Oh Dear

Its a sad thing when reading this forum is more entertaining than the action down on the pitch. Never seen so many so called  all town arnt we  argueing  name calling  . It seems every thread there is fallouts  and name calling. I dread to think what the players think ,and we know some of them will read it . Debaiting whats wrong or right is fine but to be honest it realy is can of pop and popcorn time when logging on . It needs to calm down .  We all know we need better players and they cost and we dont have the money .The new owners have spent a lot of their own money but say they are not shelling out any more and the club basically has to be self sustainable. Most understand that but it means we cannot get the players that we need.. So it is what it is right now.  

Shut up, you idiot.

Quoted from denni266

Its a sad thing when reading this forum is more entertaining than the action down on the pitch. Never seen so many so called  all town arnt we  argueing  name calling  . It seems every thread there is fallouts  and name calling. I dread to think what the players think ,and we know some of them will read it . Debaiting whats wrong or right is fine but to be honest it realy is can of pop and popcorn time when logging on . It needs to calm down .  We all know we need better players and they cost and we dont have the money .The new owners have spent a lot of their own money but say they are not shelling out any more and the club basically has to be self sustainable. Most understand that but it means we cannot get the players that we need.. So it is what it is right now.  

Have they actually said they don't want to spend anymore money ?

I know they want to reach sustainability at some point , but all I have heard them actually say is they are putting more money in atm ,which they are fine with .

Seems another spin on words that the tap has just been turned off .

Quoted from denni266

Its a sad thing when reading this forum is more entertaining than the action down on the pitch. Never seen so many so called  all town arnt we  argueing  name calling  . It seems every thread there is fallouts  and name calling. I dread to think what the players think ,and we know some of them will read it . Debaiting whats wrong or right is fine but to be honest it realy is can of pop and popcorn time when logging on . It needs to calm down .  We all know we need better players and they cost and we dont have the money .The new owners have spent a lot of their own money but say they are not shelling out any more and the club basically has to be self sustainable. Most understand that but it means we cannot get the players that we need.. So it is what it is right now.  

You've started another good debate there.

Being sustainable is a long way off, so if you are saying they won't shell any more money out does that mean we basically re-live the Fenty years but are nicer whilst doing it?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You've started another good debate there.

Being sustainable is a long way off, so if you are saying they won't shell any more money out does that mean we basically re-live the Fenty years but are nicer whilst doing it?

Reminiscing the Fenty years isn’t a great thought but you have to wonder if somehow these experienced professional businessmen have underestimated the costs of running a football club?

Let’s face it, the first two years of their tenure couldn’t have gone much better but we seem to have hit the buffers with a shuddering jolt. How we respond will be very interesting.

We get promotion have a run in the FA cup raising over a million pounds and still find a way to f--k it up.
If money was wasted on bad players by the manager it would be wiser by the powers that be to rubber stamp any spending in the future because someone really messed up big this time.

What like when Fenty was in charge, ringing players up on their way to sign for us to renegotiate their offers down? If they make a bøllocks of it, how do you change that?

With the current structure you’ve got specific people in place to make decisions on recruitment. If they fųck it up, they can be replaced. Same as a manager, or head coach. More clearly defined roles means it’s easier to say if they’re doing a good job, and if not, they’re easier to replace.

We've literally just signed a player for a fee a week and half ago. Some of you really are insufferable with the agenda against the ownership of the club. The playing squad isn't good enough, so letting players go to fund sales for other players is GOOD BUSINESS. Why would you keep an extra wage around when he isn't needed and deemed surplus to requirements? They've already made it public knowledge about the work that the main stand needs in the close season which will cost close to a million pounds. We've made a loss every season that they've put in out of there own pocket, they've acknowleged they probably under estimated the costs but I don't see any penny pinching? The match day experience is better despite the product served on the pitch, the ground is in a better state than it's been in a long time, the training ground is night and day difference, the non playing staff is actively larger to bring us in to the modern day and based on the words of PH the playing budget is the biggest this season during any of his seasons at the club. Some of you just need to have a day off.

JS seems to very quiet normally he’s never out the press.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

You've started another good debate there.

Being sustainable is a long way off, so if you are saying they won't shell any more money out does that mean we basically re-live the Fenty years but are nicer whilst doing it?

On the football side yes we are still in the Fenty years , Dragging our arses along the bottom end of the league.  and because of the state the place was left in we  dont have the money to compete payer wise . It is what it is

Quoted from aussiej

We get promotion have a run in the FA cup raising over a million pounds and still find a way to f--k it up.
If money was wasted on bad players by the manager it would be wiser by the powers that be to rubber stamp any spending in the future because someone really messed up big this time.

