Alan Rutter - Mariners Trust

Think this deserves a thread of its own so people don’t miss this.

Questionable at best and a worry that the Chair of the supposed supporters trust is coming out with nonsense like this. I would argue that the ‘benign’ loans have actually had the opposite effect and have held the club back and also and the prospect of future investment.

I would like the Trust to come out and distance itself from these comments and to consider if Alan Rutter is the right person to lead the trust at this moment.

Chair of the Mariners Trust:

'There is no doubt that John Fenty has put a lot of money into the club. Without his support over the years we would have been in a lot of bother,' points out Alan Rutter, chair of the Trust.

Link below:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sp.....buy-shares-club.html

I think he definitely needs to qualify his position on this, is he offering his own personal views or is he representing the trust membership.

Unacceptable

He should resign for the fact he engaged with the Daily Mail.

Quoted from davmariner

. Without his support over the years we would have been in a lot of bother,'

Don't see how anyone can deny this it's a fact, all the other faults he's guilty as charged maybe, but when cash was urgently needed the fans couldn't have bailed the club out

What do you expect of the trust all fenty supporters

Not sure how he ever became part of the Trust, he is an ex football intelligence officer who supports Leeds, both him and Terry Rudrum are yes men for the regime.

Alan Rutter has in the past praised and defended Fenty at fans forums so it is a concern that he is the chair of the mariners trust.

Is he going to be secretly advising Fenty not to sell?

How about I rewrite your comment for you Alan mate,

“ The Mariners Trust will not be making any comment in regard to any investment into the club until the current talks are over“

Quoted from Ipswin

Don't see how anyone can deny this it's a fact, all the other faults he's guilty as charged maybe, but when cash was urgently needed the fans couldn't have bailed the club out

And how much money has he blown through mistakes he’s made both in terms of managers, playing staff and on failed stadium vanity projects?

Always felt Rutter was a pal of Fenty. I think Bax had something to say about him based on his experience a few years back.

PS I wonder how soon we’ll hear or see the phrase “cancel culture” in respect to the reaction to Rutter’s comment.

The trust is becoming a laughing stock because the way its running itself
Having Rutter anywhere near it makes it a joke itself

Quoted from MrFisherman

The trust is becoming a laughing stock because the way its running itself
Having Rutter anywhere near it makes it a joke itself

To be fair, any member can stand for election to the Trust board. It m not aware of there ever being a contested election. I’m sure anyone who wants to campaign for radical change would get elected if they stood.

It has been mentioned on here that some fans are having problems trusting the Trust. I think that is true and I think the Trust acknowledge that. Think Rutter is part of the reason.

Quoted from Ipswin

Don't see how anyone can deny this it's a fact, all the other faults he's guilty as charged maybe, but when cash was urgently needed the fans couldn't have bailed the club out

Unfortunately his running of the club and decisions he has made has cost the club far more than he has put in.

Before the public hanging lets remember it was the Daily Mail and may have been out of context. Strictly speaking we would have been in trouble without JF's loans but guessing they didn't ask about his competence. It would be advisable to issue a clarifying statement given the current turmoil

Quoted from Ipswin

Don't see how anyone can deny this it's a fact, all the other faults he's guilty as charged maybe, but when cash was urgently needed the fans couldn't have bailed the club out

It’s a fact that he put money in, even more when we got relegated which lost us around £4 million revenue in 6 non league years. But, hey, at least he got a free ride round Dean Court on someone’s shoulders.

Possibly a half or misquote, it’s not clear if it is a personal or professional opinion or possible that he’s had a foot in mouth moment. What ever it is it needs clarifyig for the reason ginny states.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s a fact that he put money in, even more when we got relegated which lost us around £4 million revenue in 6 non league years. But, hey, at least he got a free ride round Dean Court on someone’s shoulders.

Not defending Mr Fenty at all, no one would be happier than me so see the back of him but I was always led to believe that we didn't actually lose money when we went into non league.
We just adjusted our budget accordingly.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Not defending Mr Fenty at all, no one would be happier than me so see the back of him but I was always led to believe that we didn't actually lose money when we went into non league.
We just adjusted our budget accordingly.

I did say revenue ie sales.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I did say revenue ie sales.

Fair point.

Quoted from LH

Possibly a half or misquote, it’s not clear if it is a personal or professional opinion or possible that he’s had a foot in mouth moment. What ever it is it needs clarifyig for the reason ginny states.

