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League 1 and 2 clubs have voted for the salary cap. That has to be good news for GTFC and not so good for those paying over the odds and bankrolling clubs without the fanbase to sustain it. Mentioning no names!
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It's not about whether it favours us or not. It's about giving everyone the best chance of surviving the coming season without having to sacrifice competitiveness to teams that can continue to spend normally.
There will be controversies but this is the fairest way to financially organise the lower leagues right now.
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Agreed. If it doesn’t favour us it certainly doesn’t handicap us, and, although not perfect, is as close to a level playing field as we can get in these weird times.
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League 1 and 2 clubs have voted for the salary cap. That has to be good news for GTFC and not so good for those paying over the odds and bankrolling clubs without the fanbase to sustain it. Mentioning no names!
Sorry, but you have that totally wrong. It is fantastic for the clubs with limited means and are bankrolled as the bigger clubs are restricted and it will cost less to match them. Expect the PFA to make their move now. Expect a vote on industrial action shortly.
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For reference, our total wage bill (all staff, including pensions) for the 18/19 season was £2.77m. I will assume that the vast majority of that goes to playing staff.
The cap is set at £1.5m, which means our wage budget could be reduced by up to 45%.
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I don't quite get the bit about what happens on relegation - it says "moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire"
Does that mean that if next season 3 clubs come down from L1 into L2, if they have players on 2/3 yr contracts + then they are still set at the £2.5m cap?
I might be totally wrong but doesn't that make it anything but a fair playing field given the gulf in the wage caps between divisions?
Do you end up with a group of teams that are the serial promotion/relegation teams between L1 and L2 in that case?
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I don't quite get the bit about what happens on relegation - it says "moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire"
Does that mean that if next season 3 clubs come down from L1 into L2, if they have players on 2/3 yr contracts + then they are still set at the £2.5m cap?
I might be totally wrong but doesn't that make it anything but a fair playing field given the gulf in the wage caps between divisions?
Do you end up with a group of teams that are the serial promotion/relegation teams between L1 and L2 in that case?
I read that if a team comes down with players 1 year into a 3 year deal then they operate at the higher wage cap until those players are no longer on that contract which could be 2 full seasons. It should be effective immediately on relegation and players should have wage reductions written into their contract. Without that, you end up with Jack Rodwell playing reserve team football in League 1 for £70k per week.
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What about existing contracts?
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I might be wrong with a few assumptions and calculations here but I’m guessing that the budget applies to a playing squad. Working it out on an inflated squad of 24 players that would be just over £1,200 a week per player, which when you consider a good number of those at this level will be youngsters on around £300-£400 a week that leaves a lot of room for clubs to spend big on quite a lot of others? Again unless I’ve got it completely wrong.
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Sunderland fans going apeshit on twitter. Calling to boycott any clubs who voted for it. That lot could have a salary cap of £5 billion and they’d still fcuk it up.
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The League One and League Two salary cap will be the beginning of the end for clubs like ours. However well-intentioned to try and combat the temporary financial consequences of Covid and the ineffectiveness of the EFL's policing of FFP, it is a complete farce that will bring huge negative changes for the fans of many clubs in those divisions.
Looking at it macroeconomically, the EFL Leagues One and Two aren't the only leagues in the world that can offer that standard of player a wage, the quality will certainly drop as players look to ply their trade abroad or pick up more money in Scotland or even non-league. Everyone goes on about a level playing field as if it's fair.. but it isn't. Why should a club with income like Portsmouth not be able pay more for players than Rochdale? Why should a club that's been really good at raising external investment and adept at attracting a new fanbase like Lincoln be restricted to offering the same player wages as a club like ours if we were in the same division? And why should a club like Harrogate who will be able to meet the 1.5m wage cap due to visiting fan income (when they return) be able to compete on level financial terms with us? And further down the road doesn't it make us even more vulnerable as a club by setting the wage cap so low than pretty much every Conference club and some below that will be able to compete with us on a level playing field? Clubs like ours could have one bad season and never return to the EFL and the EFL could be filled with Harrogates, Fyldes, Ebbsfleets and Solihulls. If all wages are going to be the same then players will pick their clubs on where they want to live rather than the club's potential because every club's potential will be the same. Where would that leave us? Travel to work costs will become even more of a game changer if wages are much lower.
