the time, some of those players that left didn’t leave because of Hurst or Hurst failing to attract/keep them....many were shot down for this.
People woke up and began to see the reality; if Hurst had been given a chance to keep much of that squad together perhaps we’d be sat in a very different position. However, what is clear now is the board/owner reverted back to type and normal service seemingly resumed.
Hurst got annoyed, he was offered a better deal elsewhere and he took it. Nobody can blame him for that. As we find out more revelations about how staff have been treated, the way the club was run and so on it’s even more understandable and makes you wonder how we attacked players and indeed managers in the first place.
Sometimes it’s best to leave well alone and move forward but at a club where the second coming of the Lord proved so fruitful it is understandable why people would want Hurst back. Yes, there’s a few that didn’t like that fact he called some fans out, rightfully so in all fairness and people may point to the dour press conferences and sometimes overly pragmatic football but, and it’s a big but, we did win games, we did have a system, even a style. Players clearly bought in and the fans were connected to the side. Something that’s missing completely. Blame Covid, blame empty stadiums but aside from probably Macca, Waterfall, Hendrie, Clifton and probably Pollock these players are anonymous, I wouldn’t recognise them if they walked down the street. It often feels like they’re going through the motions and little else.
Hurst returning would likely please more fans than people think and may provide some stability. There are some alternative suggestions out there but it’s whether or not they’re interested or in a personal position to take up work.
Whoever it is will naturally get the support of the fans, Christ, Holloway arriving was a saint arriving, even though, in truth he was flipping woeful fans still supported him. This are big times for the club and there will be big changes, there will be subtle, small changes. There will be things people don’t like (we know folk are averse to change) and there will be things long overdue, the manager and players will be part of that. The key thing this time is having a manager with a shared vision and ethos, top to bottom, and a clear idea of just what our ambition as a club and as a team is. We haven’t had that for at least 16 years.
People said Hurst was out of order when he said we’d been spoilt (I mean it was taken out of context but people ignore that) but in reality he wasn’t far from the truth and his own reign, in comparison did spoil us...
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i'm confused at a lot of people on this thread
Move forward, not backwards? - He left when we was 8th, 1 point off the play-offs .... never been near them since He joined Shrewsbury bottom, 6 points from safety in October, made the play off final the season after - They've been bottom half since
He was made to lose key players, because of above him, and that's why he left a team challenge at the top half to join a team BOTTOM of the league above!
He's a great choice for the new guys: They need someone quick - Hurst is unemployed They need someone who knows the club quickly - Hurst has been here before January is fast coming up - Hurst has a wealth of knowledge in this league for transfers, and plenty of contacts.
I don't fully expect a big haul of player changes in January, but i expect enough to keep us safe.
From then, with the backing, we could go far with him 100%
In 100% agreement.
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The amount of shite we have seen lately getting Paul Hurst would be a godsend.
A man who actually has a proven track record and is known for his good close relationships with players, plus has Unfinished business here.
7 years at grimsby previously so he knows what we are like, yes we are a bit fickle but Hurst is a bit fickle too we are meant to be together.
Yes please HURST IN!!
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i'm confused at a lot of people on this thread
Move forward, not backwards? - He left when we was 8th, 1 point off the play-offs .... never been near them since He joined Shrewsbury bottom, 6 points from safety in October, made the play off final the season after - They've been bottom half since
He was made to lose key players, because of above him, and that's why he left a team challenge at the top half to join a team BOTTOM of the league above!
He's a great choice for the new guys: They need someone quick - Hurst is unemployed They need someone who knows the club quickly - Hurst has been here before January is fast coming up - Hurst has a wealth of knowledge in this league for transfers, and plenty of contacts.
I don't fully expect a big haul of player changes in January, but i expect enough to keep us safe.
