Woking Boss Rant

Quoted from Bigdog

No. He's not right is he? Getting vaccinated does not stop you from catching Covid. Jabbed or not, no one is immune. Got double vaxxed myself, but if I were a fit and healthy pro-footballer I'd trust my antibodies far greater than what is a comparatively largely untested new vaccine..

Think the guy must have been watching too much US politics. Far too much disinformation and authoritarian  rhetoric over there. Same with masks too. Very little protection scientifically, but if people feel safer wearing them, even the same ones over and over again out of their pockets, who am I to judge? Freedom of choice still exists right? Especially with our own bodies..

Just out of interest BD, what do you attribute the lower death rate to? In January we were getting about 1000 deaths each day from about 50,000 daily new cases (2%). Now it’s about 100 from 25,000 cases (0.4%) despite the relaxation in lockdown rules.
I agree with you it’s definitely not down to masks, but I do wonder if the vaccination program might have had some effect, and without it maybe we wouldn’t be playing matches at all, or at least not attending them.
I also wonder if it really is just a personal choice. Agreed, a young, fit pro footballer can probably rely on his own immune system to fight off the virus, but what if he catches it and passes it on to some poor sodomist who becomes one of the 0.4%? Personally I’m not sure - it’s a bit of a moral dilemma, but I don’t think the argument is anything like as cut and dried as you suggest.

Quoted from AussieMariner

Just out of interest BD, what do you attribute the lower death rate to? In January we were getting about 1000 deaths each day from about 50,000 daily new cases (2%). Now it’s about 100 from 25,000 cases (0.4%) despite the relaxation in lockdown rules.
I agree with you it’s definitely not down to masks, but I do wonder if the vaccination program might have had some effect, and without it maybe we wouldn’t be playing matches at all, or at least not attending them.
I also wonder if it really is just a personal choice. Agreed, a young, fit pro footballer can probably rely on his own immune system to fight off the virus, but what if he catches it and passes it on to some poor sodomist who becomes one of the 0.4%? Personally I’m not sure - it’s a bit of a moral dilemma, but I don’t think the argument is anything like as cut and dried as you suggest.

Lower death rate is due to the vaccination take up in vulnerable groups. And your figures have proved my point. The vaccine has had little effect to transmission rates. If the vaccine reduced transmission, why the hell is the daily new case rate so high this summer? I think we all need to face up to the fact that we're all going to contract Covid at sometime or other. At this very early stage it looks like the vaccine is reducing hospitalisations and deaths significantly and the most vulnerable sadly lost their lives last year..

Quoted from Bigdog

Lower death rate is due to the vaccination take up in vulnerable groups. And your figures have proved my point. The vaccine has had little effect to transmission rates. If the vaccine reduced transmission, why the hell is the daily new case rate so high this summer? I think we all need to face up to the fact that we're all going to contract Covid at sometime or other. At this very early stage it looks like the vaccine is reducing hospitalisations and deaths significantly and the most vulnerable sadly lost their lives last year..

It clearly does reduce transmission. The current 7-day average is less than half of what it was during the second wave when jabs were just starting. That was also a period when we were in lockdown too, compared to now when we have full football stadiums, people in nightclubs etc. If it didn’t reduce transmission, the rates would be reaching peak levels.

The vaccination will have contributed to lower transmission, but it appears to be less effective here than initial trials, largely due to the Delta variant. Fortunately it appears more successful at reducing serious illness and death.

I had incorrectly assumed daily infections would drop to low 000’s, rather than stick at 30-40,000, so looks like it will be around for a long time yet, and more likely that we will all end up catching it.

Hopefully by then the science will have improved further, and new means of treating those seriously affected will have been found.

It’s not about contracting it, it’s about the regulations being different for those with two jabs.

Please.

What do you all think about players taking the knee?

I saw a player taking the knee (good) to fill up a jerry can (bad) this weekend. May have been to fill his car up to go get a jab (good), but contributing to climate breakdown (bad).

There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen. What week is it? Which year is it?

Quoted from Hagrid

he's anti vax and always going on about conspiracy's and 5G masts etc

He’s anti playing football this season...... wage stealing lazy c**t 🤬

Quoted from ska face

It’s not about contracting it, it’s about the regulations being different for those with two jabs.

Please.

This.

We can argue all day about covid and its effects. Whether the jab does or does not reduce transmission and/or deaths. Whether herd immunity and the natural progression of the disease is waning over time, but the issue is that if you are double jabbed and negative, you can go about your daily business.

You may not agree with those rules, but that is irrelevant in this case.

Quoted from Hagrid

he's anti vax and always going on about conspiracy's and 5G masts etc

Probably the first player I can think of here that a manager froze out the squad for being a nutjob.