And then there would be the greater reliance on clubs like ours loaning players from the bigger clubs giving them even more power and us reaching out for handout bowls more than ever before. Special feeder club relationships will form as bigger clubs will be able to offer players at a snip of their salary to their favoured lower league club.
And finally.. with restrictions like this in place, how long will it be before the Championship clubs break away to form a Premier League Two because a drop into League One would mean a club like Stoke or Sheffield Wednesday wouldn't be able to out-compete a Harrogate or Crawley? Where would it leave the ambitions of our club like ours? Why would any child in NE Lincs choose to support GTFC if the limit of aspiration would be a salary capped tilt at the League One title with nowhere else to progress upwards as we'll not meet the criteria of a Premier League Two in the unlikely event of a promotion spot offered? It's ok for the current core of our fanbase to have a weakened club to watch for the last decade or two of their lives, but what about the kids and what about the future of our club when this board has long gone? Where would the attractiveness of taking over a club be if the investors couldn't effect any real change on the pitch?
Better governance is needed at the EFL rather than unprogressive clubs like our crassly trying to grab a level playing field because it suits their lack of ability in certain areas or because they arrogantly believe their way is the only way to run a football club. Salary caps seem like a feasible short term fix but they will lead to a long term demise for the game we love in this country and it will adversely affect more than the odd Bury now again and millions of fans across the length and breadth of this country. I'm ashamed that our club has put itself at the forefront of a move to salary caps..Our board can choose to spend within its own means for our club to survive under their tenure (which will eventually end at some time in the future) if it wants to, but imposing a rule on more progressive clubs or clubs with higher incomes than ours is morally wrong in my opinion..It's grabbing an advantage by holding others back..and eventually it will hold boards of GTFC back in the future too by being unable to tap into the potential of our fanbase and invest it into the product on the pitch..
League One and League Two football is being unnecesarily ruined before our very eyes under the veil of "good governance". I'm nearly done with it and how our board seem intent on dragging us to the lowest common denominator. Mark my words in a few years time.. this vote will be a dark day for English football and GTFC..
We already have rules in place so clubs can't over extend themselves. The EFL are ineffective in enforcing that, so why bring in another rule that is not needed, puts League One and League Two clubs at a disadvantage to the rest of the world, and i guess the EFL will struggle to enforce the wage cap like FFP. Back to the old days of brown paper envelopes and "jobs" for the wives and girlfiends then..
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Our Chairman has already stated before this vote, that GTFC have their own unofficial cap of £1.5 million anyway, so the fact that it has now been voted in doesn't change our clubs way of operating one bit. We have proven in years gone by that we don't spend beyond our means, and it isnt going to start now. Ollie will have known this when he joined the club so will have known all along what Fenty, and now Day, were willing to give him for transfers and wages etc.
Only TWO teams voted against it in our league, so that goes to prove that League 2 Chairman's across the land are probably now happy that they don't have to dig any deeper in their pockets, just to fork out for 'just one more striker'
The EFL said the cap would cover basic wages, taxes, bonuses, image rights, agents’ fees and other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
At least they have covered all the bases so the chances of clubs offering lower wages with the offer of expenses and bonuses at the end of a season all has to be taken into consideration.
I hope they keep a tight eye on clubs finances and fine any clubs that try to work their way round it.
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So Scunthorpe have signed 6 players already say on £100,000 each a year, but for working out their salary cap those six players are only counted as earning £75,000 a year (Average for league two), as are any player still under contract that earns more than £75,000 a year.
So the teams relegated from league one could have 10 players under contract on £200,000 a year each (£2,000,000 total) but that will only be counted as £125,000 each (£1,250,000) for there salary cap, so they could still sign more players as they would still have £250,000 left of their cap! So little league two club can only spend £1,500,00 on players, but the relegated club could spent £2,250,00. That's a extra £750,000, 50% more!