But surely in any organisation a large expenditure by a department head is rubber stamped by " the powers that be "? If a Production Manager in any manufacturing factory wants a new improved piece of kit to replace an existing one then he has to justify the cost to his MD. In the same way a Football Manager has to have the Board's or owners permission to acquire a new player and justify why. You can't expect our owners to know all about any potential player acquisitions, they have a team manager and recruitment structure to do that.

It's going to be a long day isn't it?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

We've literally just signed a player for a fee a week and half ago. Some of you really are insufferable with the agenda against the ownership of the club. The playing squad isn't good enough, so letting players go to fund sales for other players is GOOD BUSINESS. Why would you keep an extra wage around when he isn't needed and deemed surplus to requirements? They've already made it public knowledge about the work that the main stand needs in the close season which will cost close to a million pounds. We've made a loss every season that they've put in out of there own pocket, they've acknowleged they probably under estimated the costs but I don't see any penny pinching? The match day experience is better despite the product served on the pitch, the ground is in a better state than it's been in a long time, the training ground is night and day difference, the non playing staff is actively larger to bring us in to the modern day and based on the words of PH the playing budget is the biggest this season during any of his seasons at the club. Some of you just need to have a day off.

We know. We've been told a thousand times but it is what happens ON the pitch that counts.

The playing budget might be bigger but perhaps its not enough.

Stockwood's assertion that we don't need investors yet seemed odd at the time and seems dafter now.

Nobody doubts they have done some good things but none of it has been mind blowing has it, and we are still joint 3rd bottom of league 2 which is slightly worse than they took over.

Yes it's harsh but a lot of people are fed up of being perennial strugglers.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

We know. We've been told a thousand times but it is what happens ON the pitch that counts.

The playing budget might be bigger but perhaps its not enough.

Stockwood's assertion that we don't need investors yet seemed odd at the time and seems dafter now.

Nobody doubts they have done some good things but none of it has been mind blowing has it, and we are still joint 3rd bottom of league 2 which is slightly worse than they took over.

Yes it's harsh but a lot of people are fed up of being perennial strugglers.

' the playing budget might be bigger but perhaps it's not enough ' Well then maybe supporting Grimsby Town isn't for you mate? We aren't Manchester City and nor would I ever want to be. I'd much rather be as we are, the aim for sustainability. Jason and Andrew know they aren't going to be around forever so that when they pass the club on it's a lot more of an attractive prospect to the next owner rather than being riddled with benign loans. Notts County have a massive budget, the owners decide tomorrow they no longer want to invest in the club, what happens then? The club is likely going bust because nobody is coming in to save a club with millions of pounds of debt. Look at the club down the road mate, literally right on our doorstep. We was so very close to going the same way. Yes we are pereniall strugglers in the past 20 years, however this ownership have been in charge for 3 years. We got promoted the first season with probably the best playoff run you'll ever see, we had our best FL finish since 2005/6 and reached the quarter finals of the FA cup. I think context is very much needed here, at the start of the season not a single person had us sitting bottom half, quite a few had us in the play offs and not a single person was bemoaning about any lack of budget. Not even the experts that cover lower league on Twitter had us bottom half, something went wrong and they made the decision to sack Hurst to fix that problem. Artell has come in, he's not Pep. He's given us an identity of playing, some like it some don't. He's not a miracle worker however and there's a reason these players got the clubs best manager this side of the 21st century sacked. So the fact the board are getting any stick is quite alarming, I wish people held Fenty to this sort of accord because you can have a pop at them all you want over certain things, investment isn't one of them. We've had 2 very good years in the grand scheme of things and this is very much an outlier in there tenure here.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

' the playing budget might be bigger but perhaps it's not enough ' Well then maybe supporting Grimsby Town isn't for you mate? We aren't Manchester City and nor would I ever want to be. I'd much rather be as we are, the aim for sustainability. Jason and Andrew know they aren't going to be around forever so that when they pass the club on it's a lot more of an attractive prospect to the next owner rather than being riddled with benign loans. Notts County have a massive budget, the owners decide tomorrow they no longer want to invest in the club, what happens then? The club is likely going bust because nobody is coming in to save a club with millions of pounds of debt. Look at the club down the road mate, literally right on our doorstep. We was so very close to going the same way. Yes we are pereniall strugglers in the past 20 years, however this ownership have been in charge for 3 years. We got promoted the first season with probably the best playoff run you'll ever see, we had our best FL finish since 2005/6 and reached the quarter finals of the FA cup. I think context is very much needed here, at the start of the season not a single person had us sitting bottom half, quite a few had us in the play offs and not a single person was bemoaning about any lack of budget. Not even the experts that cover lower league on Twitter had us bottom half, something went wrong and they made the decision to sack Hurst to fix that problem. Artell has come in, he's not Pep. He's given us an identity of playing, some like it some don't. He's not a miracle worker however and there's a reason these players got the clubs best manager this side of the 21st century sacked. So the fact the board are getting any stick is quite alarming, I wish people held Fenty to this sort of accord because you can have a pop at them all you want over certain things, investment isn't one of them. We've had 2 very good years in the grand scheme of things and this is very much an outlier in there tenure here.

