Outfield captain?

Nothing against Macca the keeper but I think we need something different in terms of leadership. I would like to see someone kicking a few arses and getting some of them going.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Nothing against Macca the keeper but I think we need something different in terms of leadership. I would like to see someone kicking a few arses and getting some of them going.

You would think Ollie would just nominate Waterfall to be the man to bark out the orders to the outfield players regardless of whether he has to be the official captain. We need to start communicating, cajoling and kicking some backsides during the game and it is impossible for Macca to do that from between the sticks.

Whilst I too would prefer an outfield captain my experience from playing is that most teams have natural talkers and leaders whether or not they are captain. I cannot believe the likes of Waterfall and Rose are not adopting this role unless of course they are the “silent” type of player who leads by example. Given Waterfall was captain at Lincoln, under the brothers shouty, I would expect he is undertaking that role albeit not officially.

The armband means nothing, you need eleven leaders in the team.

Macca really cares about the side, club, fans and being part of the community and despite me not being a fan of keeper captains he’s far and away the best choice. Also he’s probably the only one who pretty much guaranteed to start every game if fit.

If we ever get a settled side more leaders will emerge and I can see why people would recommend Waterfall as he’s certainly one you’d follow into battle.

This thread has got me thinking, in my 40+ years of being a Town supporter we’ve had some excellent skippers.  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Macca really cares about the side, club, fans and being part of the community and despite me not being a fan of keeper captains he’s far and away the best choice. Also he’s probably the only one who pretty much guaranteed to start every game if fit.

If we ever get a settled side more leaders will emerge and I can see why people would recommend Waterfall as he’s certainly one you’d follow into battle.

This thread has got me thinking, in my 40+ years of being a Town supporter we’ve had some excellent skippers.  

The best ones have all led by example. Waters, Cunnington, Groves and Disley all spring to mind, ironically all attacking midfielders.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The best ones have all led by example. Waters, Cunnington, Groves and Disley all spring to mind, ironically all attacking midfielders.

Wasn’t Pouton captain too?

The most important factor is that they have to be present in almost every starting XI for them to have to the support. As it stands the most likely candidates would be Macca, Waterfall or Pollock. Now considering its not working with Macca leading the troops, that narrows it to 2. Now with the interest in Matty, would it be worth making him Captain as that may also benefit Town if any teams fancy making a bid for him as trying to take a teams Captain should come as a premium

Macca's about the only person guaranteed to be on the pitch for 90 mins!

Macca could be made 'club captain' with the big man Waterfall be the 'team captain'  simples.

I fully agree with the notion that you need 11 captains on the field.  Be it vocal or leading by example.  But you do need someone who wears the armband and takes things by the scruff of the neck at times.

You've got guys like Groves who were the silent and pure example of how to be.  I don't think he was really a shouter or someone who would pin someone up in the dressing room, but he looked the type who people would naturally follow.  A proper leader.  
But Groves was surrounded by really good players for large parts of his time at Town.  Good, excellent professionals who knew their job inside and out and worked with each other like clockwork.  

I've no issue really with Macca having the armband, other than his position on the field doesn't lead him to a position of influence.  It's a dark art and not one that sits comfortably with me but the better teams always seem to have someone in the referee's ear all the time, usually their captain.  Not all referee's will be like this, but some will only speak to the captain.  If our captain is 50 yards away in between the sticks, it limits how much he can get into the referee's head.  

Purely on the pitch, I think it has to be Waterfall.  

It should not matter one not who is Captain. We just need leaders all over the pitch.

We've had this conversation a billion times since Macca was appointed captain.

Giving an armband to someone else isn't going to change our fortune on the pitch. If we have an outfield player that is able to organise, encourage, stick up for his teammates and lead by example, then they can do that without an armband on.

I don’t think McKeown’s got the mentality for it, imo. His demeanour is jittery, erratic and reactive. A few weeks back he ran to the opposition box to get involved in some minor handbags (FGR I think it was), completely unnecessary. You want a captain who leads by example in their play - a goalkeeper cannot do that for an outfield player in reality. If you’re looking at your goalkeeper in any situation, it can’t be a good sign.