Leyton Orient

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I was going to add this actually. Sky need the relegation and promotion in and out of the Premier or they don’t have a competition to sell . So everyone else can go fook themselves.
L1&2 could’ve missed a season to protect themselves. It would just mean the championship wouldn’t have had relegation. That would actually have made it even better as every team could’ve really had a go without the threat of relegation to L1

That’s no different to other drivers of decisions since lockdown was eased. It’s all been about driving revenue. Pubs before schools. Pret A Manger before proper test and trace systems.

So did any of the players have symptoms? are any desperately ill?

Surely if they had any symptoms they should have rang in sick like we all do?

I understand some think this Virus is armageddon but its not. fair enough keep your vulnerable tucked away but let it take its path and build some immunity. if we dont we will be in this predicament for decades.
There will be no bloody football

Quoted from monkeyboy

So did any of the players have symptoms? are any desperately ill?

Surely if they had any symptoms they should have rang in sick like we all do?

I understand some think this Virus is armageddon but its not. fair enough keep your vulnerable tucked away but let it take its path and build some immunity. if we dont we will be in this predicament for decades.
There will be no bloody football

I hope you never get Chris Witty's job !

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

I hope you never get Chris Witty's job !

Well hes done a great job, people are so scared its unbelievable. Mental health problems are now a bigger danger to life than the virus and thats been caused by the media.
Seriously though this has got out of hand.  the figures on mortality really dont support the actions taken, the first lockdown yes maybe as they didnt know what they were dealing with.  the mortality rate is now around the same as flu. less than .5 in a hundred fatal.
Complete overkill imo .

Do you like living like this? not doing things like going to the football? having your basic freedoms taken away ?  

Im no conspiracist at all and do believe the virus is here just its not half as bad as first portrait by the media.

Quoted from monkeyboy

Well hes done a great job, people are so scared its unbelievable. Mental health problems are now a bigger danger to life than the virus and thats been caused by the media.
Seriously though this has got out of hand.  the figures on mortality really dont support the actions taken, the first lockdown yes maybe as they didnt know what they were dealing with.  the mortality rate is now around the same as flu. less than .5 in a hundred fatal.
Complete overkill imo .


Do you like living like this? not doing things like going to the football? having your basic freedoms taken away ?  

Im no conspiracist at all and do believe the virus is here just its not half as bad as first portrait by the media.

I’ll reiterate Granthams previous reply 😂😂😂😂

Quoted from monkeyboy

Well hes done a great job, people are so scared its unbelievable. Mental health problems are now a bigger danger to life than the virus and thats been caused by the media.
Seriously though this has got out of hand.  the figures on mortality really dont support the actions taken, the first lockdown yes maybe as they didnt know what they were dealing with.  the mortality rate is now around the same as flu. less than .5 in a hundred fatal.
Complete overkill imo .

Do you like living like this? not doing things like going to the football? having your basic freedoms taken away ?  

Im no conspiracist at all and do believe the virus is here just its not half as bad as first portrait by the media.

For those of us in a more vulnerable category, football and going for a pint can fook right off for now.

For what it’s worth here’s my take on how dangerous Covid is.
In a bad flu year there can be up to 20,000 deaths . If the government locked down like this year there would probably be a couple of thousand.
In a bad pandemic year 😂 like this total lockdown still led to nearly 50,000 .
That’s how seriously it should be taken .

Quoted from monkeyboy

Well hes done a great job, people are so scared its unbelievable. Mental health problems are now a bigger danger to life than the virus and thats been caused by the media.
Seriously though this has got out of hand.  the figures on mortality really dont support the actions taken, the first lockdown yes maybe as they didnt know what they were dealing with.  the mortality rate is now around the same as flu. less than .5 in a hundred fatal.
Complete overkill imo .

Do you like living like this? not doing things like going to the football? having your basic freedoms taken away ?  

Im no conspiracist at all and do believe the virus is here just its not half as bad as first portrait by the media.

It's clearly a divisive issue - how dangerous this virus is. Look, 2020 has been shít - I'd love to have a proper holiday, to go down the pub in a normal environment, to go to watch Town, Christ - to be in the bloody office (and I never thought I'd say that)! The reality is, this virus may not be armageddon for each and every one of us but it's serious enough to warrant action being taken.

At it's peak, it was responsible for almost 10,000 additional deaths per week in the UK:

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Let's not forget, that figure peaked there only because the entire nation went into total hibernation, something none of us want to experience again. I don't dispute that there are some issues with how deaths were attributed to Covid-19, or that deaths weren't also caused by denial of urgent medical treatment or the impact on mental health caused by the pandemic. And yeah, you can argue that it was mainly the old and infirm that were taken down - but that's mainly, there were still enough others who weren't already sat in God's waiting room who lost their lives.

The reason that hospitalisations remain relatively low right now (albeit both are rising) is that case numbers and therefore viral load in the community are at a fraction of where they were in March, irrespective of what graphs in the media tell you (testing levels back then are incomparable). But by default the virus spreads exponentially. The reality is this; left to its own devices the virus will simply kill too many people to turn a blind eye.

The more out of hand you let it get in the first place, as we did in the Spring, the tougher the actions have to be to stop its spread. Having to go into a full lockdown again would be cataclysmic for our economy. The cruel irony is that young people are the most immune to Covid 19's physical effects, but most vulnerable to its knock-on economic impact.

Perhaps that's their frustration, and that's understandable. But there is a societal duty to not let tens if not hundreds of thousands of people die unnecessarily. We wouldn't accept it in the face of a more visible, definable threat such as terrorism, so why this?

This is by no means a nod in favour of our government. I think they've handled 99% of this abhorrently and are continuing to make a mess. My argument is merely that the notion that we should be able to crack on with our lives as we did prior to March of this year is dangerously flawed.

I want my life back as much as anyone. I also want my mum and dad to be around for as long as possible, too.

Quoted from ginnywings

For those of us in a more vulnerable category, football and going for a pint can fook right off for now.

i find myself in the vulnerable category Ginny, in terms of going for a pint i couldnt give a intercourse, but return of football i was really looking forward too, something to focus your mind on. just another kick in the teeth but i can see why its had to be put in place, i just want the club to survive

Quoted from Hagrid

i find myself in the vulnerable category Ginny, in terms of going for a pint i couldnt give a intercourse, but return of football i was really looking forward too, something to focus your mind on. just another kick in the teeth but i can see why its had to be put in place, i just want the club to survive

I know where you are coming from. It's akin to when I had to stop playing footy due to injury. I was gutted for months, probably years afterward, but other things come along to fill the gaps. Hill walking for me.

Love to watch Town of a weekend, but if there's no game, I'm off into the wilds.

The club will survive. The fans won't allow it to die.