Managerial merry-go-round

According to the EFL link below, El General is the 10th longest serving manager in the football league....and that's only counting his current stint since Sep '20!  Add in the Prem and I think he's 13th overall (Klopp, Arteta and Pep the only ones i can think of in place before him).  Scary isn't it how quick they go.

https://www.efl.com/news/managers-table/

I just love how he builds squads and how his players all love playing for town. Makes me shudder to think of the days of Barry Conlon and the squad under some of those awful managers.

I'm so grateful to be in a safe pair of hands with this boss.

That's completely wrong. He was only reappointed on 29th December 2020.

Quoted from Mariner_09

That's completely wrong. He was only reappointed on 29th December 2020.

The ranking is still correct though as he's below two managers who were appointed in November 2020.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Add in the Prem and I think he's 13th overall (Klopp, Arteta and Pep the only ones i can think of in place before him).

I'm thinking Rodgers, Moyes, Frank too

Hurst is currently the 16th longest serving manager. Nigel Clough is 15th.

Quoted from Dodorondon

Hurst is currently the 16th longest serving manager. Nigel Clough is 15th.

Out of 92 managers, to be  the 16th longest serving after only 27 months of service shows how much of a mess the merry go round is in.

I wonder how high Hursty will be on that list by the time he leaves us.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Out of 92 managers, to be  the 16th longest serving after only 27 months of service shows how much of a mess the merry go round is in.

Surely it's the opposite, the merry go round is working great?

Quoted from Abdul19

Surely it's the opposite, the merry go round is working great?

The merry-go-round is going so fast it's throwing people off!

Breaking...

Antonio Conte has left Tottenham by mutual consent.

   This morning on sky sports the 'Spurs Pod cast' was bleating that spurs deserves better and should be in the top 4 every year. I nearly vomited my shreddies , these  top teams ( who won't share the tv monies) are a joke, it's said at every GTFC game they are a bunch of greedy tw*ts.

Sorry it's just a rant!

Quoted from Ruston AT

   This morning on sky sports the 'Spurs Pod cast' was bleating that spurs deserves better and should be in the top 4 every year. I nearly vomited my shreddies , these  top teams ( who won't share the tv monies) are a joke, it's said at every GTFC game they are a bunch of greedy tw*ts.

Sorry it's just a rant!

Odd that they would think they should be in the top 4 every year given their history and means - smaller club than manure, Liverpool, arsenal, less money than man City and Newcastle nowadays.

Quoted from toontown

Odd that they would think they should be in the top 4 every year given their history and means - smaller club than manure, Liverpool, arsenal, less money than man City and Newcastle nowadays.

Logical reasoning and football fans' thinking are very rarely seen together in public.  

Quoted from Ruston AT

   This morning on sky sports the 'Spurs Pod cast' was bleating that spurs deserves better and should be in the top 4 every year. I nearly vomited my shreddies , these  top teams ( who won't share the tv monies) are a joke, it's said at every GTFC game they are a bunch of greedy tw*ts.

Sorry it's just a rant!

I was totally against the forming of the Premiersh*t. I said at the time that it was based purely on the greed of the top 6 big clubs and not, as was implied by Greg Dyke at the time, for the benefit of the football pyramid and the national side.

Imagine being spurs, pumping all those millions a week into it and still having only cobwebs in the trophy cabinet.  The real issue for them now is what manager would want to go there for any reason other than the payday?  You won't get  a war chest to buy the best 11 mercenaries available for immediate success, and you won't get the time needed to build and develop a team over several years to achieve success that way either.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

According to the EFL link below, El General is the 10th longest serving manager in the football league....and that's only counting his current stint since Sep '20!  Add in the Prem and I think he's 13th overall (Klopp, Arteta and Pep the only ones i can think of in place before him).  Scary isn't it how quick they go.

https://www.efl.com/news/managers-table/

The list has him 10th, but if you went by their facts there in black and white, he would be 8th as they said he joined in September, which is earlier than the two in November who are 8th and 9th, BUT as we know, Hurst rejoined us in December 2020 so 10th is correct.

Jim Bentley sacked by Rochdale.

Almost another for the Grimsby Reaper.

Quoted from rancido

I was totally against the forming of the Premiersh*t. I said at the time that it was based purely on the greed of the top 6 big clubs and not, as was implied by Greg Dyke at the time, for the benefit of the football pyramid and the national side.