From then, with the backing, we could go far with him 100%
Instead of looking at the season he left, I remember the previous seasons he was here with a decent budget for non-league when his sides were unable to turn over the pub sides in the bottom of the conference. Every manager in that division knew if you parked the bus on a Hurst side they were guaranteed a point at least. We eventually crawled out of that league only when his favourite left winger was injured and the Big Bang tactic had to be altered. For most of the time he was no better than Neil Woods had been. I accept the problems of his final season but he left, he wasn’t sacked, he negotiated a new job on the quiet while he was at BP just as he did 18 months later at Shrewsbury. Who is to say what he might do again if he feels slighted again because he is not getting his own way? If he is appointed, as looks likely now, I will not stop supporting Town but will be disappointed that people are so selective in memory and are not looking far enough ahead. If Hurst is manager we will survive but beyond that ......?
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Not sure if this sets the record straight or not, but it’s a timely reminder of things concerning Hurst/Amond.
The thing that confuses me about the Hurst / Amond situation, in light of the recent comments made by Amond in the Telegraph.
In his most recent comments in the Telegraph Podge laid the blame very firmly at the door of John Fenty and the board. Or at least that is how the Telegraph report it.
But some people have short memories and I don’t. This is a major inconsistency. Shortly after he left to go to Hartlepool, he told a different story. At that time he said that....
Hurst refused to deal with his agent. He wasn’t standing for that because what was the point of him having an agent if Hurst won’t deal with him.
He felt Hurst didn’t want him anymore and felt Hurst wasn’t sure he could cut it in the EFL. He felt that was why Hurst only offered him a 1 year contract without much improvement to £
That he joined Hartlepool for little or no more money that what Grimsby had been paying him.
It’s for this reason that I find his more recent statement difficult to reconcile against what he said at the time when all of this was happening.it’s a different story. There was no mention of the board, it was all centred around him not feeling wanted by the manager. I recall he even said the manager went on holiday and didn’t contact him. As he did himself.
I value Hurst highly and I’m delighted he’s back. Loved having Podge in the club too. I was gutted when both of them left.
I actually feel that with the lessons he’s learned since then, that we should get an even better Paul Hurst.
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But why did he leave? He left a club of similar size and stature...but one that had a plan...we did not...
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Instead of looking at the season he left, I remember the previous seasons he was here with a decent budget for non-league when his sides were unable to turn over the pub sides in the bottom of the conference. Every manager in that division knew if you parked the bus on a Hurst side they were guaranteed a point at least. We eventually crawled out of that league only when his favourite left winger was injured and the Big Bang tactic had to be altered. For most of the time he was no better than Neil Woods had been.
I accept the problems of his final season but he left, he wasn’t sacked, he negotiated a new job on the quiet while he was at BP just as he did 18 months later at Shrewsbury. Who is to say what he might do again if he feels slighted again because he is not getting his own way?
If he is appointed, as looks likely now, I will not stop supporting Town but will be disappointed that people are so selective in memory and are not looking far enough ahead. If Hurst is manager we will survive but beyond that ......?
Most of the time he was no better than Woods? That is an absolute nonsense.
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100% agree Ron.
We fluked our way out of the Conference. Semi Final luck, and Bogle's goal in the final, hit him in the face and went in.
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Instead of looking at the season he left, I remember the previous seasons he was here with a decent budget for non-league when his sides were unable to turn over the pub sides in the bottom of the conference. Every manager in that division knew if you parked the bus on a Hurst side they were guaranteed a point at least. We eventually crawled out of that league only when his favourite left winger was injured and the Big Bang tactic had to be altered. For most of the time he was no better than Neil Woods had been.
I accept the problems of his final season but he left, he wasn’t sacked, he negotiated a new job on the quiet while he was at BP just as he did 18 months later at Shrewsbury. Who is to say what he might do again if he feels slighted again because he is not getting his own way?
If he is appointed, as looks likely now, I will not stop supporting Town but will be disappointed that people are so selective in memory and are not looking far enough ahead. If Hurst is manager we will survive but beyond that ......?
Did we have a decent budget though?
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Irrelevant what he did in the past, he has to act and act now. We have not time to wait.
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Surely his first priority will be a strength and conditioning coach?
We have one Greg Howard
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Yeah teams knowing if you parked the bus you were guaranteed at least a point is why we finished top 5 for four seasons in a row.