Expect clarity in due course.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Not defending Mr Fenty at all, no one would be happier than me so see the back of him but I was always led to believe that we didn't actually lose money when we went into non league.
We just adjusted our budget accordingly.

I was under the impression that a certain director said after the Burton game that we would lose £500,000 a season I assume from EFL funding, and didn't a recent post showing income in the years out of the League just about confirm that?

I was sat behind Alan Ritter at THAT fans forum. Any time Fenty received criticism Alan would shake his head from side to side, whenever John spoke he nodded like one of those Churchill dogs. He stood out to be honest and reminded me of a pupil wanting to impress his teacher! But it wasn’t until later I found out who he was. When I heard he was heading up the trust I realised then the trust would only be looking out for the best interests of one ‘fan’.

Quoted from LH

Expect clarity in due course.

...or not.

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Quoted from LH

...or not.

Straight from the Tory playbook 😂😂

I don't think that's good enough at all.

Obviously everyone supports inward investment, that's not the issue, inward investment alone will not resolve this, a full change in control of the club is the minimum satisfactory outcome.

He needs to make that clear.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I don't think that's good enough at all.

Obviously everyone supports inward investment, that's not the issue, inward investment alone will not resolve this, a full change in control of the club is the minimum satisfactory outcome.

He needs to make that clear.

Except he might disagree with that. Personally, for me, he is part of the problem.
Fenty out.

Quoted from toontown

Except he might disagree with that. Personally, for me, he is part of the problem.
Fenty out.

He's definitely part of the problem, he didn't even clarify whether he supports Leeds or not. 😉

If and I say if it's the same bloke I can think of two instances that in my humble opinion sums the cockwomble up.
Peterborough away and the first time my girlfriend had been to a town away game.
We're walking over the bridge after leaving that barge boozer and confronted by cockwomble with the local plod, he informs them that "This is one of my men"
The girlfriend instantly informed him and and the local plod
"He's my man actually because I've been flipping him for four years"
The bloke looked stupid after trying to be clever.
After the play off in Cardiff the same bloke, thumbs in vest, strutting with two Cardiff WPCs gives it the same "These are my men" to a few of us outside a bar.
We said how manly he looked with his ASP out during the trouble outside Wetherspoons earlier and he positively bristled with pride without realising we were taking the urine and the WPCs were sneering at him.

Slimy creepy illegitimate, makes my skin crawl

wow never knew PC Rutter from LEEDS is representing the trust, I'm baffled as the circus continues. Another yes man to fenty, how has this man wangled his way from FIO to a MOB for the trust? How long has he even been there? was he part of the easy hand over with parkers money to fenty? The rot continues!

Quoted from Ipswin

Don't see how anyone can deny this it's a fact, all the other faults he's guilty as charged maybe, but when cash was urgently needed the fans couldn't have bailed the club out

I herby withdraw the nomination of twit of the week. Another post I agree with.

Wow , how nasty people can be over a comment they don’t agree with. If you don’t like the way the trust is run or it’s chairman then get off your bottom and do something about it rather than looking for any obscure reason to bad mouth them on a forum. (Most of which is hearsay or guesswork)

To be fair, whilst I agree, if folk want to actively influence change then they could join the trust, vote, stand and so forth...however, people are still not sure on the trust, the way they allowed their arm to be twisted and so on. I’d imagine that’s why so many still take their opportunity to have a dig at them.

Whatever people’s opinions of Rutter, this article was in the Daily Racist...I’d take it with a pinch of salt. In this instance I’d imagine what he has said has been paraphrased or edited in some way. My experience of Rutter, whilst he may not be as militant as others, he doesn’t strike me as a Fenty puppet...

In response to the firestorm he started, on twitter Mr Rutter has said he does support the takeover.

All well and good you might think, till he plays his trump card - "if it is the interests of the club."

This really gets me irritated. What could be LESS in the interests of the club for Fenty to continue? Let him name one thing were it would help if Fenty clung on?

A couple of turnstile operators taking over would have a beneficial effect, let alone a consortium of high flying professional business people with the contacts and expertise to completely transform our fortunes.

Feny out.

In the interest of the club is a flimsy phrase in all honesty.

It doesn’t really mean anything, Fenty has done little that has been in the best interests of the club. Slagging off potential suitors is hardly helpful.

It’s a throw away phrase to protect oneself for no real reason...just have some bollcoks I guess and say that a takeover is necessary. Spending your time worrying that it might go sour (ironic as it’s hardly been plain sailing with Honest John) means you’ll never move forward...