Agree with the sentiment, however, I don’t think you can deny it has benefitted the national team.

How? Fewer English players in the Premier League now than at any time.

Don't confuse some talented players emerging at this moment in time with any systemic success.

The 'Golden Generation' had some great players (also developed during the PL years) and won nothing.

Not so long ago, relatively speaking, that we got knocked out of the Euros by Iceland - because we had a poor squad at the time, albeit one with some decent players in it.

I'm very pleased we've got some talented youngsters emerging to play alongside the likes of Kane and Co at present, but I do think this is as much luck as judgement.

Southgate mentioned the other week that it was a real concern about the lack of English players in the PL at present and the ever-reducing numbers he can pick from. He obviously doesn't think the PL has been so brilliant.

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

Agree with the sentiment, however, I don’t think you can deny it has benefitted the national team.

How so? The National team has won nothing since the formation of the Premier League.

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

Agree with the sentiment, however, I don’t think you can deny it has benefitted the national team.

Whose national team though? Those of the 7/8 (at a guess on average) that make the starting line up each week for their club side that aren’t English

The upturn in the National sides fortune has to lie firmly at the feet of Southgate. For some reason, the FA allowed him to refresh things and put in new ideas and to some extent, it has worked. The players clearly buy into what he’s about, something we’ve never seen before.

As for Spurs, as soon as they remove their inflated ego and ideas that they’re huge they might stand a chance. Levy is a problem but is unlikely to go anywhere and they still regard Poch as a successful manager…because apparently bottling a title race and then getting to a final and caving in the first 5 minutes is success.

They’ve 3 huge managers and it’s done nothing, yet they all said the same thing…they can’t all be wrong…

Some years ago the FA took a look at our whole footballing structure in terms of how we play and how we coach and develop young players and the result was the creation of 'England DNA'.

Dan Ashworth, Matt Crocker and one Gareth Southgate were the people involved in developing this DNA and how it would be implemented. This is a large factor in how we've seen an emergence of talented youngsters playing across Europe and breaking into the national team and is also my belief as to why Southgate was always destined to have the England job.

The problem we have now is that we're creating much better youngsters but their pathways into top flight first teams are being blocked by foreign imports. Such is the necessity to stay in the top flight, break into Europe etc that Clubs seem more willing to buy and play foreign players who have impressed in first teams overseas than give their academy graduates extended runs in the team to see how they develop for fear of failure and the loss of riches that would accompany it.

We're even starting to see now English players go abroad, be given the opportunities and then English clubs spend millions on kids that were originally theirs!

Having the wealth of talent on show in the PL makes it the most exciting league on earth but given I support Town alone, I'd love to see the reintroduction of some stricter home-grown/national player rules that force the hand of the elite clubs to give more of our top promising youngsters a chance at the highest level rather than opting for foreign imports.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/dec/04/england-dna-launch

Greg Dyke, when he got involved with the FL,  admitted that he had been wrong and that the Premiersh*t hadn't benefitted either the National Side or the football pyramid .

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Some years ago the FA took a look at our whole footballing structure in terms of how we play and how we coach and develop young players and the result was the creation of 'England DNA'.

Dan Ashworth, Matt Crocker and one Gareth Southgate were the people involved in developing this DNA and how it would be implemented. This is a large factor in how we've seen an emergence of talented youngsters playing across Europe and breaking into the national team and is also my belief as to why Southgate was always destined to have the England job.

The problem we have now is that we're creating much better youngsters but their pathways into top flight first teams are being blocked by foreign imports. Such is the necessity to stay in the top flight, break into Europe etc that Clubs seem more willing to buy and play foreign players who have impressed in first teams overseas than give their academy graduates extended runs in the team to see how they develop for fear of failure and the loss of riches that would accompany it.

We're even starting to see now English players go abroad, be given the opportunities and then English clubs spend millions on kids that were originally theirs!

Having the wealth of talent on show in the PL makes it the most exciting league on earth but given I support Town alone, I'd love to see the reintroduction of some stricter home-grown/national player rules that force the hand of the elite clubs to give more of our top promising youngsters a chance at the highest level rather than opting for foreign imports.

https://www.thefa.com/news/2014/dec/04/england-dna-launch

They also were savvy enough to involve a number of people who weren’t involved in football but knew about how to create the right environments and how to engage stake holders. Mathew Seyed talks about it in his book Rebel Ideas as he was part of that cross background group. Whatever you say about Southgate he has brought a loads of players from different clubs together as a collective something numerous predecessors has failed to do.

