Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › Gloating
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 211 Guests

Gloating

  This thread currently has 4,966 views. Print
4 Pages 1 2 3 4 All Recommend Thread
It Bites
October 27, 2020, 7:40pm
Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,285
Posts Per Day: 1.45
Reputation: 48.89%
Rep Score: +4 / -10
Approval: +2,164
Gold Stars: 264
Those that are gloating about the supposed decline of Scunthorpe United FC need a sharp reminder that Grimsby Town have been in a footballing decline for the last 17 years
Logged
Private Message
It Bites
October 27, 2020, 7:46pm
Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,285
Posts Per Day: 1.45
Reputation: 48.89%
Rep Score: +4 / -10
Approval: +2,164
Gold Stars: 264
Oh and any red crossers need to respond with an argument to back up their cross .
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 1 - 30
It Bites
October 27, 2020, 8:12pm
Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,285
Posts Per Day: 1.45
Reputation: 48.89%
Rep Score: +4 / -10
Approval: +2,164
Gold Stars: 264
Wow . The power of the red cross😂😂😂
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 2 - 30
promotion plaice
October 27, 2020, 9:03pm

Moderator
Posts: 19,631
Posts Per Day: 3.85
Reputation: 64.79%
Rep Score: +20 / -13
Location: Cleethorpes
Approval: +17,048
Gold Stars: 197
Quoted from It Bites
Those that are gloating about the supposed decline of Scunthorpe United FC need a sharp reminder that Grimsby Town have been in a footballing decline for the last 17 years

And for balance plenty of Scunts have gloated about our decline on here so it's our time and long may it continue.



When Leeds trainer Les Cocker was once told Norman Hunter had broken a leg, he asked: “Whose is it?”
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 3 - 30
It Bites
October 28, 2020, 8:20am
Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,285
Posts Per Day: 1.45
Reputation: 48.89%
Rep Score: +4 / -10
Approval: +2,164
Gold Stars: 264
Quoted from promotion plaice

And for balance plenty of Scunts have gloated about our decline on here so it's our time and long may it continue.



But Grimsby Town are still in that decline and it will continue for many years to come .
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 4 - 30
psgmariner
October 28, 2020, 8:27am

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 10,122
Posts Per Day: 1.69
Reputation: 73.33%
Rep Score: +39 / -15
Approval: +5,480
Gold Stars: 33
Bald men and combs spring to mind.


Logged
Private Message
Reply: 5 - 30
Poojah
October 28, 2020, 8:31am
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,212
Posts Per Day: 1.25
Reputation: 86.63%
Rep Score: +76 / -11
Approval: +29,532
Gold Stars: 1,500
It’s entirely possible to observe the increasingly dire circumstances Scunthorpe United finds itself in whilst acknowledging our own flaws as a football club. There’s no disputing that we’ve declined since the end of the millennium, our last game in which was a narrow, last minute 2-1 defeat away at Man City to give you a sense of perspective.

But there are some stark differences. The catalyst for our decline was the failure of ITV digital, followed by years of underinvestment and an ineffective utilisation of what resources we have. We find ourselves roughly where we were sixteen years ago off the back of an approximate zero net spend, which is somewhat unsurprising when you consider the willingness of many other clubs to accrue debt in their pursuit of on-field success.

Which brings me onto Scunny. In the last decade alone they have fallen from the Championship to the foot of league two whilst accumulating debts well in excess of £10m on gates well below ours.

This is fundamentally unsustainable for a club of Scunthorpe’s size and revenue generating capability (particularly at this time), and unless the ownership of the club intends underwrite those huge debts they face a very real existential threat in the very near future, something that relegation to the national league would only accelerate.

None of this means that Town are a case study in how to run a football club - we all know we’re not. If you want a good example of frugal success, go and see Wycombe or Accrington. Or for a case study in how to invest in an unfashionable, lower league club then go and pay Bournemouth or Brentford a visit.

But as to how to drive a football club into the ground? You could learn a lot from Peter Swan.


A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 6 - 30
TAGG
October 28, 2020, 9:53am

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,139
Posts Per Day: 0.93
Reputation: 53.6%
Rep Score: +26 / -27
Approval: +2,970
Gold Stars: 124
Quoted from It Bites
Those that are gloating about the supposed decline of Scunthorpe United FC need a sharp reminder that Grimsby Town have been in a footballing decline for the last 17 years


First thing its not a 'supposed decline' it is a fully blown decline. Scunthorpe are in great danger of getting relegated, we have been there so know the signs.

As for Town being in decline for the last 17 years thats true.
There has been one constant presents in the decline but I don't think im allowed to say who that is.


