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This thread is a very clear symptom of the single largest issue that is tearing this country apart.
Impoverished people arriving across the channel in small boats does not threaten this country in anything like the way it has been presented by the media. But that threat is an important tool in managing the discussion and keeping the focus away from the real threat.
The real threat is billionaires and multi millionaires who want to continue making vast sums of money with little or no regulation, who avoid paying tax through their non dom status and ride on the backs of the rest of us. Almost all of the right wing media outlets who peddle the immigration threat stories are owned by billionaires who do not pay tax in the UK. All of these media outlets tell us what it means to be British and what un British looks like and it's no surprise that a significant part of that message is accept the authority of the 'establishment' and don't question what 'we' tell you. Hate foreigners and the EU but don't look at us.
The Conservative party are the vehicle for this in parliament. There should be no surprise that these non dom billionaires went to the same schools and universities as the government and pour money into the Conservative party as this is how they keep the status quo, which works to their advantage. Placing known Conservative supporters in high positions in the BBC is a further act of managing the conversation because the BBC was, up until fairly recently, a bastion of fair reporting and was prepared to question the government. The Lineker affair shows that that is now consigned to history and the BBC must also bow to the billionaire class.
As an aside, Brexit was never about control or the tyranny of the EU. That was the story we were fed. Brexit was always about the change in EU law to non dom tax status and the billionaire class could not tolerate that change. Our country is in it's current state to protect the wealth of the wealthiest in 'our' society.
Moreover, the current government's craven rule flouting, corruption and profiteering comes from a profound sense that they are on the side of the truly powerful and they can do pretty much whatever they want (and an 80+ majority is also very helpful). They are let down by greedy idiots like Mone and Johnson who have no subtly about it and the fact that the old boy network throws up some seriously untalented individuals who get into power because of that network.
The 'little people' arguing amongst themselves about immigration, Brexit and shortages of tomatoes is exactly waht these people want. While we are doing that we can't be looking closely at what the Billionaire class and their enablers are doing.
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Absolutely correct.
Indeed. This whole migration mess involves the Government blowing it out of all proportion to mask its inadequacy in all other areas. All they need to do is to allow either safe passage and proportionate processing on our side of the Channel or do it before they leave France. Whatever happened to Raab bullying, the Russian report, NHS and schools (and many other things)? |
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I’d say anyone scared of a few folk coming over on a dinghy probably needs to have a word with themselves in the mirror…meanwhile, billionaires continue to intercourse us up the bottom every which way…
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I watched an interview with Suella Braverman last night and she brazenly lied on multiple occasions. All the lies she told were disprovable by facts and yet she ploughed on, ignoring the questions and the points raised to challenge her.
Her biggest lie, which she repeated often, was about people entering this country illegally, which is simply not true.
She went on about how much it is costing to keep asylum seekers in hotels, which is clearly meant to inflame people into a false outrage. The government has an obligation to house and feed desperate people seeking safety and it's not their fault there are no dedicated centres for doing so.
We take way less people in than our European partners.
The asylum bill has been around since the 50's and they are driving a coach and horses through it.
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Absolutely spot on in every detail. Well said!
Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry. Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches... |
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There are 300,000 vacancies in the NHS and Social Care, and those feckers that call themselves a government direct all attention onto hundreds arriving on small boats.
How many of the young men crossing the channel illegally are qualified to work in the NHS? |
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Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry.
Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches...
Childcare costs in the UK are shocking. We pay £55 a day for our daughter, whenever I’ve said that to people who don’t have young children they assume we send her to the nursery equivalent of Eton, rather than normal nursery. Luckily we both have good enough jobs to cover the cost but it made us delay having another child. I know people with 2 under 3 who are paying almost 30k a year in childcare costs. |
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Indeed. I had Radio 4 on the other and there was a programme about childcare for working people - it's getting like social care, unavailable or ridiculously expensive - the most costly in the developed world. At every level our care system has disintegrated in the last 13 years. That's what people really care about. Add in large parts of our public transport system being shut down (buses outside of major urban area) trains are the most expensive in Europe when they can get train drivers, rivers are getting more and more full of shite and food supply chains failing. In my business there is a construction time bomb looming; supply chains are as difficult as I can remember, there is no chance of resourcing the fitting of 600k heat pumps needed to progress to low and zero-carbon buildings and the workforce is ageing with nowhere near enough young people coming into the industry.
Unfortunately, as a country we are much poorer than we realise and pay back time is now. There has been massive underinvestment in services and infrastructure for years under the Tories with opportunities missed with all those years of low-interest rates. Everywhere you look we see results of years of the neglect of what is important for ordinary people of average wages. But hey look what government has achieved - we got Brexit done, we've got our sovereignty and control of our borders and our shite covered beaches...
You're perfectly right - we're heading back to a society with a small privileged "elite" (billionaires, landowners, so-called nobility) and the rest of us being supposedly grateful forelock-tugging peasants. A primary reason for the fiasco that Brexit has become was the need to remove the authority of the European Court of Human Rights in the UK's daily business. So you can see where we're heading there. It has started with the Home Office trampling on the human rights of asylum seekers, and you can be sure it won't end there. . The problems of the NHS are the result of deliberately malevolent Tory policies. The "elite" were appalled, following WW2, that we peasants could enjoy the same top quality medical care that they were paying for in Harley Street. Now private businesses are leeching the NHS budget. Has anyone calculated how much of the substantial NHS budget provides no health benefit to the nation - but simply appears in the profits colomn of certain company accounts? This is of no concern to those who can afford private medical care. No doubt we are heading towards the American model where workers are too scared to give up their jobs because they would lose the very expensive medical insurance the companies pay on their behalf. (The "elite" know they need workers...but they like to have them by the balls.) So we're headed back to the Middle Ages if the Tories get their way. We had a peasant's revolt in the 14th Century which involved a lot of bloodshed. Fortunately we can have the 21st Century peasant's revolt at the ballot box. UTM |
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How many of the young men crossing the channel illegally are qualified to work in the NHS?
How many more times does it need to be pointed out that it is not illegal to cross the border of a country and seek asylum? It is the major tenet of the asylum bill. Whether they are subsequently allowed to stay is a wholly different matter, which is what the asylum process is for. We need young and able people to work in so many areas that are deficient in such numbers. Everything from picking fruit and veg to surgical doctors. Given the chance, many of the young people who end up on our shores can train to be the dentists, doctors and nurses of tomorrow. Take those blinkers off mate. Net migration is a financial positive for this country, but all you will hear is how much they cost to keep and process. |
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