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How did he keep Shrewsbury up in league 1. A team that was nailed on to be relegated
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Yeah teams knowing if you parked the bus you were guaranteed at least a point is why we finished top 5 for four seasons in a row.
And were the second top scorers in the league the season we went up.
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And were the second top scorers in the league the season we went up.
Only because of Monkhouse being injury prone or something though.
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Luck...it was all luck...
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100% agree Ron.
We fluked our way out of the Conference. Semi Final luck, and Bogle's goal in the final, hit him in the face and went in.
None of which will be recorded in the Rothmans Year Book (if they still do one) , what will be recorded is promoted as play off final winners 3 - 1 verses FGR, why? Because that was all that mattered. Or if you want to put it the other was it could be argued we where robbed the previous year as the Brizzle keeper should have been sent off.
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Most of the time he was no better than Woods? That is an absolute nonsense.
Going back to this, I genuinely can't believe I've read somebody claiming that Hurst was no better than Woods "most of the time". Hurst left us with a near enough 50% win percentage which is some going. To put that in to context here are the win percentages of the other managers we've had since 2009: Ian Holloway: 28.9% Michael Jolley: 36.7% Russell Slade 25.6% Marcus Bignot 33.3% And the funniest one when thinking about the comparison made is Neil Woods: 16.8%. Even Danny Cowley's win percentage at Lincoln, their best ever manager to date, was 53%, not much higher than Hurst's. The football may have been pragmatic at times although I'd take his football over anything we've seen since our return to the FL. He may have been dour in a lot of his interviews. And yes, he cupped his ear at the fans. But lets not try to rewrite history and make out he didn't do consistently well for us. Not brilliant but he had us being consistently solid and winning far more than we lost which frankly given how crap we are right now, I'd bite your hand off for.
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But he cupped his ear...he said we were spoiled...he didn’t tell us we’re all amazing fans...but but but...
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Hurst never blew smoke up the bottom of the club or fans. Never said how wonderful the main stand was or banged on about Bill Shankly and Lawrie Mac. But he got us organised, made good signings and conducted himself with a calm decency. Works for me at the moment.
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If our league position were different I would support the club talking their time and looking for a long term appointment that complimented the future direction and ethos of the club. However, this season there is only requirement, one ambition, one goal and that is to stay in the league.
Given what Hurst delivered first time around, and in particular what he achieved at Shrewsbury, I am more than comfortable with his appointment. I expect that the current and future owners of the club have both contributed to this appointment and I would hope that the consortium have also had chance to convince themselves that Hurst is the man to deliver their vision going forward, however, even if he is not that man he is as stated probably the man to keep us up.
Alternatives seem to be Graham Alexander, similar to Hurst in charisma and style, Paul Cook, would guess he now sees himself as a League 1 manager as a minimum or our beloved enemies the Cowleys. Personally I thought the project I am expecting the consortium to put in place might have appealed to the Cowleys but they like Cook May think they are now above this level and whilst their football is not always easy on the eye they are winners and that’s what we need.
So given these factors looks like Hurst is our best option and his style of football is to me irrelevant as winning matches is what we need however that is achieved and with his appointment I would be far more confident of achieving those aforementioned objectives and staying up.
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But he cupped his ear...he said we were spoiled...he didn’t tell us we’re all amazing fans...but but but...
I’ll start this by saying I want Hurst, but posts like this seek to dumb down supporters who have a point on Hurst. It’s a false narrative to suggest it was all off the pitch as to why people don’t want Hurst. During his time with us and after it, Hurst has been beaten in almost every single final he’s ever taken part in, his time with us was mixed with decent results and appalling ones. He’s then gone on to Shrewsbury where he’s done well (whilst mucking it up after Jan which I’ll come onto) then 2 absolute car crashes at Ipswich and Scunny. He was minutes away from losing his job with us as well after Braintree away. I always hear how good Hurst was at spotting players, but for every Amond there was 3 Hobans, let’s not forget the complete shite we signed and a lot of that came in January. We’re also forgetting that he regularly broke up the Amond and Bogle partnership during the season despite them flying. Almost every season with Hurst we regressed in January, we shut up shop and didn’t press to win the league when twice we had the chance. The season where we went up, we almost dropped out of the play offs completely, it was absolutely dreadful post January. This pattern continued at Shrewsbury he did amazingly well to get them there then made the same mistake again and they lost in the playoffs (again). I’m still utterly convinced we were an Andy Monkhouse injury from not going up and Hurst losing his job, something that nobody would’ve had any complaints about. I want Hurst, I think he’ll steady a ship but let’s not pretend his time here was amazing and all those who say otherwise are only saying it because ‘he cupped his ear’.