Thing is, it is always going to ge cyclical. One generation, you might develop a couple of really good players, at other times, you might get a whole bunch of superstars coming through.

I seem to remember that we based our development programme on what some of the strongest countries in Europe have done - Germany, Spain, France, Italy. However, it doesn't matter how good the system is if the players either aren't there or don't get the chances.

Germany aren't up to much at the moment, but less than a decade ago, they were world champions after battering Brazil in their own backyard.

In the longer-term, they'll come back strongly because they have the systems for development in place and also because their young players have much more of a chance of making it because they don't have the same numbers of overseas players shipped in. Same goes for Italy and Spain.

Our current generation of players is good (same goes for France), but it's going to be difficult to find a striker to replace Kane in a few years and if he gets injured, we're already down to the bare bones up front. Rashford is a good player, Toney looks decent, Watkins is OK, but there's not really anyone else looking as though they will break through anywhere at present. How many PL teams have English strikers as a first or even second choice?

Barney Ronay had an article in the Guardian yesterday calling for Southgate to be brave and drop Maguire due to his lack of mobility, but the names touted as possible replacements aren't anywhere near ready at present. If Stones gets injured, we've got no replacement for him, either.

Those two players mentioned haven't even been first choices for their teams all the time over the past year or two, either, which goes to show how thin we are on the ground in certain positions.

Quoted from Maringer

Thing is, it is always going to ge cyclical. One generation, you might develop a couple of really good players, at other times, you might get a whole bunch of superstars coming through.

I seem to remember that we based our development programme on what some of the strongest countries in Europe have done - Germany, Spain, France, Italy. However, it doesn't matter how good the system is if the players either aren't there or don't get the chances.

Germany aren't up to much at the moment, but less than a decade ago, they were world champions after battering Brazil in their own backyard.

In the longer-term, they'll come back strongly because they have the systems for development in place and also because their young players have much more of a chance of making it because they don't have the same numbers of overseas players shipped in. Same goes for Italy and Spain.

Our current generation of players is good (same goes for France), but it's going to be difficult to find a striker to replace Kane in a few years and if he gets injured, we're already down to the bare bones up front. Rashford is a good player, Toney looks decent, Watkins is OK, but there's not really anyone else looking as though they will break through anywhere at present. How many PL teams have English strikers as a first or even second choice?

Barney Ronay had an article in the Guardian yesterday calling for Southgate to be brave and drop Maguire due to his lack of mobility, but the names touted as possible replacements aren't anywhere near ready at present. If Stones gets injured, we've got no replacement for him, either.

Those two players mentioned haven't even been first choices for their teams all the time over the past year or two, either, which goes to show how thin we are on the ground in certain positions.

All very good points mate, but is there not also an argument that in his stubborn refusal to give other players a chance  Southgate is stifling development of players who could come through in a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy? If he was more flexible/bolder in introducing players to the international games we may not be so thin on the ground.

As for Spurs, as soon as they remove their inflated ego and ideas that they’re huge they might stand a chance. Levy is a problem but is unlikely to go anywhere and they still regard Poch as a successful manager…because apparently bottling a title race and then getting to a final and caving in the first 5 minutes is success.

They’ve 3 huge managers and it’s done nothing, yet they all said the same thing…they can’t all be wrong…[/quote]

Spurs are the ninth richest club in the world and generate more home income per home match than any other club and in addition are adding more and more income streams from use of their stadium. One trophy in 25 years but still have home crowds in excess of 60,000 so I think they’ve every right to consider themselves a big club, albeit one that doesn’t win any trophies. The biggest issue at Spurs is poor recruitment with over £300m spent in the last couple of years and unfortunately most of their signings, like Richarliason, cannot get in the team. As for caving in during the first 5 minutes I believe they went 1-0 down following a quite horrendous penalty decision.

The performances on the pitch mean they are an average premiership club but off the field they are anything but and if the financial fair play rules are ever properly applied then they will be in an extremely good position.

Quoted from Maringer

Thing is, it is always going to ge cyclical. One generation, you might develop a couple of really good players, at other times, you might get a whole bunch of superstars coming through.

I seem to remember that we based our development programme on what some of the strongest countries in Europe have done - Germany, Spain, France, Italy. However, it doesn't matter how good the system is if the players either aren't there or don't get the chances.

