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Perhaps but then your dropping clifton. We're at the top of work rate stats too arentbwe from what Hurst has said,and that's been a big part of our success this season, and clifton is a huge part of that. Clifton is also very pacey at this level. Not saying your wrong mind but just that everybody in the team is bringing something to the table right now - it's not easy to drop anyone!
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I'm 36 years old, have been following Town regularly since I was 5 and based on what I've seen so far, I think this is the best Town side I have seen, pound-for-pound for the level we're playing at. That's not entirely fair on some of the teams I watched in my formative years as we were playing at a much higher level against clubs with far greater resources than our own, however it's worth nothing there are a minimum of four sides in this division with bigger playing budgets than ours and thus far we're comfortably ahead of all of them.
In my 30+ years watching Town I can never remember us really challenging for a league title. The only two sides that would even come close to arguing otherwise were Slade's team in 2005/6 and Scott & Hurst's team of 2012/13. In both cases we were pretty horrible in the new year and ended up some way off the pace in the end.
That's a reminder that this is a long season, but also raises an interesting point. In both of those seasons we did quite a lot of business in January, and in all fairness signed some decent players. We went into 2006, having just beaten Wrexham on NYE in that Glen Downey game, in second place and in touching distance of Wycombe with a game in hand. We then made a number of signings including Ben Futcher, Curtis Woodhouse and Marc Goodfellow - all good players in their own right but I don't think any were totally necessary (Junior Mendes certainly wasn't), and I feel actually detracted from rather than added to what we were as a team.
The window in 2013 was pretty exciting in fairness, as January windows go for Town. With so much focus on whether or not we'd re-sign Ross Hannah, who'd been on fire, from Bradford, we ended up signing Richard Brodie and Jamie Devitt one Friday out of absolutely nowhere. Eventually Hannah did sign, and then if memory serves a couple of hours later we announced the signing of LJL from League One Bury. That one in particular was a strange one, as his manager at Bury at the time was Kevin Blackwell, who days earlier had tried to pull a fast one with his old mates at Luton who thought they'd signed Marcus Marshall, only to then realise they weren't allowed to. Town duly re-signed Marshall.
The other big story of that window is that we lost Nathan Pond, who had been imperious, but regardless I think the big takeaway that sometimes less is more when it comes to adding to a good, or even great squad of players. A few weeks ago I was gagging for us to sign Bogle when it became clear he was finished at Donny. I still think he's a great player at this level, but would I now want him to sign tomorrow? Nope. It's just too big a risk - we seem to have a team that is greater than the sum of its parts, and adding the wrong ingredient to that mix could spoil that.
I think we have a management team that very much get that though, and the fact we've ended up in such a rosey situation is absolutely no accident. We've signed 15 players since the end of that last season. At this level, I'd argue a success rate of 50% is pretty good going. I've now seen 14 of those 15 and I'd grade all of them somewhere from 'good' to 'fùcking dynamite', with several close to the more explosive end of that scale. Grant obviously has something to prove in terms of fitness, but honestly, that kind of success ratio is absolutely off the scale. How does that compare, say, to Manchester United's in recent years, with all their money and resources?
As I said earlier, long way to go this season, but ultimately the most compelling characteristic of this team is that I literally don't want to change anything. There are no boo-boys, just a team of likeable, talented, hard working, professional players who appear to be being very well managed.
In that sense at least, this is pretty much uncharted territory for me as a Town fan.
Before your time PooJah but 1979/80 was my favorite. We played 31 home games that season, W 23, D4, and L4, scoring 57 goals at home. League champions and promoted to Div2, today's Championship. George Kerr was the manager and a promising physio was right back, Dave Moore. https://www.11v11.com/teams/grimsby-town/tab/players/season/1980/https://www.englishfootballleaguetables.co.uk/final/f1979-80.html#d3With the current squad, lead by Hursty, we now have to opportunity to replicate those times. Let the good times roll and enjoy them, it was 40 years ago ( how time flies) when that happened. In forty years' time I'll be pushing up daisy's but many of you will say I remember that 2021/22 season.
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Lots of talk on here about Paul Hurst being more relaxed, experienced and having learnt / grown as a manager - and who could disagree?
Keeping up momentum after Christmas is going to be crucial, doubly so in a league with only one automatic promotion spot. I seem to recall his Shrewsbury team fell away after the new year too, let’s hope he’s learnt from that experience as well.
We are in a great position so we need to do whatever it takes to see this through. Whatever it takes to keep Hunt and Towler. Loans are great but they make us vulnerable - remember when Luton ‘stole’ Scott Nielson? (He only played 8 times for them and was released at the end of the season.)