I did hold Fenty to account - he also invested heavily at the beginning of his tenure (whether it was well thought through is another matter) and the trouble only really started when he started to want some of his money back. Problem is that we seem to need to spend heavily to stand still.

What is most important is avoiding a third trip to non league - that would have a dramatic impact on matchday revenue.

Pity J.S didn't listen to Elton John,he said at the end of his time with Watford ,he came out with a small fortune,trouble is he started with a large one.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

We know. We've been told a thousand times but it is what happens ON the pitch that counts.

The playing budget might be bigger but perhaps its not enough.

Stockwood's assertion that we don't need investors yet seemed odd at the time and seems dafter now.

Nobody doubts they have done some good things but none of it has been mind blowing has it, and we are still joint 3rd bottom of league 2 which is slightly worse than they took over.

Yes it's harsh but a lot of people are fed up of being perennial strugglers.

I'm not doubting your word but the last thing I saw JS say anything about investors was at the Fans Forum, where he said there were no investors interested at that moment.  Where did he say that we don't need investors?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

' the playing budget might be bigger but perhaps it's not enough ' Well then maybe supporting Grimsby Town isn't for you mate? We aren't Manchester City and nor would I ever want to be. I'd much rather be as we are, the aim for sustainability. Jason and Andrew know they aren't going to be around forever so that when they pass the club on it's a lot more of an attractive prospect to the next owner rather than being riddled with benign loans. Notts County have a massive budget, the owners decide tomorrow they no longer want to invest in the club, what happens then? The club is likely going bust because nobody is coming in to save a club with millions of pounds of debt. Look at the club down the road mate, literally right on our doorstep. We was so very close to going the same way. Yes we are pereniall strugglers in the past 20 years, however this ownership have been in charge for 3 years. We got promoted the first season with probably the best playoff run you'll ever see, we had our best FL finish since 2005/6 and reached the quarter finals of the FA cup. I think context is very much needed here, at the start of the season not a single person had us sitting bottom half, quite a few had us in the play offs and not a single person was bemoaning about any lack of budget. Not even the experts that cover lower league on Twitter had us bottom half, something went wrong and they made the decision to sack Hurst to fix that problem. Artell has come in, he's not Pep. He's given us an identity of playing, some like it some don't. He's not a miracle worker however and there's a reason these players got the clubs best manager this side of the 21st century sacked. So the fact the board are getting any stick is quite alarming, I wish people held Fenty to this sort of accord because you can have a pop at them all you want over certain things, investment isn't one of them. We've had 2 very good years in the grand scheme of things and this is very much an outlier in there tenure here.

I feel that they want to reach sustainability while leaving something tangible behind , which I like .

But when there was a bump in the road on the playing side it was always going to be interesting what the fanbases reaction was - some only care about what happens on the pitch whether those of us that look at the bigger picture agree with that or not and at the moment if you just want to see a decent team you are being sold short . I don't think/hope the owners would disagree with that .

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I did hold Fenty to account - he also invested heavily at the beginning of his tenure (whether it was well thought through is another matter) and the trouble only really started when he started to want some of his money back. Problem is that we seem to need to spend heavily to stand still.

What is most important is avoiding a third trip to non league - that would have a dramatic impact on matchday revenue.

But we aren't standing still, the club is in a much better place than it was when they took over, wouldn't you agree? I understand the whole point about the on field product being the most important thing but I think we'd all agree that the past two seasons were very successful. Yes this season is a massive disappointment but look at the NL season, we was in a massive rut and they got it right by sticking with Hurst. They quite clearly felt a change is now needed and have chosen Artell as the right man. JS and AP give Hurst a budget and he's spent it poorly, that's not down to the owners but to say we are standing still is very much untrue, the club is now a modern day football club. Just look at Charles Vernams comments in the summer about the difference in the place since he left to now.. it's night and day. I trust the owners have made the right choice in Artell because I can see with my eyes the changes he's made line up with the comments he made when he joined, we are trying to play football. He can quite clearly see the weaknesses and I trust him to get it right. He's got a good track record to back that up with his work at Crewe on a much smaller budget and he's quite clearly a good coach based on the players that team produced but he needs time, it won't take 9 weeks and it certainly won't happen with this set of players.