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Instead of looking at the season he left, I remember the previous seasons he was here with a decent budget for non-league when his sides were unable to turn over the pub sides in the bottom of the conference. Every manager in that division knew if you parked the bus on a Hurst side they were guaranteed a point at least. We eventually crawled out of that league only when his favourite left winger was injured and the Big Bang tactic had to be altered. For most of the time he was no better than Neil Woods had been.
I accept the problems of his final season but he left, he wasn’t sacked, he negotiated a new job on the quiet while he was at BP just as he did 18 months later at Shrewsbury. Who is to say what he might do again if he feels slighted again because he is not getting his own way?
If he is appointed, as looks likely now, I will not stop supporting Town but will be disappointed that people are so selective in memory and are not looking far enough ahead. If Hurst is manager we will survive but beyond that ......?
Oh come on! Neil Woods? seriously? He gave us the most miserable season in my 35 years supporting Town. Don't get me wrong I absolutely loved Woodsy as a player, likewise he seems to work well with the youngsters but it was well documented the players didn't take to him or like him. Two players of his 2009/10 squad have since spoken out about him, granted neither will be fondly remembered but Barry Conlon called him "clueless" and Paul Linwood in a podcast interview said after sacking Newell none of the players took to Woods or his tactics. He also didn't win a single game of his 6 game tenure as Caretaker boss and took over 20 games to get his first win, most of who we signed in our first year in Non-League left a lot to be desired (Lewis Gobern, Kenny Arthur, Charles Ademeno, Serge Makofo, Dwayne Samuels, Scott Garner etc) and fundamentally we were mid table when he got sacked. So a little, if not very extreme to compare Woods to Hurst. Not saying Hurst didn't make mistakes or make a few dud signings, but I think Woods sticks out for me as the worst Town manager in my lifetime....and thats next to Nicky Law, Mike Newell, Russell Slade's second tenure and Holloway.
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100% agree Ron.
We fluked our way out of the Conference. Semi Final luck, and Bogle's goal in the final, hit him in the face and went in.
It didn't actually (that was the Shop the previous year) The first goal against FGR (I refuse to call it Bogle's - it was an own goal) was a header from Bogle that was going across the 6 yard box not even in the direction of the goal and it hit the FGR bloke and changed direction into the net
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Going back to this, I genuinely can't believe I've read somebody claiming that Hurst was no better than Woods "most of the time". Hurst left us with a near enough 50% win percentage which is some going. To put that in to context here are the win percentages of the other managers we've had since 2009:
Ian Holloway: 28.9% Michael Jolley: 36.7% Russell Slade 25.6% Marcus Bignot 33.3% And the funniest one when thinking about the comparison made is Neil Woods: 16.8%.
Even Danny Cowley's win percentage at Lincoln, their best ever manager to date, was 53%, not much higher than Hurst's.
The football may have been pragmatic at times although I'd take his football over anything we've seen since our return to the FL. He may have been dour in a lot of his interviews. And yes, he cupped his ear at the fans. But lets not try to rewrite history and make out he didn't do consistently well for us. Not brilliant but he had us being consistently solid and winning far more than we lost which frankly given how crap we are right now, I'd bite your hand off for.
Can't argue with those percentages although most of Hurst's were in non-league I just hope no one is going to start moaning about the style of football Hurst is churning out and how unattractive and totally lacking in entertainment it is, you can'y have it both ways
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Surely his first priority will be a strength and conditioning coach?
Is urine myself if he announced that at his first press conference.