Germany aren't up to much at the moment, but less than a decade ago, they were world champions after battering Brazil in their own backyard.

In the longer-term, they'll come back strongly because they have the systems for development in place and also because their young players have much more of a chance of making it because they don't have the same numbers of overseas players shipped in. Same goes for Italy and Spain.

Our current generation of players is good (same goes for France), but it's going to be difficult to find a striker to replace Kane in a few years and if he gets injured, we're already down to the bare bones up front. Rashford is a good player, Toney looks decent, Watkins is OK, but there's not really anyone else looking as though they will break through anywhere at present. How many PL teams have English strikers as a first or even second choice?

Barney Ronay had an article in the Guardian yesterday calling for Southgate to be brave and drop Maguire due to his lack of mobility, but the names touted as possible replacements aren't anywhere near ready at present. If Stones gets injured, we've got no replacement for him, either.

Those two players mentioned haven't even been first choices for their teams all the time over the past year or two, either, which goes to show how thin we are on the ground in certain positions.

There was an article recently where Southgate spoke of percentages of English players playing in the PL and then the CL and it was very low. If you were to place yourself in the position of a manager who all have owners and fans baying for success and all the riches that brings then it's wholly understandable that they will pick the players who they believe are good enough right now.

There was also a thread on here (can't remember which one), that suggested footballers (or any sports person) who play with or against players/teams of a higher standard will learn more alongside/against them. There is definitely benefit in young players going on loan to lower leagues, but if the belief is that a player is truly talented and they will go on to cut the mustard at PL level, is it not beneficial to play them at that level to learn in the deep end? Wayne Rooney, Phil Foden and Bukayo Saka spring to mind as players having not gone out on loan and thriving 'in the deep end'. I'm willing to bet there are plenty more of these types of players in the academies who won't get the same opportunity but could/would thrive if given the chance.

The counter-argument to that, if I remember correctly, was from Arsene Wenger, who cited that clubs in France and other Euro countries allow the players to develop longer in their academies because they're not fully matured until around 21 and so judgements can be skewed. The average age fro debuts was higher on the continent than it was in the UK. I'm sure this was one of the rationale behind the U23 league, giving high quality players the chance to develop with like-minded and like-bodied fellow professionals.

Quoted from Maringer

How? Fewer English players in the Premier League now than at any time.

Don't confuse some talented players emerging at this moment in time with any systemic success.

The 'Golden Generation' had some great players (also developed during the PL years) and won nothing.

Not so long ago, relatively speaking, that we got knocked out of the Euros by Iceland - because we had a poor squad at the time, albeit one with some decent players in it.

I'm very pleased we've got some talented youngsters emerging to play alongside the likes of Kane and Co at present, but I do think this is as much luck as judgement.

Southgate mentioned the other week that it was a real concern about the lack of English players in the PL at present and the ever-reducing numbers he can pick from. He obviously doesn't think the PL has been so brilliant.

My reasoning is this. Although there are fewer English players playing for English clubs, those that are, are playing alongside and against some of the best players in the world, week in, week out, coached by some of the very best in the world. Is it not reasonable to expect the technical ability of English players under those circumstances to improve over time?

In the 10 major tournaments across the 80s and 90s (I know the PL started in 92/93 - but it’s impact, both positive and negative, would have taken several seasons to take effect) England reached the QFs or better on 3 occasions, so a 30% success rate on that particular measure.

In the 10 following major tournaments, England reached the QFs or better 7 times, a 70% success rate.

That looks like improvement to me.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

All very good points mate, but is there not also an argument that in his stubborn refusal to give other players a chance  Southgate is stifling development of players who could come through in a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy? If he was more flexible/bolder in introducing players to the international games we may not be so thin on the ground.

I think the opposite about Southgate. Because of his work with the younger England sides, U23 etc , then he seems more willing to give younger players a chance. He can only give a younger player a chance if he thinks he is as good as or better than a regular older player.

Quoted from rancido

I think the opposite about Southgate. Because of his work with the younger England sides, U23 etc , then he seems more willing to give younger players a chance. He can only give a younger player a chance if he thinks he is as good as or better than a regular older player.

If a younger player or indeed any age player happens to play in Kanes position he has no chance.  Southgate seems to think Kane cannot be dropped irrespective of how badly he plays.