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
GOD
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 7 - 30
Poojah
October 28, 2020, 9:59am
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 7,212
Posts Per Day: 1.25
Reputation: 86.63%
Rep Score: +76 / -11
Approval: +29,532
Gold Stars: 1,500
Quoted from TAGG


First thing its not a 'supposed decline' it is a fully blown decline. Scunthorpe are in great danger of getting relegated, we have been there so know the signs.

As for Town being in decline for the last 17 years thats true.
There has been one constant presents in the decline but I don't think im allowed to say who that is.


Bit harsh on Dave Moore, mate.


A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 8 - 30
BobbyCummingsTackle
October 28, 2020, 10:12am
Champagne Drinker
Posts: 2,385
Posts Per Day: 1.54
Reputation: 72.37%
Rep Score: +8 / -4
Location: Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle...
Approval: +7,271
Gold Stars: 304
Quoted from Poojah


Bit harsh on Dave Moore, mate.


He could have been referring to Mighty Mariner.


Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 9 - 30
TAGG
October 28, 2020, 11:11am

Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,139
Posts Per Day: 0.93
Reputation: 53.6%
Rep Score: +26 / -27
Approval: +2,970
Gold Stars: 124
Quoted from Poojah


Bit harsh on Dave Moore, mate.


    


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
GOD
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 10 - 30
Posh Harry
October 28, 2020, 1:04pm
Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,772
Posts Per Day: 0.56
Reputation: 82.14%
Rep Score: +15 / -3
Approval: +4,361
Gold Stars: 35


He could have been referring to Mighty Mariner.


Thought we lost Mighty Mariner for a few months after a disagreement with the other one (apart from Dave Moore) who has been consistent for 17 years?
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 11 - 30
Abdul19
October 28, 2020, 1:09pm

Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 20,416
Posts Per Day: 3.41
Reputation: 73.77%
Rep Score: +71 / -26
Location: Scarborough
Approval: +17,560
Gold Stars: 216
I'd say 18 years.


JESUS AT THE CENTRE
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 12 - 30
LH
October 28, 2020, 1:24pm

Moderator
Posts: 11,477
Posts Per Day: 1.92
Reputation: 71.54%
Rep Score: +30 / -13
Approval: +18,515
Gold Stars: 173
“We’re excrement but you’re shitter” is lower league football rivalry in a nutshell.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 13 - 30
Les Brechin
October 28, 2020, 1:30pm

Moderator
Posts: 23,799
Posts Per Day: 4.17
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,709
Gold Stars: 174
Admittedly, we haven't pushed on like we could have done since but I can vividly remember being at Wembley on that afternoon in 2016 when Nathan Arnold scored that goal, thinking to myself, God I hate supporting this club in constant decline.


[img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img]
OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY
TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24


LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
        
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 14 - 30
Ipswin
October 28, 2020, 1:35pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 6,592
Posts Per Day: 1.10
Reputation: 51.24%
Rep Score: +44 / -47
Approval: -3,552
Gold Stars: 89
Quoted from Les Brechin
Admittedly, we haven't pushed on like we could have done since but I can vividly remember being at Wembley on that afternoon in 2016 when Nathan Arnold scored that goal, thinking to myself, God I hate supporting this club in constant decline.


I broke off from my euphoria that day just for a moment when I realised I was getting excited about going up the 4th Division, how our great club had fallen




On bended knee is no way to be free - Peter R de Vries

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse.....=public_profile_post
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 15 - 30
lew chaterleys lover
October 28, 2020, 1:39pm
Vodka Drinker
Posts: 5,008
Posts Per Day: 1.07
Reputation: 75.9%
Rep Score: +30 / -10
Approval: +10,712
Gold Stars: 236
Quoted from It Bites
Those that are gloating about the supposed decline of Scunthorpe United FC need a sharp reminder that Grimsby Town have been in a footballing decline for the last 17 years


I quite agree. Nobody in football thinks of us as anything as bottom feeders, much as it pains me to say it, so to gloat about somebody slightly worse off seems a bit rich.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 16 - 30
tashee69
October 28, 2020, 2:06pm

Cocktail Drinker
Posts: 1,747
Posts Per Day: 0.32
Reputation: 85.78%
Rep Score: +28 / -4
Approval: +955
Gold Stars: 23
That’s football !! Ups and downs. Happens to teams like us. Scunny enjoyed gloating over our demise, so it’s nice to have a bit of a gloat back 🤣🤣🤣