I know this is an extreme case but it shows how unfair a salary cab could be.
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Our Chairman has already stated before this vote, that GTFC have their own unofficial cap of £1.5 million anyway, so the fact that it has now been voted in doesn't change our clubs way of operating one bit. We have proven in years gone by that we don't spend beyond our means, and it isnt going to start now. Ollie will have known this when he joined the club so will have known all along what Fenty, and now Day, were willing to give him for transfers and wages etc.
Only TWO teams voted against it in our league, so that goes to prove that League 2 Chairman's across the land are probably now happy that they don't have to dig any deeper in their pockets, just to fork out for 'just one more striker'
The EFL said the cap would cover basic wages, taxes, bonuses, image rights, agents’ fees and other fees and expenses paid directly or indirectly to all registered players.
At least they have covered all the bases so the chances of clubs offering lower wages with the offer of expenses and bonuses at the end of a season all has to be taken into consideration.
I hope they keep a tight eye on clubs finances and fine any clubs that try to work their way round it.
I know what you're saying here is right, but where is this money coming from? We've sold ZERO season tickets, and don't even know who the 1st game is against, OR whether fans will be allowed in at all for the entire season. One thing I would query is whether the players are still on furlough? I know people will say no, but are they working, really? Presumably businesses get their employees to work to bring in money, but they're not playing football for the next 2 months so are contributing nothing in reality. They've been training at home for 5 months and that didn't count as work, so do the club actually have to pay the players right now? I'd imagine the answer is yes, but it seems unfair on football clubs.
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Whoever voted for this has just signed a death warrant for the lower leagues . Well done guys .
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Just another way that leagues 1 and 2 will be cast adrift in the ever widening gap from top to bottom of the English game. How can it be right that we have 1.5 million to spend on an entire squad for an entire season, yet one Premier League player can "earn" that amount in one month and he is just one player in a massive squad. It's completely fooked up and will just make it even harder to aspire to anything other than dicking around the lower reaches on a par with teams that once wouldn't have been anywhere near us. It just reflects society today where the rich get richer and the poor can fook off. I'm about done with football.
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Just another way that leagues 1 and 2 will be cast adrift in the ever widening gap from top to bottom of the English game. How can it be right that we have 1.5 million to spend on an entire squad for an entire season, yet one Premier League player can "earn" that amount in one month and he is just one player in a massive squad. It's completely fooked up and will just make it even harder to aspire to anything other than dicking around the lower reaches on a par with teams that once wouldn't have been anywhere near us. It just reflects society today where the rich get richer and the poor can fook off. I'm about done with football.
Leave the premier league to the tourists. It means absolutely intercourse all to me.
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Leave the premier league to the tourists. It means absolutely intercourse all to me.
It is devouring the game whether you ignore it or not. Our league will be full of young loanees from there, graciously offered on the cheap. I can foresee a time when half the team or more are not our players.
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It is devouring the game whether you ignore it or not. Our league will be full of young loanees from there, graciously offered on the cheap. I can foresee a time when half the team or more are not our players.
There are far more lower league fans than prem fans. The sooner they cut themselves off the better imo. I didn’t actually notice the lack of crowds at the restart of the season. The only thing I missed was hundreds of flashes from camera phones whenever there was a corner.
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Correct me if I am wrong but the system used before said the club could spend 50% of any income they generated on players salary.
What was wrong with that ?
If we had increased crowds and sold a player for a million we could sign a player of two that might not be possible under the new ruling.
So say we make a two million profit one year after having a good cup run and increased crowds because we were near the top of the league what can we spend the money on ?
Looking at the local rag down here Ipswich fans are moaning about L1 cap of 2.5 million the present squad or last season's are on between 5 to 6 million.
Average in the championship is round about 16 to 18 million a very big jump so we not on our own who think this cap is not the way forward.