I have always thought that British football even at the 2014 World Cup was all about the physical side, whereas the continental method was about talent and possession. Just watch the top premiership teams and it’s is all about keeping possession, as we learnt at Brighton, there’s no just lumping it up to a big centre forward hoping to win the second ball etc. Southgate has took this philosophy on board and now England can compete against the top national teams.

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If a younger player or indeed any age player happens to play in Kanes position he has no chance.  Southgate seems to think Kane cannot be dropped irrespective of how badly he plays.

Why would he drop Kane?

He's our all time record goal scorer.

Quoted from ginnywings

Why would he drop Kane?

He's our all time record goal scorer.

A third of his goals were penalties

Didn't get the memo that penalties don't count as a full goal.

Kane is also probably our best all-round footballer as things stand and we're completely reliant on Kane being fit to play in the current style.

Saka might have something to say about who is the best all-round footballer in due course, as might Bellingham, but without Kane playing we don't have the same threat at present.

Leicester City have sacked manager Brendan Rodgers.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Leicester City have sacked manager Brendan Rodgers.

Bloody Hell I had a bit of time for him thought he was a steady manager goes to show
"Funny old game football!"
Jimmy Greaves RIP
Best footie pundit show ever
Saints & Greavsey ( excuse Spelling left Wintringham no CSE's to my name).
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Also Crystal Palace doing there bit for "Help the Aged!"  Roy Hodgson having a 2nd term at 75 years old  Good luck to him .
Remember when we went to Selhurst Park. Lost 1-0 to Palace down to 10 Men after 3 Mins courtesy  of VAR.!!
AND  They applauded  us ....Memories  you don't forget..
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Quoted from promotion plaice

Leicester City have sacked manager Brendan Rodgers.

Bloody hell!!

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Some years ago the FA took a look at our whole footballing structure in terms of how we play and how we coach and develop young players and the result was the creation of 'England DNA'.

Some of the laws they brought in at lower age groups I really like(d), the half way line retreat for example.

Potter sacked by Chelsea.

Quoted from RonMariner

Potter sacked by Chelsea.

Crikey, he didn't even get a summer transfer window!  Was it 5 months in charge?

I see Chelsea as a despicable football club, completely mad structure of over spending, rule bending, and massive ideas of grandeur. Can you tell I dislike them?’

Tommy Widdrington leaves Kings Lynn............ Donny fans were hopeful, then..........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65155174

Genuinely expected Widdrington to make a bit more of a step-up than that.

Suppose it could all come down to location.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I see Chelsea as a despicable football club, completely mad structure of over spending, rule bending, and massive ideas of grandeur. Can you tell I dislike them?’

To be fair, he was proving to be pretty useless.

So within a week it’ll be Rogers to Spurs, Potter to Leicester and Conte back to Chelsea
Now that would be a proper merry go round!!
Even Conte couldn’t moan about a lack of resources at Chelsea

Quoted from Heisenberg

I see Chelsea as a despicable football club, completely mad structure of over spending, rule bending, and massive ideas of grandeur. Can you tell I dislike them?’

😂🤣😂Going to see them play Brighton in 2 weeks time with my eldest Lad who is not your "Cuppa Tea , for me a day out .
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Quoted from arryarryarry

To be fair, he was proving to be pretty useless.

The lesson is should have stayed  at Brighton

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

The lesson is should have stayed  at Brighton

99.9% of the time the grass is never greener.

Quoted from DB

99.9% of the time the grass is never greener.

I read somewhere that 98.73% of statistics appearing on social media are made up on the spur of the moment.

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

The lesson is should have stayed  at Brighton

depends on what his pay off is from Chelsea
If I were Leicester I'd be straight on the phone to him

Quoted from forza ivano

depends on what his pay off is from Chelsea
If I were Leicester I'd be straight on the phone to him

5 year contract so probably £20m . I would take a holiday if I was him.

Lampard back in at Chelsea, like some kind of WWE tag team match.....

The return of Lampard really is a WTF?!? moment. I heard a brief clip of him being interviewed on the radio earlier and even he sounded though he thought it was some sort of an elaborate urine-take...

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Lampard back in at Chelsea, like some kind of WWE tag team match.....

A bit late for an April fool prank isn’t it?

Quoted from RonMariner

A bit late for an April fool prank isn’t it?

I heard someone at chelsea was asked to go get Frank, meaning the Brentford boss, and phoned Lampard by mistake  🤩😉🙂