Baldrick ! The only impression you can do is that of a man with no talent !!
GTFC team 09/10 - Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick, Baldrick.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 17 - 30
140067
October 28, 2020, 4:33pm
Guest User
WE ARE NOT IN DECLINE. WE ARE SLOWLY GOING UP..It looks like Scunthorpe are in decline. They are the one going down the league we have actually risen from the table below. That is not a decline. Some people!
Logged
E-mail
Reply: 18 - 30
AussieMariner
October 28, 2020, 5:02pm
Table Wine Drinker
Posts: 910
Posts Per Day: 0.34
Reputation: 77.64%
Rep Score: +13 / -4
Location: Leeds
Approval: +2,072
Gold Stars: 31
Quoted from Ipswin


I broke off from my euphoria that day just for a moment when I realised I was getting excited about going up the 4th Division, how our great club had fallen




Good thing Swin, you might have had an allergic reaction otherwise 😀
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 19 - 30
moosey_club
October 28, 2020, 6:10pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 16,183
Posts Per Day: 2.70
Reputation: 76.19%
Rep Score: +69 / -22
Approval: +20,244
Gold Stars: 226
Will admit to gloating over it. Despise them. Hope they go down, bust and completely out of existence in all honesty.
100% fck em.




2023/24 DLWDDWDLLLWDLLLLWDDDWDLLWLDLLDWDDWLLDWLWLW
2022/23LDWDWWDWLLDWWDLLLDLWLLWLWLLWDDLDWWDDDLLWDWLWLW
2021/22 WDWWWWDLWWWWLLLWLLDLWLLWWDWWWLWDLWWDWWWDLWD play offs WWW Promoted 🥳
2020/21  LLDWWLDLDWLWLLLDLWLLDLLDLLLWLLLDDDDWDDDLWLWLWL .. hello darkness my old friend
2019/20  WDLDWWLDLWWLLLDLDLDLDDWWDLLWDDWWL WLLW - ended
2018/19  LWDDLLLLLLWWDWLLLWDWLWWWWLLLLWWWWDLLLDDLLDLWLW Hello Scunny  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 20 - 30
WesternMariner
October 28, 2020, 6:42pm

Lager Top Drinker
Posts: 253
Posts Per Day: 0.08
Reputation: 82.36%
Rep Score: +6 / -1
Approval: +912
Gold Stars: 38
Quoted from Posh Harry


Thought we lost Mighty Mariner for a few months after a disagreement with the other one (apart from Dave Moore) who has been consistent for 17 years?


I think you’re being way too harsh on Doris the kit lady.


All men are equal before fish.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 21 - 30
Eastendmariner
October 28, 2020, 7:49pm
Mariners Trust Life Member
Season Ticket Holder
Posts: 940
Posts Per Day: 0.16
Reputation: 69.11%
Rep Score: +8 / -5
Location: East London
Approval: +940
Gold Stars: 22
so what have Town been in previous to the last 17 years ON THE UP UTM


Mariner Trust Life Member  

Seen the Mariners win AWAY at 70 league Grounds

Grounds Visited 281[img][/img]

Blundell Park a Training ground for bum ref's
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 22 - 30
Meza
October 28, 2020, 8:35pm

We urine On Your Fish Yes we do yes we do
Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 9,733
Posts Per Day: 1.83
Reputation: 94.61%
Rep Score: +78 / -3
Location: Lincoln
Approval: +1,639
Gold Stars: 50
For me i think the club just haven't gone with the times, probably for not wanting to, but without the help of any investment (money). I mean i see similarities with the club and a high street shop (that also hasn't moved on with the times).  

The Club relies mostly on fans and sponsorship, and a high street shop relies on people coming into the shop.  Alot of high street shops are probably closing due to not generating enough income and the rise of internet shopping.  I think alot that are doing well seem to have there own website to reach out to the wider audience.  

I know the club havent really acted on bringing in fresh investment previously, they did bring in Ollie to the board but i think we need some more, a bit like Lincoln who have builders, estate agents all sorts of different businesses on the board and they contribute not leaving it all to 1 man.  We are behind in terms of technology to other clubs in the same league \ stature mainly because the club do not want to waste money on an aging stadium.  But there are other things like ticket system \ or swipe card (im sure i read something about this).  The current climate just makes things even harder.