In the interest of the club is a flimsy phrase in all honesty.

It doesn’t really mean anything, Fenty has done little that has been in the best interests of the club. Slagging off potential suitors is hardly helpful.

It’s a throw away phrase to protect oneself for no real reason...just have some bollcoks I guess and say that a takeover is necessary. Spending your time worrying that it might go sour (ironic as it’s hardly been plain sailing with Honest John) means you’ll never move forward...

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

All well and good you might think, till he plays his trump card - "if it is the interests of the club."

I think what he meant to say was:

"I support new investment if it means my pal John gets all his money back"

It's very flimsy isn't it. How is the current ownership 'in the interests of the club'? As the chair of the trust he should be much more proactive at this point in time.  Shouldn't they be asking the membership what they want them to do.

Personally I think they should be issuing a statement of no confidence in the current board.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

It's very flimsy isn't it. How is the current ownership 'in the interests of the club'? As the chair of the trust he should be much more proactive at this point in time.  Shouldn't they be asking the membership what they want them to do.

Personally I think they should be issuing a statement of no confidence in the current board.

In which they are part of? I think the fact they facilitated the current talks speaks volumes of what the trust stance is. If they wish to poll the  membership I'm sure it would be well received.

Quoted from SomeSanity

In which they are part of? I think the fact they facilitated the current talks speaks volumes of what the trust stance is. If they wish to poll the  membership I'm sure it would be well received.

I think they should have done.

Whilst I have no doubt the Trust have some very well intentioned people,they are being perceived as puppets of the board and their agenda is to preserve the status quo.
The Trust need to examine it's governance and how it mandates it's 2 board members. Otherwise it becomes a self interest group  dominated by the views of a vociferous minority

Quoted from davmariner

Think this deserves a thread of its own so people don’t miss this.

Questionable at best and a worry that the Chair of the supposed supporters trust is coming out with nonsense like this. I would argue that the ‘benign’ loans have actually had the opposite effect and have held the club back and also and the prospect of future investment.

I would like the Trust to come out and distance itself from these comments and to consider if Alan Rutter is the right person to lead the trust at this moment.

Chair of the Mariners Trust:

'There is no doubt that John Fenty has put a lot of money into the club. Without his support over the years we would have been in a lot of bother,' points out Alan Rutter, chair of the Trust.

Link below:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sp.....buy-shares-club.html

Before everyone red crosses me for what I am about to say, I want Fenty gone, I'd even go as far as to say I want him gone & banned from BP for life. But I think its unfair to give Alan Rutter excrement for this article.

1. Because Fenty has put a lot of money into the club over the years and without it, we could have been in a lot of bother. Remember when he took over? we owed the taxman a substantial amount of money, I believe we also had something like £500k bank overdraft to.  This does not excuse his complete mismanagement, incompetence, and in recent weeks what looks like could be really dodgy goings-on. But it is a fact.

2. This is the Daily Mail we are talking about. They print excrement on a daily basis and kiss the tories arses 365 days a year. They don't exactly print the truth do they? They haven't mentioned fenty resigning from his role at the council (again coz they bum the tories)   Mr Rutter might have given a 10-page statement that painted a much different picture, and they chose just to print that one comment. It could be completely out of context. I would trust the words of Vladimir Putin more than the tripe printed in the Daily Mail.

FENTY OUT!
UTM!

Quoted from aldi_01

To be fair, whilst I agree, if folk want to actively influence change then they could join the trust, vote, stand and so forth...however, people are still not sure on the trust, the way they allowed their arm to be twisted and so on. I’d imagine that’s why so many still take their opportunity to have a dig at them.

Whatever people’s opinions of Rutter, this article was in the Daily Racist...I’d take it with a pinch of salt. In this instance I’d imagine what he has said has been paraphrased or edited in some way. My experience of Rutter, whilst he may not be as militant as others, he doesn’t strike me as a Fenty puppet...

But they would be less likely to have their arms twisted if more people who want change joined and made their voices heard! The Trust is only as good as the members. This really gets my goat. The Trust is set up for the fans, with a proper governance structure. There is nothing wrong with the governance structure. It is as recommended by Supporters Direct. It does what its members tell it to. Sadly the members have not told it to act stronger.

There was a big majority in favour of giving Fenty those shares when it was put to the vote. I 'king hated that decision, and I think subsequent events proved me right. But I was in the minority. If only more people who don't like the way things are done got involved, we'd be better off now IMO. So if you missed the boat then, get on the 'king thing now.