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Can't argue with those percentages although most of Hurst's were in non-league
I just hope no one is going to start moaning about the style of football Hurst is churning out and how unattractive and totally lacking in entertainment it is, you can'y have it both ways
Yes they were mostly in non-league(but just over half of Woods' were too). But you only have to look at the accounts from each season to see that the budget reflected the league we were in, it went up substantially in the first season back in the league and we were doing fairly well under him. I'm not sure we'd have made the play offs but we'd have been there or thereabouts. As for the style, anything is better than Holloway's knocking it aimlessly around our own defensive third before the inevitable fcuk up gifting the opposition a goal.
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Well its no good asking me about managers as I have agreed with the appointment of each one, except Graham Rodger and more importantly Woods.
However, as I have said many times over the years have you noticed that every manager comes in wide-eyed, full of optimism and hope with great plans, and then just a few months in you can see them accept the reality that the club was not geared up in any way shape or form for success? The deadweight that was Fenty soon had a negative impact.
Well done Hurst for the one to stick it out longest, and he was the one under the most pressure.
At this precise moment we need a Hurst type manager. I am sure the Consortium will feel it is a safe choice as their first appointment and of course the very first thing on their agenda is to get us safe. If they have a competitive(!) budget ready to go that will be great.
The future is for another time, but first things first. Watching last nights match, the team needs an urgent overhaul as some players are just going through the motions so we cannot waste any more time on those so we need experienced pros who can come in and perform straight away, and I am sure if he has the money to attract them Hurst will be able to bring them in.
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Is urine myself if he announced that at his first press conference.
I hope he trolls the intercourse out of the club...”I couldn’t pass up the chance to work at GTFC again, the new owners are computer literate and they’ve provided me with a strength and conditioning coach; it may not win us games but I really want one...”
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It didn't actually (that was the Shop the previous year) The first goal against FGR (I refuse to call it Bogle's - it was an own goal) was a header from Bogle that was going across the 6 yard box not even in the direction of the goal and it hit the FGR bloke and changed direction into the net
You've gone on about this before. It was clearly an own goal but who honestly gives a flying intercourse?
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You've gone on about this before. It was clearly an own goal but who honestly gives a flying intercourse?
A bit like moaning that Nolan didn’t put the ball in the corner and played in Hoburn... Don’t hear many Man Utd fans talk about Bayern absolutely playing them off off the park in 1999...
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There is a reason he is available, he is utter shite and no one else wants him. Why should we employ unwanted shite?
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December 30, 2020, 10:22am |
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I’ll start this by saying I want Hurst, but posts like this seek to dumb down supporters who have a point on Hurst. It’s a false narrative to suggest it was all off the pitch as to why people don’t want Hurst.
During his time with us and after it, Hurst has been beaten in almost every single final he’s ever taken part in, his time with us was mixed with decent results and appalling ones. He’s then gone on to Shrewsbury where he’s done well (whilst mucking it up after Jan which I’ll come onto) then 2 absolute car crashes at Ipswich and Scunny. He was minutes away from losing his job with us as well after Braintree away.
I always hear how good Hurst was at spotting players, but for every Amond there was 3 Hobans, let’s not forget the complete shite we signed and a lot of that came in January. We’re also forgetting that he regularly broke up the Amond and Bogle partnership during the season despite them flying. Almost every season with Hurst we regressed in January, we shut up shop and didn’t press to win the league when twice we had the chance. The season where we went up, we almost dropped out of the play offs completely, it was absolutely dreadful post January. This pattern continued at Shrewsbury he did amazingly well to get them there then made the same mistake again and they lost in the playoffs (again).
I’m still utterly convinced we were an Andy Monkhouse injury from not going up and Hurst losing his job, something that nobody would’ve had any complaints about.
I want Hurst, I think he’ll steady a ship but let’s not pretend his time here was amazing and all those who say otherwise are only saying it because ‘he cupped his ear’.
