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123614 |
December 22, 2023, 9:35am |
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I watched the Crystal Palace match last night, and they gave away a goal playing out from the back resulting in 2 points dropped. Even Premier League teams can't get it right the whole time
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December 22, 2023, 9:40am |
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What is quite interesting is watching old MOTD programmes from the 80s and 90s and you realise that teams pretty much just hoofed the ball as far as they could up the pitch and hope that after about 4-5 back-and-forths they might have possession somewhere.
It really was quite basic stuff.
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December 22, 2023, 9:48am |
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What is quite interesting is watching old MOTD programmes from the 80s and 90s and you realise that teams pretty much just hoofed the ball as far as they could up the pitch and hope that after about 4-5 back-and-forths they might have possession somewhere.
It really was quite basic stuff.
This is how a team like Wimbledon could do as well as they did at the time. They filled their team with bruisers who could win a lot in the air and bully players off the ball which was effective in the days where punting the ball as far into the opposition half as you can was the meta. As tactics changed more skilled players took the stage as they were needed to make it work, playing a team of giants and thugs is still fairly effective in lower leagues though where smaller, more technical players don't have the pace or strength to avoid being bullied.
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December 22, 2023, 9:53am |
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It was Brighton that lost possession resulting in Palace scoring, the 6th such time this season that they have done so, but they carry on playing it regardless because the benefits outweigh the risks.
De Zerbi is being eyed enviously by bigger clubs, so he must be doing something right.
One thing that stood out to me was how different the Brighton team was to the one we played. Only recognised 3 players from that game. Their turnover is astonishing, yet the team just keeps ticking.
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December 22, 2023, 9:54am |
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It was Brighton that lost possession resulting in Palace scoring, the 6th such time this season that they have done so, but they carry on playing it regardless because the benefits outlay the risks.
De Zerbi is being eyed enviously by bigger clubs, so he must be doing something right.
One thing that stood out to me was how different the Brighton team was to the one we played. Only recognised 3 players from that game. Their turnover is astonishing, yet the team just keeps ticking.
tbf they have got a hell of a lot of injuries
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December 22, 2023, 9:58am |
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Brighton are an excellent team and I like what de zerbi is doing with inviting the press. So much innovation in football right now - but I crap my pants every time I see Town do it.
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December 22, 2023, 10:21am |
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It's here to stay so get use to it. The more we play it, the better we get. The reason we don't look good at it is that we have just started doing it so we are playing catch up. It will be interesting Saturday because Harrogate sit back and defend. If they try to press us around our penalty area they will leave gaps elsewhere for us to exploit.
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December 22, 2023, 10:31am |
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I'm all for it. It may cost us a few goals or even points per season but it'll definitely be more entertaining and claw some points back (Newport for example)
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December 22, 2023, 10:53am |
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I read that De Zerbi looks at player recruitment or selecting players, he looks primarily at attitude and character. This has served him well to date.
Chelsea and Man United would do well to note this or copy this approach.
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December 22, 2023, 10:59am |
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Having watched our FA youth cup game against Forrest I can tell you that the under18s play out from the back even more then the first team and looked more comfortable doing it.
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December 22, 2023, 11:53am |
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Of course you will lose goals by playing out but not nearly as many by hoofing it and giving the opposition the opportunity to attack us.
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December 22, 2023, 12:25pm |
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Exactly Lew, how many goals have we conceded by playing long balls with nobody to win them gifting the opposition the ball to counter.
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December 22, 2023, 12:54pm |
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Brighton are an excellent team and I like what de zerbi is doing with inviting the press. So much innovation in football right now - but I crap my pants every time I see Town do it.
Never mind about your pants. What about my dicky-ticker ?
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123614 |
December 22, 2023, 3:56pm |
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Exactly Lew, how many goals have we conceded by playing long balls with nobody to win them gifting the opposition the ball to counter.
It would be interesting if someone could come up with that figure. Of course it would have to be an instant counter attack resulting in a goal within 30 seconds of the hoof up field to compare it with a defender losing it in his penalty area and quickly losing a goal.
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December 22, 2023, 4:51pm |
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The fact remains that playing out from the back , you retain possession - hoofing it up-field, it becomes a 50/50 ball and even less so with some of the "robust" centre- backs at our level. If professional footballers can't play a ball out of defense ie make simple passes , then they should seek a different profession. Certain training exercises, which I assume the players perform every training session , involve one -touch passing under pressure. They all do this so the defenders should be more than capable of doing this. The problem arises when midfielder's don't make themselves available to receive a pass when the opposition press the defence.
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123614 |
December 22, 2023, 4:54pm |
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The fact remains that playing out from the back , you retain possession - hoofing it up-field, it becomes a 50/50 ball and even less so with some of the "robust" centre- backs at our level. If professional footballers can't play a ball out of defense ie make simple passes , then they should seek a different profession. Certain training exercises, which I assume the players perform every training session , involve one -touch passing under pressure. They all do this so the defenders should be more than capable of doing this. The problem arises when midfielder's don't make themselves available to receive a pass when the opposition press the defence.
Or like last night, the keeper thinks he is a better dribbler than a goalie.
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December 22, 2023, 6:32pm |
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I thought Dean Henderson looked a bit nervy flapping about a few times. He had no chance with Welbecks goal though a brilliant header.
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December 24, 2023, 7:58pm |
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Never mind about your pants. What about my dicky-ticker ?
You've got a ticking male private wtf ?
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December 25, 2023, 7:33am |
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Hoof ball - what happens if Danny Rose is injured or suspended?
No plan B, as he is the sole guy up front able to take the tackles or head on long balls sent to him !
Perhaps something needed in the January search??
A player like Kabamba, or another of that physical size and skill levels??..... and a few goals, maybe ??
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December 25, 2023, 8:15am |
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This is how a team like Wimbledon could do as well as they did at the time. They filled their team with bruisers who could win a lot in the air and bully players off the ball which was effective in the days where punting the ball as far into the opposition half as you can was the meta. As tactics changed more skilled players took the stage as they were needed to make it work, playing a team of giants and thugs is still fairly effective in lower leagues though where smaller, more technical players don't have the pace or strength to avoid being bullied.
Yeah that Dennis wise was a right bruiser
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December 25, 2023, 8:26am |
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Yeah that Dennis wise was a right bruiser
Well I wouldn’t share a taxi with him It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the behavioural issue in the dog.
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December 25, 2023, 8:50am |
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Well I wouldn’t share a taxi with him
It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, it’s the size of the behavioural issue in the dog.
Very true Knuts. Speaking to a lad a while back who was involved in the beautiful game and witnessed up close how he was said Wise could be a nasty little player on the pitch. Having said that from a technical standpoint for me was decent enough . Gone of a bit of the game of late in football though partly due to the financial expense involved .
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