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The League One and League Two salary cap will be the beginning of the end for clubs like ours. However well-intentioned to try and combat the temporary financial consequences of Covid and the ineffectiveness of the EFL's policing of FFP, it is a complete farce that will bring huge negative changes for the fans of many clubs in those divisions.
Looking at it macroeconomically, the EFL Leagues One and Two aren't the only leagues in the world that can offer that standard of player a wage, the quality will certainly drop as players look to ply their trade abroad or pick up more money in Scotland or even non-league. Everyone goes on about a level playing field as if it's fair.. but it isn't. Why should a club with income like Portsmouth not be able pay more for players than Rochdale? Why should a club that's been really good at raising external investment and adept at attracting a new fanbase like Lincoln be restricted to offering the same player wages as a club like ours if we were in the same division? And why should a club like Harrogate who will be able to meet the 1.5m wage cap due to visiting fan income (when they return) be able to compete on level financial terms with us? And further down the road doesn't it make us even more vulnerable as a club by setting the wage cap so low than pretty much every Conference club and some below that will be able to compete with us on a level playing field? Clubs like ours could have one bad season and never return to the EFL and the EFL could be filled with Harrogates, Fyldes, Ebbsfleets and Solihulls. If all wages are going to be the same then players will pick their clubs on where they want to live rather than the club's potential because every club's potential will be the same. Where would that leave us? Travel to work costs will become even more of a game changer if wages are much lower.
And then there would be the greater reliance on clubs like ours loaning players from the bigger clubs giving them even more power and us reaching out for handout bowls more than ever before. Special feeder club relationships will form as bigger clubs will be able to offer players at a snip of their salary to their favoured lower league club.
And finally.. with restrictions like this in place, how long will it be before the Championship clubs break away to form a Premier League Two because a drop into League One would mean a club like Stoke or Sheffield Wednesday wouldn't be able to out-compete a Harrogate or Crawley? Where would it leave the ambitions of our club like ours? Why would any child in NE Lincs choose to support GTFC if the limit of aspiration would be a salary capped tilt at the League One title with nowhere else to progress upwards as we'll not meet the criteria of a Premier League Two in the unlikely event of a promotion spot offered? It's ok for the current core of our fanbase to have a weakened club to watch for the last decade or two of their lives, but what about the kids and what about the future of our club when this board has long gone? Where would the attractiveness of taking over a club be if the investors couldn't effect any real change on the pitch?
Better governance is needed at the EFL rather than unprogressive clubs like our crassly trying to grab a level playing field because it suits their lack of ability in certain areas or because they arrogantly believe their way is the only way to run a football club. Salary caps seem like a feasible short term fix but they will lead to a long term demise for the game we love in this country and it will adversely affect more than the odd Bury now again and millions of fans across the length and breadth of this country. I'm ashamed that our club has put itself at the forefront of a move to salary caps..Our board can choose to spend within its own means for our club to survive under their tenure (which will eventually end at some time in the future) if it wants to, but imposing a rule on more progressive clubs or clubs with higher incomes than ours is morally wrong in my opinion..It's grabbing an advantage by holding others back..and eventually it will hold boards of GTFC back in the future too by being unable to tap into the potential of our fanbase and invest it into the product on the pitch..
League One and League Two football is being unnecesarily ruined before our very eyes under the veil of "good governance". I'm nearly done with it and how our board seem intent on dragging us to the lowest common denominator. Mark my words in a few years time.. this vote will be a dark day for English football and GTFC..
We already have rules in place so clubs can't over extend themselves. The EFL are ineffective in enforcing that, so why bring in another rule that is not needed, puts League One and League Two clubs at a disadvantage to the rest of the world, and i guess the EFL will struggle to enforce the wage cap like FFP. Back to the old days of brown paper envelopes and "jobs" for the wives and girlfiends then..
This...why introduce more things the EFL won’t be able to implement or regulate effectively...
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Correct me if I am wrong but the system used before said the club could spend 50% of any income they generated on players salary.
What was wrong with that ?