That’s the kind of ruthlessness needed but it can work in reverse. Hurst wants another striker, I don’t know if Billy Waters is all that - not seen him play - might be out of our league fee wise - but if we have resources and he’s a Hurst kind of player weakening one of our promotion rivals as we strengthen ourselves would be a double win.
A few careful additions may not be a bad thing over a long season. The way Hurst has spoken suggests he doesn’t feel his squad is complete - suspensions, injuries can soon take their toll and change the balance of a team. Margins are fine, it doesn’t take much for three points to become one.
We are in a great position, times like these don’t come around very often, from top to bottom we need to do whatever it takes - let’s hope Hurst has learnt, so far, the signs are good.
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Honestly I'd say Clifton is pretty much undropable in his current form, the amount of pressing and tracking back he does allied to his seemingly new found ability to score goals and dribble at pace makes him a vital player imho.
Him McAtee and Fox are towns metronome, I'd be amazed if any opposition player could outwork those three.
McAtee lazy pffft.
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Difficult to compare teams from different eras, but we had teams in the 80’s and 90’s that played in the second tier with players who were competitive at that level.
However, I’d say the current squad is as good as any we have had since we dropped out of the Championship in 2003.
I can’t remember a time recently when we could make 7 changes and still put in a performance like the one we saw on Saturday.
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Lots of talk on here about Paul Hurst being more relaxed, experienced and having learnt / grown as a manager - and who could disagree?
Keeping up momentum after Christmas is going to be crucial, doubly so in a league with only one automatic promotion spot. I seem to recall his Shrewsbury team fell away after the new year too, let’s hope he’s learnt from that experience as well.
We are in a great position so we need to do whatever it takes to see this through. Whatever it takes to keep Hunt and Towler. Loans are great but they make us vulnerable - remember when Luton ‘stole’ Scott Nielson? (He only played 8 times for them and was released at the end of the season.)
That’s the kind of ruthlessness needed but it can work in reverse. Hurst wants another striker, I don’t know if Billy Waters is all that - not seen him play - might be out of our league fee wise - but if we have resources and he’s a Hurst kind of player weakening one of our promotion rivals as we strengthen ourselves would be a double win.
A few careful additions may not be a bad thing over a long season. The way Hurst has spoken suggests he doesn’t feel his squad is complete - suspensions, injuries can soon take their toll and change the balance of a team. Margins are fine, it doesn’t take much for three points to become one.
We are in a great position, times like these don’t come around very often, from top to bottom we need to do whatever it takes - let’s hope Hurst has learnt, so far, the signs are good.
I’m not sure Billy Waters is the type of striker we need in our preferred system. If we’re looking in this division, I’d be tempted to have a look at Josh Umerah at Wealdstone - big, quick and appears to be able to finish.
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October 18, 2021, 10:26am |
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Interesting that young Bapaga had a good cup game in the same role as McAtee does so well.
That would keep a similar team shape if McAtee was rested or god forbid injured for any length of time.
Perhaps just the elusive striker position to fill if a suitable candidate comes up?
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October 18, 2021, 11:21am |
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I’m not sure Billy Waters is the type of striker we need in our preferred system. If we’re looking in this division, I’d be tempted to have a look at Josh Umerah at Wealdstone - big, quick and appears to be able to finish.
I’m sure you’re right - It was more an example than a ‘he’s our man’ comment - I guess by Christmas Hurst will also have a clearer sight on the form of players whose progress was curtailed by the pandemic. Whichever way, what I’m saying is we have a great opportunity and whilst I’m not suggesting we cross ethical boundaries - we need to show the ruthlessness of winners. This could be our best chance for years.
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October 18, 2021, 11:41am |
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Thankfully none of the missed pens have had an affect on the result at the end of the game. Can’t see McAtee taking one for a while now!
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October 18, 2021, 11:42am |
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Will also be interesting to see what Hurst & Doig learned from their season at Shrewsbury where they were flying before dropping into the playoffs and losing in the final.
That year they won 11 of their first 15 and didn’t lose until 28th Oct. After that they won 3 of their next 7, but really tailed off at the end of the season winning only 3 of their last 10. Not helped by Wigan & Blackburn having mental seasons finishing on 98 & 96 to Shrewsbury’s 87, which was 8 clear of Rotherham in 4th.
Momentum is great but it won’t carry you through a full season realistically. Resilience, on the other hand, will and it was good to hear Waterfall recently talking about the attitude they had at Lincoln where they knew they’d lose games, but the important bit was to win the games in between those losses. Like we all know, in the past Hurst always seemed a bit too keen on not losing and probably taking a point where 3 might’ve been on the table.
Loooooooong way to go yet, so just enjoy the wins when they come.
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