Football support v general public

Quoted from Poojah

About 5 years ago? It was 1993.

https://www.independent.co.uk/.....g-match-1505057.html

Strange how time flies, innit.

Quoted from aldi_01

I think we have to look at a wider picture and also take into consideration that class and status to some degree most definitely plays a part in the representation of sport and what surrounds them.

Whatever any other sport may claim, football is the biggest and most watched. Statistically, you’re gonna attack morons and rightly so, they’re dealt with.

The bigger issue is the unnecessary persecution, mythology and flimsy at best alleged intelligence that factors into policing and crowd control at football.

You mention flares/smoke bombs. Two very different things with two very different purposes and effects but they’re lumped together. We’re told people die from them, it’s not true. You’re as likely to die falling over a seat at BP and banging your head. If people died from smoke bombs for instance, every weekend across Europe there’d be deaths, there isn’t. However, as we saw with Brexit, the election, Covid to some degree, people will believe anything.

Cricket, a sport that, for many is an excuse for day drinking, almost encouraged, has its fair share of idiots and the likes but the approach is much more pragmatic and sensible.

Rugby, ah yes, the sport everyone seems to place on high regard…union, a middle class sport, football could learn a lot, all that balderdash. Bullshit, it has its issues. We’ll ignore the blatant cheating scandals and the financial mismanagement, that’s only a football problem apparently and we’ll give it the whole ‘player by gentleman’ bullshit.

A close friend had the displeasure of attending a game at Twickenham, it kicked off in the pub between some slip on wearing, bitter drinking Hoorah Henry’s. He expected old bill to barge in, Nick em and that would be the end of their day…only that didn’t happen and they were simply sent in different directions.

Remember the massive brawls at race meetings? How many banning orders?

There’s a double standard, and whilst I want idiots and bigots banned, the way football is portrayed, policed and managed is horrific.

Quoted from Rick12

Just a shame some people can't watch a game without the need to resort to violence. When you see violence in football be it outside or in the ground isn't nice to see eg busted up noses and the like  .

There have been cases of people in respected jobs during the week eg solicitors turning into a savage at the weekend organising and participating in football violence .

Quoted from coddy60

Yeah, the Firm was a great film 🙃

Quoted from MarinerWY

Completely agree with lots of the general comments about how football fans are viewed and treated by authorities. It is steeped in classism and we definitely receive a different response to any issues and more pre-imposed restrictions than other sports/events.

I used to support a young person with autism who lived in York (I live in Leeds) who attended college in Leeds. Some years previous he'd got the hang of taking the train and I'd meet him at Leeds station... except on Race days (which I'd take note of), where I would go up to York and travel back with him (and same for the return leg). It was horrendous, fights, folks puking everywhere, open coke use, aggression, harassment... this lad used to chat to himself a fair bit, or mutter stuff whilst playing his gameboy, so would have been a potential target.

Never once heard of race goers being mass-escorted to events by police or races kicking off at at 9am by police order (or whatever their equivalent of our early kick offs would be, I know sod all about horse racing).

Just on a subject of flares, generally I think comparing flares at Glasto (big wide open air space) to in stands is slightly different - and in some circumstances, footy fans don't help themselves: at Notts County away last season, some bright spark let off a flare inside the concourse where everyone was gathered before kickoff, very enclosed space. That is definitely dangerous for anyone with breathing problems, not to mention simply unpleasant for everyone else (I don't want to drink a pint breathing in thick black smoke).

Quoted from coddy60

Yeah, the Firm was a great film 🙃

Quoted from aldi_01

I think we have to look at a wider picture and also take into consideration that class and status to some degree most definitely plays a part in the representation of sport and what surrounds them.

Whatever any other sport may claim, football is the biggest and most watched. Statistically, you’re gonna attack morons and rightly so, they’re dealt with.

The bigger issue is the unnecessary persecution, mythology and flimsy at best alleged intelligence that factors into policing and crowd control at football.

You mention flares/smoke bombs. Two very different things with two very different purposes and effects but they’re lumped together. We’re told people die from them, it’s not true. You’re as likely to die falling over a seat at BP and banging your head. If people died from smoke bombs for instance, every weekend across Europe there’d be deaths, there isn’t. However, as we saw with Brexit, the election, Covid to some degree, people will believe anything.

Cricket, a sport that, for many is an excuse for day drinking, almost encouraged, has its fair share of idiots and the likes but the approach is much more pragmatic and sensible.

Rugby, ah yes, the sport everyone seems to place on high regard…union, a middle class sport, football could learn a lot, all that balderdash. Bullshit, it has its issues. We’ll ignore the blatant cheating scandals and the financial mismanagement, that’s only a football problem apparently and we’ll give it the whole ‘player by gentleman’ bullshit.

A close friend had the displeasure of attending a game at Twickenham, it kicked off in the pub between some slip on wearing, bitter drinking Hoorah Henry’s. He expected old bill to barge in, Nick em and that would be the end of their day…only that didn’t happen and they were simply sent in different directions.

Remember the massive brawls at race meetings? How many banning orders?

There’s a double standard, and whilst I want idiots and bigots banned, the way football is portrayed, policed and managed is horrific.