[URL=https://imgur.com/VCxdH2Y][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/VCxdH2Ys.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/uMRVvRe][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/uMRVvRes.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/5p7nllT][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/5p7nllTs.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/46BEw5M][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/46BEw5Ms.jpg[/IMG][/URL][URL=https://imgur.com/06NXnQF][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/06NXnQFs.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

My Grimsby Legends
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 23 - 30
KingstonMariner
October 29, 2020, 9:20am
Meths Drinker
Posts: 22,096
Posts Per Day: 6.07
Reputation: 79.33%
Rep Score: +42 / -11
Approval: +23,440
Gold Stars: 218
Quoted from 140067
WE ARE NOT IN DECLINE. WE ARE SLOWLY GOING UP..It looks like Scunthorpe are in decline. They are the one going down the league we have actually risen from the table below. That is not a decline. Some people!


So slow it’s imperceptible. We’ve not made ANY progress since coming back up. We were upper mid-table that first season back and we’ve been lower-mid table since. The only objective measure by which we’ve moved forward is the debt reduction. Which is no bad.


Through the door there came familiar laughter,
I saw your face and heard you call my name.
Oh my friend we're older but no wiser,
For in our hearts the dreams are still the same.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 24 - 30
Mayaman
October 29, 2020, 11:00am
Brandy Drinker
Posts: 2,738
Posts Per Day: 0.92
Reputation: 78.8%
Rep Score: +7 / -2
Approval: +3,400
Gold Stars: 74
Quoted from moosey_club
Will admit to gloating over it. Despise them. Hope they go down, bust and completely out of existence in all honesty.
100% fck em.

I don't get this mentality.  We need local rivals Course, I want us to be better than 'em but local competition is healthy I'd prefer it , if we were all a bit higher up the league.  OUr region of the country is a footballing backwater. It's embarrassing.


Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 25 - 30
rancido
October 29, 2020, 12:28pm

Special Brew Drinker
Posts: 7,502
Posts Per Day: 1.25
Reputation: 80.3%
Rep Score: +41 / -10
Approval: +6,573
Gold Stars: 96
Quoted from 140067
WE ARE NOT IN DECLINE. WE ARE SLOWLY GOING UP..It looks like Scunthorpe are in decline. They are the one going down the league we have actually risen from the table below. That is not a decline. Some people!



Yes, we did decline to non-league and took several seasons to regain our league status but I think there was a high degree of confidence and realisation that we could achieve that return. If Scunthorpe get relegated ( fingers crossed ) then what are their chances of returning to league football ? As much as the present Board ( and JF ) get criticised for our " lack of financial  investment " do you honestly believe that Swann and their Board would be as supportive in getting Scunthorpe back in the league, as we have had? Seeing as Swann had ambitions of getting league status for Gainsborough and then "jumped ship " it is quite possible that with Scunthorpe getting relegated he could simply cut his losses and walk away leaving them with huge debts. I personally think that if Scunthorpe do get relegated then it would be a very long time before they again attained league status. They would join the likes of Bradford P.A.,Darlington, Southport , Stockport, York and countless other ex league teams who for one reason or another have declined into non-league obscurity.


The Future is Black & White.
"The commonest thing on this planet is not water , as some people believe, but stupidity ". Frank Zappa
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 26 - 30
Les Brechin
October 29, 2020, 2:47pm

Moderator
Posts: 23,799
Posts Per Day: 4.17
Reputation: 82.43%
Rep Score: +114 / -24
Location: Grimsby
Approval: +12,709
Gold Stars: 174
Quoted from rancido



Yes, we did decline to non-league and took several seasons to regain our league status but I think there was a high degree of confidence and realisation that we could achieve that return. If Scunthorpe get relegated ( fingers crossed ) then what are their chances of returning to league football ? As much as the present Board ( and JF ) get criticised for our " lack of financial  investment " do you honestly believe that Swann and their Board would be as supportive in getting Scunthorpe back in the league, as we have had? Seeing as Swann had ambitions of getting league status for Gainsborough and then "jumped ship " it is quite possible that with Scunthorpe getting relegated he could simply cut his losses and walk away leaving them with huge debts. I personally think that if Scunthorpe do get relegated then it would be a very long time before they again attained league status. They would join the likes of Bradford P.A.,Darlington, Southport , Stockport, York and countless other ex league teams who for one reason or another have declined into non-league obscurity.


Stockport finally look like having a decent go to get back in the league this season. A good old drinking Town is Stockport with some great pubs and although we haven't got the best of records at Edgeley Park I have one great memory of a 4-2 win there in our promotion season of 1989/90 when they had a player sent off early on and we really won the game twice having been pegged back to 2 all having led 2-0. Chris Hargreaves got our 4th that day IIRC. Must have been at least a couple of thousand Town there that day as we filled the away end behid the goal and half the seats in the side stand too.


