David Jones

https://upthemariners.co.uk/20.....NIT2h5WcMpRtg9NjyW8A

on facebook .Anyone know how reliable (or not) this site is?

To be honest I hope not...another OAP looking for a final pay day...think Joley should be setting an age limit at 32 ...

His name keeps getting bandied about,  the jolley connection could be why, we need to replace the experience we've lost so I think it'd be an ideal signing for us in that sense just like Welsh when he came though, very little gametime this season so I'd be worried about fitness

Far too many parallels to Welsh for me. Decent pedigree at youth level, carved out a decent career in the second tier but now in his mid-thirties and has barely played over the past couple of years.

Not for me.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To be honest I hope not...another OAP looking for a final pay day...think Joley should be setting an age limit at 32 ...

Danny Collins was a model professional though I think the key is looking at how much they've played the season before, if you've only played a couple of games the entire season before like Jones and Welsh, it's gonna be far harder to get going again at that age than it will be for elliot Whitehouse I'd have thought

Always concerning when an older player hasn't played much the season before. Especially if it's a midfielder who needs to have some mobility, not like Welsh who could barely move about the pitch. I would steer clear of this one if it was me but I guess we'll see.

He won't come cheap, and do we really want to blow a decent portion of our budget on another midfielder in the same mold as Clifton and Hessenthaler?

He's a player that Jolley knows well and will know all about his fitness levels. He doesn't appear to have had any serious injury problems like some of the journeyman we've had. We need a bit of experience in the middle of the park to help our youngsters. Dropping down from the championship he will find the game is a lot slower than he is use to so should adapt well if he stays clear of injuries. Trust Jolleys judgement

Too old. We need young hungry up and coming players not those on their last footballing legs.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Too old. We need young hungry up and coming players not those on their last footballing legs.

Let’s be honest we’ve got quite a few of the above. Nothing wrong with adding abit of experience alongside it.

34 isn’t what it used to be now with the modern game and all the sport science.

Quoted from Mariner93er

He won't come cheap, and do we really want to blow a decent portion of our budget on another midfielder in the same mold as Clifton and Hessenthaler?

I think he's a more creative type midfielder but others on here will know more

"Dutch side Heracles have offered 34 year old midfielder David Jones a one year deal after his release from Sheffield Wednesday" it says on an owl site. Might be as wrong as the rumour he's coming here ffs!

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

To be honest I hope not...another OAP looking for a final pay day...think Joley should be setting an age limit at 32 ...

So if Yaya Toure popped his head round the BP door, you'd tell him "On yer bike pal"?

Wonder what Davey Jones has got in his locker.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Wonder what Davey Jones has got in his locker.

If you think he's coming here you must be a Daydream Believer

Quoted from malkamalka

So if Yaya Toure popped his head round the BP door, you'd tell him "On yer bike pal"?

Somehow don't think that comparison can be used..it's like comparing Skoda to Ferrari... someone offered me a 34 year old Skoda I'd tell en thanks but no thanks, offer me a 37 year old Ferrari I'd certainly not turn that down..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Somehow don't think that comparison can be used..it's like comparing Skoda to Ferrari... someone offered me a 34 year old Skoda I'd tell en thanks but no thanks, offer me a 37 year old Ferrari I'd certainly not turn that down..

We'll probably end up with a 37 year old Reliant Robin.

Quoted from promotion plaice

We'll probably end up with a 37 year old Reliant Robin.

With a flat front tyre, a sign in the window saying "tax in the post" and T.I.T on the side panels!!..

We get rid of the olduns with one hand and bring them back with the next. Alan Buckley will most likely be the next----but

You knows if he'll be a good or bad player everyone is different. Every successful team has an experienced midfielder?

Can’t really see him coming here for 1500 a week so probably not worth a thread . I’d rather we spent £££ on a couple of young cast off strikers from prem teams that have the potential and desire to make a career.

Doesnt look like he plays that many games wherever he goes but has a few promotions on his cv. Injured and bit part is his most recent addition to the cv so not excited at the prospect.

Quoted from Ipswin

If you think he's coming here you must be a Daydream Believer

Well if he turns out a duffer then I hope he isn't on The Last Train To Clarkesville

I think he still got something left in his locker

Commuting from South Yorks perhaps? Has its attractions if the money was right.

I can understand MJ wanting someone on the park with presence to gee up the others. But that means organising the team around one player again.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I think he still got something left in his locker

Oooh, very deep that one Pete

Quoted from RoboCod

Oooh, very deep that one Pete

That would mean he’s going to ‘ull.

Certainly not for me - too old for what we need. We need somebody about 30 years old, from a higher level and who wants a club for his last 3 or 4 years at league level. Somebody like Disley when he came here.

I think there's a role for an experienced ball player alongside Clifton and Hessenthaler in the middle. My main concern (like most)  would be the whole fitness thing.

Quoted from rancido

Certainly not for me - too old for what we need. We need somebody about 30 years old, from a higher level and who wants a club for his last 3 or 4 years at league level. Somebody like Disley when he came here.