And really it needs more home based supporters not exiles. People who can get to meetings in GY, and are willing to do the work. Maybe we wouldn't have apologists for Fenty on the Trust board if people did.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

But they would be less likely to have their arms twisted if more people who want change joined and made their voices heard! The Trust is only as good as the members. This really gets my goat. The Trust is set up for the fans, with a proper governance structure. There is nothing wrong with the governance structure. It is as recommended by Supporters Direct. It does what its members tell it to. Sadly the members have not told it to act stronger.

There was a big majority in favour of giving Fenty those shares when it was put to the vote. I 'king hated that decision, and I think subsequent events proved me right. But I was in the minority. If only more people who don't like the way things are done got involved, we'd be better off now IMO. So if you missed the boat then, get on the 'king thing now.

And really it needs more home based supporters not exiles. People who can get to meetings in GY, and are willing to do the work. Maybe we wouldn't have apologists for Fenty on the Trust board if people did.

Think that many of us who voted not to give the shares to JF became very disillusioned with the Trust at that point. Any say that it may potentially have had sort of evaporated at that point - the seats on the board, whether it be one or two, became pretty meaningless. Like many, I'm happy to do something if there's a purpose to it but would never get involved if the Trust is just an extension of the club board.

Quoted from NorthLondonMariner

Before everyone red crosses me for what I am about to say, I want Fenty gone, I'd even go as far as to say I want him gone & banned from BP for life. But I think its unfair to give Alan Rutter excrement for this article.

1. Because Fenty has put a lot of money into the club over the years and without it, we could have been in a lot of bother. Remember when he took over? we owed the taxman a substantial amount of money, I believe we also had something like £500k bank overdraft to.  This does not excuse his complete mismanagement, incompetence, and in recent weeks what looks like could be really dodgy goings-on. But it is a fact.

2. This is the Daily Mail we are talking about. They print excrement on a daily basis and kiss the tories arses 365 days a year. They don't exactly print the truth do they? They haven't mentioned fenty resigning from his role at the council (again coz they bum the tories)   Mr Rutter might have given a 10-page statement that painted a much different picture, and they chose just to print that one comment. It could be completely out of context. I would trust the words of Vladimir Putin more than the tripe printed in the Daily Mail.

FENTY OUT!
UTM!

I read the Daily Mail, not for it's political views but more for the other content especially health, sport etc. It certainly is a Conservative supporting paper but is often critical of the Conservative Government, its leader, policies and politicians. The few occasions that I have recently read the Labour supporting Daily Mirror I have yet to see any criticism of Labour policies, leaders or politicians.

Quoted from rancido

I read the Daily Mail, not for it's political views but more for the other content especially health, sport etc. It certainly is a Conservative supporting paper but is often critical of the Conservative Government, its leader, policies and politicians. The few occasions that I have recently read the Labour supporting Daily Mirror I have yet to see any criticism of Labour policies, leaders or politicians.

Dont get me wrong. The likes of the mirror & the sun are the worst of the worst. What I was trying to point out is it's highly unlikely the mail have approached Alan Rutter for comment on this story and all he has said to them is "'There is no doubt that John Fenty has put a lot of money into the club. Without his support over the years we would have been in a lot of bother,'

Quoted from NorthLondonMariner

Dont get me wrong. The likes of the mirror & the sun are the worst of the worst. What I was trying to point out is it's highly unlikely the mail have approached Alan Rutter for comment on this story and all he has said to them is "'There is no doubt that John Fenty has put a lot of money into the club. Without his support over the years we would have been in a lot of bother,'

That's all they have reported. It's probably been said in the midst of a whole conversation and been plucked out and printed. Journalists do that all the time.

Quoted from GrimRob

That's all they have reported. It's probably been said in the midst of a whole conversation and been plucked out and printed. Journalists do that all the time.

Yep. Gutter journalism. Exactly my point as to why he shouldn't be getting hammered for this article.

Quoted from NorthLondonMariner

Yep. Gutter journalism. Exactly my point as to why he shouldn't be getting hammered for this article.

Don't disagree but I still think he's not a good Chairman for a fans group. At best he's a jobsworth.

Quoted from ginnywings

Don't disagree but I still think he's not a good Chairman for a fans group. At best he's a jobsworth.

Presumably he stood for election and was duly selected? It's easy to criticise from the sidelines but I imagine the opportunity is there for others to put themselves up next time the position is up for renewal.