Excellent post. 2 months ago I'd have been dead set against Hurst returning. I could just about forgive the overly defensive approach to home matches, boring interviews and the Parslow subs - but letting Amond go was still an open wound. Having read Podge's account of his departure, I think I've been unfair to PH on this one. It seems the greater blame may be laid at the door of the tight-fistedness of you know who. I have little doubt that Hurst can do the job that needs doing at GTFC. "You don't always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need." Mick Jagger wrote that - so it must be true! So it's a nod from me, despite the reservations mentioned earlier. I agree with you about the Monkhouse injury - I remember thinking precisely that at the time. As for people getting upset at the ear-cupping...I think they're being a bit 'precious' tbh.
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Please note that Grimsby Town Football Club already has a strength and conditioning coach called Greg Howard
The best one Holloway has ever worked with apparently
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December 30, 2020, 10:29am |
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A bit like moaning that Nolan didn’t put the ball in the corner and played in Hoburn...
Don’t hear many Man Utd fans talk about Bayern absolutely playing them off off the park in 1999...
Nolan was some player... Remember Lincoln fans laughing saying he clearly not good enough for them when we signed him....
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December 30, 2020, 10:31am |
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There is a reason he is available, he is utter shite and no one else wants him. Why should we employ unwanted shite?
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December 30, 2020, 10:31am |
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You've gone on about this before. It was clearly an own goal but who honestly gives a flying intercourse?
HertsGTFC for a start, he's still wobbling on about the Bristol Rovers goalkeeper
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Yeah teams knowing if you parked the bus you were guaranteed at least a point is why we finished top 5 for four seasons in a row.
Slow learner then wasn’t he? Look, we will have Hurst and Hurst will do us team a good job. He will keep us up. I am happy to support that, I just get p1ssed off with some people thinking he was/is some sort of genius. If he was he would be at Bradford or somewhere ........ anywhere apart from BP.
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December 30, 2020, 10:53am |
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I am 100% behind the appointment of Paul Hurst, if and when it is confirmed. One thing that interests me about this appointment is that either the new owners are well versed in football matters, or took advice from someone else who was able to recognise what type of manager was required for the present situation.
I was never one of the 'ear cupping' brigade, he just got us promoted.
Welcome back Paul Hurst, good luck with the rest of the season and UTMM!
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looking in from the outside and new to the site ,why dont you all club together ,break the bank and bring in tony pull this , he,s a free agent now ..
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December 30, 2020, 11:09am |
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Not wishing to put a dampner on either view maybe after watching the side last night he may think it's beyond saving, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't want to take the risk as there is a f**k load to do and it needs to be done quickly. .
He may or may not be in the running but he might just fancy throwing his hat into the ring at the last minute for the Burton job.
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December 30, 2020, 11:36am |
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Can't argue with those percentages although most of Hurst's were in non-league
I just hope no one is going to start moaning about the style of football Hurst is churning out and how unattractive and totally lacking in entertainment it is, you can'y have it both ways
We could get Guardiola in and he wouldn’t be able to get this lot playing pretty football. The only way I see us getting out of this mess is by grinding out ugly defeats, and Hurst will be good for that. Style of play really isn’t a consideration right now, surviving is. Anyone who’s concerned with playing style needs a reality check.
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December 30, 2020, 11:40am |
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Slow learner then wasn’t he? Look, we will have Hurst and Hurst will do us team a good job. He will keep us up. I am happy to support that, I just get p1ssed off with some people thinking he was/is some sort of genius. If he was he would be at Bradford or somewhere ........ anywhere apart from BP.
Literally nobody on here has suggested he is some sort of genius.
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December 30, 2020, 11:52am |
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could we now stop the moaning , Fentys gone, New owners in , new manager coming. Please turn the page over, theres a new chapter begining on the story of GTFC. look forward. UTMM.
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I’d be more than happy with Hurst purely on the basis that he wouldn’t feel the need to come in & do the nauseating blowing smoke up everyone’s arses that most managers and players do. Holloway took it to a new level.
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We could get Guardiola in and he wouldn’t be able to get this lot playing pretty football. The only way I see us getting out of this mess is by grinding out ugly defeats, and Hurst will be good for that. Style of play really isn’t a consideration right now, surviving is. Anyone who’s concerned with playing style needs a reality check.
