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toontown
August 2, 2021, 5:42pm
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New research on dementia and football shows defenders have the greatest added risk of dementia over the non footballer population, whereas goalkeepers (who virtually never head the ball)have no extra risk.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58060644

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New research on dementia and football shows defenders have the greatest added risk of dementia over the non footballer population, whereas goalkeepers (who virtually never head the ball)have no extra risk.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58060644


I can't believe no one has said anything regards boxers being constantly being hit in the head . Trying to stop heading some guy suggested . They have stopped tackling years ago . What next ?
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A load of waffle


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There has been a lot of high profile cases of ex-professionals been diagnosed with dementia, with heading the ball a possible contributing factor.

There are a lot of things we do in our professional and private lives when we are younger that may have an adverse effect on our health when we get older.

So what?

You usually get a relative coming on the TV or in the press bemoaning the situation, but they seem blissfully unaware that the ex-pro had a wonderful career, loved every minute of it and would never, ever have given up that life even if they could have foretold the future and see that heading the ball could/may/possibly have been a contributing factor to their illness.

Even those players who did not make it as a pro would never have given up the joy, the camaraderie and the pure pleasure of playing including heading the ball regardless of what happened in their later lives.

This happens in all walks of life; my dad used to say the years he spent at sea as a trawlerman were the happiest days of his life, even though one of the hardest jobs going and being shipwrecked in freezing Icelandic waters meant his later years were not blessed with good health. He enjoyed his younger life immensely and would have done anything to be able to go back to sea again.

I suppose the message is to enjoy your life as you see fit, and pay scant attention to what could/may/possibly happen in later life. You could give up all the pleasures you enjoy only to be run over by a bus.
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It's one of those things where our culture effectively trumps health concerns. If football was invented today heading would probably not be part of the game. If alcohol was discovered today it would be a Class A drug. But we are used to them, so they are not going to be banned, just attempts/advice to mitigate the damage they do.

There's a good (free) series of podcasts about Jeff Astle on Audible which I listened to a while back. Be interesting to know whether he would have played football had he known what was going to happen to him.


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It's one of those things where our culture effectively trumps health concerns. If football was invented today heading would probably not be part of the game. If alcohol was discovered today it would be a Class A drug. But we are used to them, so they are not going to be banned, just attempts/advice to mitigate the damage they do.

There's a good (free) series of podcasts about Jeff Astle on Audible which I listened to a while back. Be interesting to know whether he would have played football had he known what was going to happen to him.


Of course he would.

Would he have preferred to have a fantastic football career, being super fit, playing in the top flight of English football, playing for England in the World Cup and being adored by Baggies fans the world over, having a TV career after he finished playing and being famous and being recognised wherever he went- or being, say, a car salesman who's more sedentary lifestyle could have caused other illnesses that would kill him!

The thing is, it is not one or the other is it? A life different to football would have brought different challenges that may or may not have allowed him to live longer. He died aged about 60, didn't he? Would you prefer his life of 60 years to a mundane one of 80? I know which one I would choose.
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Of course he would.

Would he have preferred to have a fantastic football career, being super fit, playing in the top flight of English football, playing for England in the World Cup and being adored by Baggies fans the world over, having a TV career after he finished playing and being famous and being recognised wherever he went- or being, say, a car salesman who's more sedentary lifestyle could have caused other illnesses that would kill him!

The thing is, it is not one or the other is it? A life different to football would have brought different challenges that may or may not have allowed him to live longer. He died aged about 60, didn't he? Would you prefer his life of 60 years to a mundane one of 80? I know which one I would choose.


I'm not so sure he would, if you listen to his wife and daughter speak. To them he was a husband and a dad, a family man. If I remember he didn't bother about football much once he stopped playing until he got involved with Fantasy Football (which I never watched so I don't remember him on it). We see it differently because we think of him almost exclusively as a footballer.

I'd probably make the same choice as you, or I would have done in my 20s anyway!


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The Cornish would call you Dickie Opposite, Lew. I had a friend like you who opposes anything new almost as a matter of principle.


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Hindsight is brilliant, in all walks of life and occupations. Dementia is a terrible thing and I seem to recall reading somewhere it has overtaken cancer as a cause of death.

It is not however just for ex-footballers but for all. Heading the ball does seem to have cause dementia for ex-players. Figures about the number of ex-players with dementia (or dementia related illness) compared to the total number of ex-players in all football competitions would be interesting to see.

My best wishes do go to all relatives who have loved ones with dementia and I just don't know how they cope. The person they are nursing now is not the person they had before the disease.


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Surely, given modern technology and modern footballs the risks are somewhat lower than with the older balls from yesteryear.

Have players been involved in this? What will the game look like? A big 5 a side with no over head height? Lots of balls sailing over the top straight through to goalkeepers from free kicks?

I have no issue with looking at reviewing it and changes are usually important to keep something going but before they make a sweeping ban perhaps a lot more extensive research and work with the people actually playing needs to be done?

I’m sure someone will say that that could mean more end up with dementia etc but I’d stand by the fact making a sweeping ban isn’t necessarily the right action straight away…


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