If we had increased crowds and sold a player for a million we could sign a player of two that might not be possible under the new ruling.
So say we make a two million profit one year after having a good cup run and increased crowds because we were near the top of the league what can we spend the money on ?
Looking at the local rag down here Ipswich fans are moaning about L1 cap of 2.5 million the present squad or last season's are on between 5 to 6 million.
Average in the championship is round about 16 to 18 million a very big jump so we not on our own who think this cap is not the way forward.
I think the wider picture is just because a club has a current wage bill of x amount ...it doesnt actually mean it can afford to pay it. It is trying to stop overspending and clubs eventually going bust. The massive gulf in finance created by the Premier League and subsequently top half of the Championship is changing football from a matter of pride and local passion into a global financial arena Saw a brief interview with a chief of the Faroe Islands F.A and Gibraltar F.A the other week and they are witnessing a similar effect in their domestic game , Gibraltar teams eligible to play in European cup competitions I think and as a result already the local previous almost pub teams are rapidly changing on and off field and happy to trample over their old friends and neighbours to get there.
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Sorry, but you have that totally wrong. It is fantastic for the clubs with limited means and are bankrolled as the bigger clubs are restricted and it will cost less to match them.
Expect the PFA to make their move now. Expect a vote on industrial action shortly.
PFA says salary caps in Leagues One and Two are “unlawful and unenforceable” and has served notice of arbitration on the EFL.
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Judging by the financial mess the Championship is in the EFL should’ve put a salary cap on it , not L1 & 2
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You don't kill a snake by going for it's tail.
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Out of interest, how many of you help to fund the disparity with your Sky Sports/BT Sports subscriptions?
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Virgin have done an offer for £6 a month extra on our subsciption to add Sky Sports, BT Sport is already included. I love test cricket so it's a no brainer. If it was possible to opt out of providing any funding for Premiership / Championship League football I would gladly do it.
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I haven't got any sports packages and wouldn't pay for anything Murdoch was involved with apart from the Prem aspect of it. I'm also a massive fan of Test cricket and missed a great Test match finish today, but hey ho!
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I haven't got any sports packages and wouldn't pay for anything Murdoch was involved with apart from the Prem aspect of it. I'm also a massive fan of Test cricket and missed a great Test match finish today, but hey ho!
I get very tense on Test match days like today so I switched the TV off and went out with my headphones listening to TMS - that's how I did the final hour of the Stokes Ashes test so why change a winning formula...
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I get very tense on Test match days like today so I switched the TV off and went out with my headphones listening to TMS - that's how I did the final hour of the Stokes Ashes test so why change a winning formula...
I was at Headingley that day. One of the most exciting things I’ve ever seen sport wise. Defies description.
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I was at Headingley that day. One of the most exciting things I’ve ever seen sport wise. Defies description.
Incredible combination of outrageous talent, concentration and stamina...including putting the Aussies under so much pressure that they wasted their last review, talent like that creates your own "luck"; the greatest single sporting thing in my lifetime, ...apart from the goals by Micky Brolly, Jim Dobbin and Phil Jevons of course...
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Was worth the Sky subscription for the test match alone today, no sound tho' Sky picture TMS commentary I just wish TMS could poach Bungle!
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I like any sort of cricket so the sky subscription is worth it alone.
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Was worth the Sky subscription for the test match alone today, no sound tho' Sky picture TMS commentary I just wish TMS could poach Bungle!
[img]https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NINTCHDBPICT000506359393-e1563400553645.jpg[/img] Here he is with Alison Mitchell
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The picture that eventually did for him during Yewtree. Dirty sodomist.
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Approximating the weight of her left breast by the look of it.
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I think the auto-spellcheck must have been in action somewhere - TMS need to poach "bumble" - aka David Lloyd, a Stanley man...or the Arlott of Accrington. If he'd been in the TMS commentary box with John Arlott that would be as close as you could have got to radio bliss...
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I could sit in the garden watching the rain fall down or I could watch football on the telly . I choose football.