[img]https://news.images.itv.com/image/file/402260/image_update_img.jpg[/img]
OFFICIAL FUNDRAISER FOR THE BRAIN TUMOUR CHARITY
TOTAL AMOUNT RAISED SINCE AUGUST 2008 £16613.24


LATEST DONATION - FROM DONATION FROM THE FISHY FORUM - AUG 2023 AMOUNT RAISED £170.00
        
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 27 - 30
Henryscat
October 29, 2020, 3:28pm
Fine Wine Drinker
Posts: 1,207
Posts Per Day: 0.23
Reputation: 86.91%
Rep Score: +5 / 0
Approval: +1,395
Quoted from Les Brechin


Stockport finally look like having a decent go to get back in the league this season. A good old drinking Town is Stockport with some great pubs and although we haven't got the best of records at Edgeley Park I have one great memory of a 4-2 win there in our promotion season of 1989/90 when they had a player sent off early on and we really won the game twice having been pegged back to 2 all having led 2-0. Chris Hargreaves got our 4th that day IIRC. Must have been at least a couple of thousand Town there that day as we filled the away end behid the goal and half the seats in the side stand too.


I live in Stockport and agree about most of the pubs (although I’d personally avoid Edgeley itself)

Memories of Edgeley Park for me are getting absolutely urine wet through on the open terrace and basically forcing our way under the roof down the side. The goalie throwing the ball in the net one FL trophy game and Elding (playing for County) missing an open goal and running to celebrate in front of us.


Panic on the streets of Carlisle, Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 28 - 30
moosey_club
October 29, 2020, 7:08pm
Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 16,183
Posts Per Day: 2.70
Reputation: 76.19%
Rep Score: +69 / -22
Approval: +20,244
Gold Stars: 226
Quoted from Mayaman




Its personal...above and beyond the local rivalry issue .  


2023/24 DLWDDWDLLLWDLLLLWDDDWDLLWLDLLDWDDWLLDWLWLW
2022/23LDWDWWDWLLDWWDLLLDLWLLWLWLLWDDLDWWDDDLLWDWLWLW
2021/22 WDWWWWDLWWWWLLLWLLDLWLLWWDWWWLWDLWWDWWWDLWD play offs WWW Promoted 🥳
2020/21  LLDWWLDLDWLWLLLDLWLLDLLDLLLWLLLDDDDWDDDLWLWLWL .. hello darkness my old friend
2019/20  WDLDWWLDLWWLLLDLDLDLDDWWDLLWDDWWL WLLW - ended
2018/19  LWDDLLLLLLWWDWLLLWDWLWWWWLLLLWWWWDLLLDDLLDLWLW Hello Scunny  
Logged Offline
Private Message
Reply: 29 - 30
Marinerz93
October 30, 2020, 3:35pm

Barley Wine Drinker
Posts: 15,108
Posts Per Day: 2.56
Reputation: 88.22%
Rep Score: +89 / -11
Location: Great Grimsby
Approval: +6,292
Gold Stars: 1
For most of our history we were often leagues above the Scunts and you could put their dislike of us down as green eyed jealousy, however that dislike manifested in to pure venomous hate as they gloated at our decent to the abyss. Some of the comments on that insular ironing bru board were "I hope the Cods go bust and I hope the Cods rot in non league"

All those decades we were above the Scunts, quite a few people would have wanted them and Lincoln to rise up the leagues so we could play them other than that very few people would have given either club any thought let alone any hate towards them, unless it was in the cup or lower down the leagues.

Some on here are just returning the comments back with a wry smile, so intercourse the Scunts and their shitty tin pot club and that rusty sardine can they call a ground, I hope those girl privates fanny64 and ironing man are crying into their coco pops.


Supporting the Mighty Mariners for over 30 years, home town club is were the heart and soul is and it's great to be a part of it.

Jesus’ disciple Peter, picked up a fish to get the tribute money from it, Jesus left his thumb print on the fish, bless'ed is the Haddock.
Logged
Private Message
Reply: 30 - 30
4 Pages 1 2 3 4 All Recommend Thread
Print

Fishy Forum Fishy Boards Archive › Gloating

Back to top of page

This is not an official forum of Grimsby Town Football Club, the opinions expressed are those of the individual authors. If you see an offensive post then click "Report" on the relevant post. Posts will be deleted at the discretion of the moderators whose decision is final. Posts should abide by the Forum Rules. IP addresses of contributors together with dates and times of access are stored. The opinions and viewpoints expressed by contributors to The Fishy are their own and not necessarily those of The Fishy. The Fishy makes no claims that information dispersed through this forum is accurate or reliable. Also The Fishy cannot be held liable for any statements made by contributors of The Fishy.