Quoted from Mappers

I feel that they want to reach sustainability while leaving something tangible behind , which I like .

But when there was a bump in the road on the playing side it was always going to be interesting what the fanbases reaction was - some only care about what happens on the pitch whether those of us that look at the bigger picture agree with that or not and at the moment if you just want to see a decent team you are being sold short . I don't think/hope the owners would disagree with that .

Totally agree mate, but this isn't the first bump in the road. They stuck with Hurst in the NL when many called for his head and we came out the other side with an incredible play off run. I think we play decent football. If we was even like 25% better at the back then we'd probably be a decent team. We can open any team in this division up as seen in previous performances, the problem is at the other end. Even against Tranmere we should of nicked something at the end as Rose should of really scored but instead puts it straight at the keeper. I've seen enough to have comfort in that we are going to stay up, we was all bemoaning that this squad wouldn't score enough goals when Hurst was in charge. Artell has changed that, I trust him to get it right at the other end.. wasn't too long ago people were saying that we need a attack minded coach because we don't score enough goals? Well a centre half partnership of DA and SP would of been a very good centre back partnership back in the day.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

' the playing budget might be bigger but perhaps it's not enough ' Well then maybe supporting Grimsby Town isn't for you mate? We aren't Manchester City and nor would I ever want to be. I'd much rather be as we are, the aim for sustainability. Jason and Andrew know they aren't going to be around forever so that when they pass the club on it's a lot more of an attractive prospect to the next owner rather than being riddled with benign loans. Notts County have a massive budget, the owners decide tomorrow they no longer want to invest in the club, what happens then? The club is likely going bust because nobody is coming in to save a club with millions of pounds of debt. Look at the club down the road mate, literally right on our doorstep. We was so very close to going the same way. Yes we are pereniall strugglers in the past 20 years, however this ownership have been in charge for 3 years. We got promoted the first season with probably the best playoff run you'll ever see, we had our best FL finish since 2005/6 and reached the quarter finals of the FA cup. I think context is very much needed here, at the start of the season not a single person had us sitting bottom half, quite a few had us in the play offs and not a single person was bemoaning about any lack of budget. Not even the experts that cover lower league on Twitter had us bottom half, something went wrong and they made the decision to sack Hurst to fix that problem. Artell has come in, he's not Pep. He's given us an identity of playing, some like it some don't. He's not a miracle worker however and there's a reason these players got the clubs best manager this side of the 21st century sacked. So the fact the board are getting any stick is quite alarming, I wish people held Fenty to this sort of accord because you can have a pop at them all you want over certain things, investment isn't one of them. We've had 2 very good years in the grand scheme of things and this is very much an outlier in there tenure here.

I assume you haven't been a fan of GTFC or a member of this forum for long but for years now JF was the anti-christ on here.

Quoted from denni266

Its a sad thing when reading this forum is more entertaining than the action down on the pitch. Never seen so many so called  all town arnt we  argueing  name calling  . It seems every thread there is fallouts  and name calling. I dread to think what the players think ,and we know some of them will read it . Debaiting whats wrong or right is fine but to be honest it realy is can of pop and popcorn time when logging on . It needs to calm down .  We all know we need better players and they cost and we dont have the money .The new owners have spent a lot of their own money but say they are not shelling out any more and the club basically has to be self sustainable. Most understand that but it means we cannot get the players that we need.. So it is what it is right now.  

Do you have zero self-awareness? The things you threw at Hurst, the drama you started, and the negativity you sewed, you are not one to lecture anyone. Mind you, since Hurst went, you've been less insufferable, even quite positive and it's surprising. However, you cannot just focus on being a positive influence on this board when you get the man you want.

I on the other hand will support Artell, like I supported Hurst (and I was one of the last there), because I support my team through thick and thin and chopping and changing managers every 5 minutes does not help and will not solve the problems with a squad in major need of structural improvements.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

But we aren't standing still, the club is in a much better place than it was when they took over, wouldn't you agree? I understand the whole point about the on field product being the most important thing but I think we'd all agree that the past two seasons were very successful. Yes this season is a massive disappointment but look at the NL season, we was in a massive rut and they got it right by sticking with Hurst. They quite clearly felt a change is now needed and have chosen Artell as the right man. JS and AP give Hurst a budget and he's spent it poorly, that's not down to the owners but to say we are standing still is very much untrue, the club is now a modern day football club. Just look at Charles Vernams comments in the summer about the difference in the place since he left to now.. it's night and day. I trust the owners have made the right choice in Artell because I can see with my eyes the changes he's made line up with the comments he made when he joined, we are trying to play football. He can quite clearly see the weaknesses and I trust him to get it right. He's got a good track record to back that up with his work at Crewe on a much smaller budget and he's quite clearly a good coach based on the players that team produced but he needs time, it won't take 9 weeks and it certainly won't happen with this set of players.