There will be many moaning and groaning about the style of play within weeks I guarantee it
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December 30, 2020, 12:42pm |
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Quoted from 4055
could we now stop the moaning , Fentys gone, New owners in , new old manager coming. Please turn the page over, theres a new chapter begining on the story of GTFC. look forward. UTMM.
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December 30, 2020, 12:43pm |
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We’ve tried playing tippy tappy pretty football with Holloway this season and we have been diabolical. I just want to win some flipping games of football.
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December 30, 2020, 12:44pm |
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looking in from the outside and new to the site ,why dont you all club together ,break the bank and bring in tony pull this , he,s a free agent now ..
Don’t think he’ll be any better than Hurst. He might have managed at a higher level but he’ll have had better resources available and better players.
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December 30, 2020, 1:05pm |
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I would be delighted with Hurst as the manager Staunch Hurst fan through thick and thin ,Did wind me up with the air cupping incident I am not going to lie. In context I have wound people up all my life for a laugh Paul hurst was a really competent manager for us, He was often no charmer as was Mr. Buckley, Truly did not give a toss win a few games of football.Let’s face it after the shambles that that idiot Holloway left this will be hard enough. Paul Hurst’s black and white army, we start with probably the worst team in the football league, what a challenge. 3rd from bottom will do me nicely this season utm
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December 30, 2020, 1:09pm |
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There will be many moaning and groaning about the style of play within weeks I guarantee it
I don’t doubt it. There’s no cure for the ‘GRIMSBY’ disease
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December 30, 2020, 2:00pm |
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Amended for you
Smart a*se.
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When Hurst joined us he was relatively inexperienced as a manager and he was hampered by " Shouty" alongside him. Although it took him 6 season (?) to get us promoted , we don't know what financial constraints were put on him by JSF. We never had the largest budget in the non-league division and with only 1 guaranteed promotion place it is a difficult division to get promoted from. Once he got us promoted it was obvious that JSF wouldn't provide the necessary support structure that is a pre-requisite for the modern football league approach. Since he left us , although he has achieved no resounding successes, he has gained a wealth of experience at a higher level. I certainly think he could be the right manager at this moment in time with new owners to support him and JSF " leaving the building ". If he saves us from relegation then that alone would justify his appointment. UTM.
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When is Hurst being annouced then!
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December 30, 2020, 3:51pm |
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When is Hurst being announced then!
I doubt that anyone here knows the answer to that question.
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HertsGTFC for a start, he's still wobbling on about the Bristol Rovers goalkeeper
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In the last 3 years since Paul Hurst left we have done nothing, we are like the 'Titanic' at this precise moment. With new owners & a fresh start bearing in mind Paul Hurst has been to hell & back since he left, this could turn out to be a good move as he will have learnt an awful lot in those 3 years. Who else in their right mind would be interested in such a job given our players & league position. I am happy to give him and the new owners my full support.
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I'll take that!...he's got unfinished business and, fingers crossed, he can start to get a tune out off this awful squad we have!
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Quoted from Davec:- "When is Hurst being annouced then!."
From what I know I doubt Hurst will work under JF given their previous relationship. There is a lot to sort out before the sale goes through & I believe that could take some time. I suppose - if he is offered the job - there could be a proviso that - if he takes the job - & the deal falls through he could walk. Is he happy to work with the squad he has because with the club in limbo who is going to invest anything? Of course I know nothing & my thoughts could prove to be a load of twaddle. UTM.
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In the last 3 years since Paul Hurst left we have done nothing, we are like the 'Titanic' at this precise moment. With new owners & a fresh start bearing in mind Paul Hurst has been to hell & back since he left, this could turn out to be a good move as he will have learnt an awful lot in those 3 years. Who else in their right mind would be interested in such a job given our players & league position. I am happy to give him and the new owners my full support.
I don't get this sort of comment, there are plenty of former EFL managers out of work including PH who would likely give their right arm for a job back in the EFL and probably many very good Non League managers who would love a go at a League team.
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