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I haven't got any sports packages and wouldn't pay for anything Murdoch was involved with apart from the Prem aspect of it. I'm also a massive fan of Test cricket and missed a great Test match finish today, but hey ho!
Same. Never had sky, never will.
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I haven't got any sports packages and wouldn't pay for anything Murdoch was involved with apart from the Prem aspect of it. I'm also a massive fan of Test cricket and missed a great Test match finish today, but hey ho!
Same mate. I love cricket too but I'd rather miss out and listen to TMS, than give Murdoch any of my money. Just find it sad that millions of lower league football fans have been happily shooting their own interests in the foot since 92 and continue to do so. Plenty of decent streams out there.
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Hours and hours of football a week, cricket when I can and nearly all of the golf plus boxing and occasional NFL and NBA for me. It goes into Murdoch’s pocket but I’m intelligent enough not to read any of his papers to gain a political view and vote against his preferred party anyway. I watch probably 30hrs of sport a week and can’t be arsed finding a stream for all of it.
Gripping day at the Test yesterday and a nicely balanced championship Sunday at the PGA Championship tonight worth this weeks fee.
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Do those who refuse to purchase a subscription boycott public houses that have sport?
I appreciate it’s a personal thing but to be honest I’m not sure if a few people refusing to purchase Sky sport is likely to have any impact. Whilst it’s clear TV money funds the lavish and ridiculous signings but so do the millions of shirt sales, advertising, betting and so forth.
Sky won’t be the only platform eventually, once football realises that individual club type subscriptions could/should exist and explore the varying platforms for streaming, Netflix, Prime and so forth then it’ll literally be everywhere. Do those people not have a prime account? Streaming illegally doesn’t actually take money away from Sky either.
I personally couldn’t bottom myself to intercourse about looking for some illegal stream for 20 minutes before a game of some sort. As many have pointed out; sky sport, whilst appearing predominantly football, actually offers sports fans the best package. Cricket, golf, darts, Rugby League just to name a few...
We can all agree that the premier league doesn’t seemingly operate in the real world but some might argue that none of football really does, all that changes is the numbers. Fact is, not a single football fan wouldn’t want their team to get in to the top flight. Any that say they wouldn’t are either lying or have zero expectation. You can be realistic and say it’s unlikely my team will get there but football is about success and moving forward and competing against the best (I appreciate this is really the mantra of GTFC and a couple of other clubs who are happy just to exist).
Constantly bemoaning the premier league must get tiresome? It is what it is, it’s not going anywhere and actually bigger, wider issues in and around football than the premier league itself.
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Yes I do boycott pubs with Sky Sports. Usually full of chavvy tossers in Prem shirts, most of whom have never been anywhere near the ground of the team they are "supporting".
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You don’t ‘have’ to root around looking for a stream for 20 mins..you just buy a digibox and it works in the same way as normal tv. I understand both arguments re Murdock/Prem and giving money too, as well as those who don’t wish too.
Personally I’m a sports fanatic, anything and everything - but can’t afford to pay the costs and add ons, ie box office - so I watch via streams on my digibox.
Morally there’ll be those who scream and shout ‘but that’s wrong’ etc - maybe it is, maybe it isn’t - but you do what’s best for you in these precarious times.
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Yes I do boycott pubs with Sky Sports. Usually full of chavvy tossers in Prem shirts, most of whom have never been anywhere near the ground of the team they are "supporting".
I have a couple of pub mates in Cleethorpes that support Chelsea in the pub on the TV only. They've never been to Stamford Bridge, they didn't even take the opportunity to go there on the cheap when Town went there last season.
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How do season long loans fare in all this?
If we get a player on loan who is on half a million a year, but we only pay 50 grand for the loan deal then does the 50 grand only count ? If that is the case, Salford for example, using their Man U.connections could have players on loan whose wages would take their total salary several times the salary cap. It will mean that clubs will use loans more and more.
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But they'd still only be able to have 5 of them in the matchday squad.
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Yeah, but those 5 salaries could total the £1.5 million salary cap on their own.
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