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Always someone else’s fault isn’t it? When you had the opportunity in 2019 to vote for policies which could have addressed all of those things you’ve mentioned, what did you do?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Always someone else’s fault isn’t it? When you had the opportunity in 2019 to vote for policies which could have addressed all of those things you’ve mentioned, what did you do?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Unfortunately, when I voted for both Blair and Brown they both failed, miserably.
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Given that Brown lost the only election he stood in as PM, not sure what you’re on about. Even then, if you can’t see the difference between Blair and Corbyn, I think you’re WELL beyond help.
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Bear in mind that the size of the EU bureaucracy is absolutely tiny in the grand scheme of things. About 60,000 employees to operate the whole organisation. In comparison, the civil service in the UK alone has over half a million employees!
The Brexiteers railing against expense of EU bureaucracy were talking shite and most of them, you would assume, knew this was the case.
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From the shortest serving to the shortest standing PM then.
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From the shortest serving to the shortest standing PM then.
Just watched his speech from earlier and he's even more wooden and unnatural than Truss. If Truss is an automaton, then Rishi is a cyborg. And yes, he has the same stature as Tom Cruise, so probably has a Napolean complex.
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I just don’t think there are any politicians about who can do off the cuff comments AND scripted media briefing. You’d hope the PMs might be slightly better at the off the cuff stuff though I think - they’re the face of the country, parliament and party here and around the world. Johnson was actually quite good at at least looking fairly confident at blagging it.
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Given that Brown lost the only election he stood in as PM, not sure what you’re on about. Even then, if you can’t see the difference between Blair and Corbyn, I think you’re WELL beyond help.
So what help can you offer?
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He actually did better than Truss with the MP's, but the crazy members went for Truss as she promised big tax cuts and clamping down on the unions, which appealed to the selfish fookers.
Taking aside the politics and their ideological beliefs, Sunak somehow managed to campaign by far the worst. He came across absolutely appallingly in that mini-campaign when it really mattered. He failed to relate to the quite defined membership, somehow even less so than than the crazy mad-eyed approach of Truss. He's in by a technical default following a default really. There's literally no-one else left and he's far from the chosen one. He's going to make choices that will be universally disliked, by all but the right-wing press/boot lickers. The approach and lack of warmth he displayed in the summer will make it even more difficult for the wider electorate to stomach. If we get to a GE, which I'm still holding out for (probably with less hope each day!), I can't see him having any appeal to the vast majority. It flipping baffles me as to how, but Johnson somehow managed to appeal to some people. I can't say the same of Sunak. His predictions regards Truss' economic policy will buy him some time with the public, but I get the feeling he and his advisors seem to think they can get away without engagement. I know he's not officially PM yet but this morning they wheeled Victoria Atkins out on the Today programme and she seemed genuinely surprised when pressed on a question of what he was going to do.
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Sunak has already ruled out a GE, so that's not going to happen.
I get the impression that he has become the new Theresa May. They are in total disarray and have dropped a steaming pile of crap into his lap, knowing he's on a hiding to nothing and they are probably going to lose the next election anyway, whatever happens.
I think the others who harbour ambitions to be PM will keep their powder dry until the political landscape is not as fraught for them as it is now.
Timing is everything.
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