Quoted from GrimRob

Presumably he stood for election and was duly selected? It's easy to criticise from the sidelines but I imagine the opportunity is there for others to put themselves up next time the position is up for renewal.

There’s precious little point in being chair of a powerless organisation.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There’s precious little point in being chair of a powerless organisation.

This is a key point how many fans, like myself, have not joined the Trust because of the transfer of shares too JF?

Quoted from GrimRob

Presumably he stood for election and was duly selected? It's easy to criticise from the sidelines but I imagine the opportunity is there for others to put themselves up next time the position is up for renewal.

Boris Johnson stood for election and was duly selected. Am I allowed to criticise him?

I didn't vote for Rutter as I am not a member of the Trust. The reason I am not a member of the Trust is because people like Rutter are in charge.  

There are good people involved with the Trust, I have no doubt, but bax confirmed what many of us felt when he resigned.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Think that many of us who voted not to give the shares to JF became very disillusioned with the Trust at that point. Any say that it may potentially have had sort of evaporated at that point - the seats on the board, whether it be one or two, became pretty meaningless. Like many, I'm happy to do something if there's a purpose to it but would never get involved if the Trust is just an extension of the club board.

So you gave up?

Quoted from ginnywings

Boris Johnson stood for election and was duly selected. Am I allowed to criticise him?

I didn't vote for Rutter as I am not a member of the Trust. The reason I am not a member of the Trust is because people like Rutter are in charge.  

There are good people involved with the Trust, I have no doubt, but bax confirmed what many of us felt when he resigned.

Self-defeating argument there Ginny.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

This is a key point how many fans, like myself, have not joined the Trust because of the transfer of shares too JF?

There was the opportunity to join before and during the debate about the shares. The Trust even made an extra effort to encourage people to join at that point.

So by not being a member and voting you actually enabled the share transfer to happen!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There’s precious little point in being chair of a powerless organisation.

Powerless because it hasn’t got many members.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Powerless because it hasn’t got many members.

No. Powerless because it has zero impact.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Whilst I have no doubt the Trust have some very well intentioned people,they are being perceived as puppets of the board and their agenda is to preserve the status quo.
The Trust need to examine it's governance and how it mandates it's 2 board members. Otherwise it becomes a self interest group  dominated by the views of a vociferous minority

That’s absolute ballcocks. It’s got a perfectly sound governance structure. One member one vote. The only way it risks becoming dominated by a vociferous minority is if the majority allow it to by standing on the sidelines moaning.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

There was the opportunity to join before and during the debate about the shares. The Trust even made an extra effort to encourage people to join at that point.

So by not being a member and voting you actually enabled the share transfer to happen!

Yeah, agree with all that but regrettably we can’t turn the clock back and paying for mistakes seems a fact of life a bit like being miserable after 90% of our matches. Every season seems to repeat itself, hints of hope soon disappear as we lose far more often then we win.

Merry Christmas!!!!

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Yeah, agree with all that but regrettably we can’t turn the clock back and paying for mistakes seems a fact of life a bit like being miserable after 90% of our matches. Every season seems to repeat itself, hints of hope soon disappear as we lose far more often then we win.

Merry Christmas!!!!

You can’t turn the clock back but you can do something about it now.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That’s absolute ballcocks. It’s got a perfectly sound governance structure. One member one vote. The only way it risks becoming dominated by a vociferous minority is if the majority allow it to by standing on the sidelines moaning.

As a Trust member I have never been consulted re an issue,you cannot deny the fact that the Trust is perceived as being held hostage by the board by the majority of the fans'as much as you would like to bury your head in the sand.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Self-defeating argument there Ginny.

Yep, you got me there. Were the members even consulted on who would be co-opted onto the GTFC board? Friskneymariner says he has never been consulted on any issue. I personally feel that the Trust should be a pressure group working from the outside.

As they say, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. By allowing the Trust onto the board, after finagling the shares away from them, they were effectively hamstrung.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

There was the opportunity to join before and during the debate about the shares. The Trust even made an extra effort to encourage people to join at that point.

So by not being a member and voting you actually enabled the share transfer to happen!

I’m not sure that is the case is it?

As far as I remember it you could join after Parker donated the shares, but not after the question about giving Fenty the shares was asked. As I say that is just from memory and you may be right.

Having said all that, the Trust should never have been put in that position by Fenty. It was a crude and greedy move.