Fair enough - I notice you don't mention relegation which, at the very least, is a possibility. Would you give the owners and the manager a free pass if the unthinkable happened?

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

' the playing budget might be bigger but perhaps it's not enough ' Well then maybe supporting Grimsby Town isn't for you mate? We aren't Manchester City and nor would I ever want to be. I'd much rather be as we are, the aim for sustainability. Jason and Andrew know they aren't going to be around forever so that when they pass the club on it's a lot more of an attractive prospect to the next owner rather than being riddled with benign loans. Notts County have a massive budget, the owners decide tomorrow they no longer want to invest in the club, what happens then? The club is likely going bust because nobody is coming in to save a club with millions of pounds of debt. Look at the club down the road mate, literally right on our doorstep. We was so very close to going the same way. Yes we are pereniall strugglers in the past 20 years, however this ownership have been in charge for 3 years. We got promoted the first season with probably the best playoff run you'll ever see, we had our best FL finish since 2005/6 and reached the quarter finals of the FA cup. I think context is very much needed here, at the start of the season not a single person had us sitting bottom half, quite a few had us in the play offs and not a single person was bemoaning about any lack of budget. Not even the experts that cover lower league on Twitter had us bottom half, something went wrong and they made the decision to sack Hurst to fix that problem. Artell has come in, he's not Pep. He's given us an identity of playing, some like it some don't. He's not a miracle worker however and there's a reason these players got the clubs best manager this side of the 21st century sacked. So the fact the board are getting any stick is quite alarming, I wish people held Fenty to this sort of accord because you can have a pop at them all you want over certain things, investment isn't one of them. We've had 2 very good years in the grand scheme of things and this is very much an outlier in there tenure here.

Steady on tiger. I have been fanatically supporting the Mariners for 65 of my 69 years and I wouldn't have missed the other 4 had I had any say in the matter.

It's just people discussing our current travails and nobody means any harm and obviously there will be a wide range of views. We know they have done a lot of good things.

Quoted from 123614

I'm not doubting your word but the last thing I saw JS say anything about investors was at the Fans Forum, where he said there were no investors interested at that moment.  Where did he say that we don't need investors?

It's quite a while ago when I was on the way to an evening game and RH asked if new investment was coming into the club. He said something like they had received offers of help but didn't need it yet.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's quite a while ago when I was on the way to an evening game and RH asked if new investment was coming into the club. He said something like they had received offers of help but didn't need it yet.

yes, he said that in the early days, and has been steadfast that they will only look for investors who have the 'right' attributes

Quoted from forza ivano

yes, he said that in the early days, and has been steadfast that they will only look for investors who have the 'right' attributes

e.g unlike the dodgy character that The Leech tried to get on board.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Do you have zero self-awareness? The things you threw at Hurst, the drama you started, and the negativity you sewed, you are not one to lecture anyone. Mind you, since Hurst went, you've been less insufferable, even quite positive and it's surprising. However, you cannot just focus on being a positive influence on this board when you get the man you want.

I on the other hand will support Artell, like I supported Hurst (and I was one of the last there), because I support my team through thick and thin and chopping and changing managers every 5 minutes does not help and will not solve the problems with a squad in major need of structural improvements.

Thank you for folowing my posts so closely,  Think you will find i did not start the moaning about Hurst but i did post when i thought it needed it, And i was right about him as it turned out but that will be passed over i guess no matter.. And i think you will find that i posted i did not join in with the Artell out thread stating that it was too early to think like that  for many reasons. at this moent in time

Quoted from rancido

e.g unlike the dodgy character that The Leech tried to get on board.

Seems only dodgy characters are interested then, shame

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's quite a while ago when I was on the way to an evening game and RH asked if new investment was coming into the club. He said something like they had received offers of help but didn't need it yet.

Was that before or after the Fans Forum.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Seems only dodgy characters are interested then, shame

Those kind of people will always chance their arm and see where it gets them, a bit like phishing on the internet.

Quoted from 140381

Shut up, you idiot.

Sent shivers down my spine, that.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Sent shivers down my spine, that.

It was meant as an ironic response/joke. Not sure some saw it that way. Ah well. It’ll all be over by tomorrow night one way or the other.