Or another Garry Birtles...👍👍

Obviously his age is a risk but just because he's 34 that doesn't mean hes automatically past it and he will be John Welsh MK II, look at James Coppinger, Neal Bishop, David Perkins, and to a lesser extent Kevin Ellison and even Danny Whittaker when he played in non league, all late 30s but still do a job.

If he did join us I wonder whether this would be a sort of Sam Russell signing. Could be Jolley is exploring different ways of expanding the non-playing staff?

Could be Jones would be seen as a player coach. Complete speculation of course on my part, but it would seem odd to sign a player who just like Welsh has basically not played football last season.

Having said that he did make 20 starts out of his 27 Championship appearances in 2017-18. Mostly in the first half of the season, since Wednesday changed manager in December 2017 he has been out the side essentially. So it might be different to Welsh, could be the new manager (at the time Jos Luhukay) did not fancy him.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.u.....1#gesamt  (for a detailed view of his playing stats).

Quoted from Malta_Mariner_90

If he did join us I wonder whether this would be a sort of Sam Russell signing. Could be Jolley is exploring different ways of expanding the non-playing staff?

Could be Jones would be seen as a player coach. Complete speculation of course on my part, but it would seem odd to sign a player who just like Welsh has basically not played football last season.

Having said that he did make 20 starts out of his 27 Championship appearances in 2017-18. Mostly in the first half of the season, since Wednesday changed manager in December 2017 he has been out the side essentially. So it might be different to Welsh, could be the new manager (at the time Jos Luhukay) did not fancy him.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.u.....1#gesamt  (for a detailed view of his playing stats).

Difficult to find a positive comment from Owls fans. 'horrendous' and 'Burnley had our pants down' are typical comments. We already have one midfielder who has not played for a year. If MJ thinks that knowing him from a previous club is insurance then it would not have the 'ring' of confidence for me.

Quoted from Croxton

Difficult to find a positive comment from Owls fans. 'horrendous' and 'Burnley had our pants down' are typical comments. We already have one midfielder who has not played for a year. If MJ thinks that knowing him from a previous club is insurance then it would not have the 'ring' of confidence for me.

Ah, I was not aware of such positive feedback from the Wednesday fans.  

Quoted from Croxton

Difficult to find a positive comment from Owls fans. 'horrendous' and 'Burnley had our pants down' are typical comments. We already have one midfielder who has not played for a year. If MJ thinks that knowing him from a previous club is insurance then it would not have the 'ring' of confidence for me.

Wednesday are 2 league's above us... if they had any of our players, they would get labelled the same.

I've seen him play a few times actually, and he is/was a very good footballer

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Wednesday are 2 league's above us... if they had any of our players, they would get labelled the same.

I've seen him play a few times actually, and he is/was a very good footballer

Was is probably the correct tense.

Quoted from mariner91

Was is probably the correct tense.

Based on what?

Disley still played for us at 35, and his career never went higher than league 1.

Jones has never been lower than league 1... around 250 games in championship, over 100 in the premiership.... yet we are still writing him off because of the Welsh signing...

My Wednesday supporting mates don’t really have a positive word to say….but then Rotherham fans were all telling us how terrible Danny Collins was when he came to us.

He was probably older (?) than Jones when he first signed with us and at least in those first two seasons did a really good job for us, as well as seemingly being a good character in the dressing room.

Let’s see eh.

You never know he might be a Star Man.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

You never know he might be a Star Man.

Took me nearly 5 years to get that one.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Based on what?

Disley still played for us at 35, and his career never went higher than league 1.

Jones has never been lower than league 1... around 250 games in championship, over 100 in the premiership.... yet we are still writing him off because of the Welsh signing...

Disley joined us at the age of 30, pretty much his prime. And played continuously for those years. Jones has played 2 games in the last year. So either he's been injured or completely out of favour. He's only played 67 games since the age of 30, whereas Disley played around 200. Even if he hasn't been injured, it's not easy for a midfielder to get back to full fitness and mobility at the age of nearly 35. It's different if you're a defender or keeper where you don't necessarily have to have much mobility but if you're unable to get around the pitch as a midfielder, you've got to be much, much better on the ball than the level you're playing at or you become a liability. Who knows, he could sign and be ace but we've been stung very recently with a similar type of signing so I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic personally.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Based on what?

Disley still played for us at 35, and his career never went higher than league 1.

Jones has never been lower than league 1... around 250 games in championship, over 100 in the premiership.... yet we are still writing him off because of the Welsh signing...

But Disley was 29 ( ? ) when he joined us, still had a few years left and proved it. Jones is one year younger than Dis when he went non-league. I know Jones has experienced playing two league higher than us but not that many games in the last couple of seasons. He may be experience but so was Clarke when Slade signed him and I would rather have kept Pearson than bring in Clarke. I just feel that at 34 we would only really get 1 possibly good season out of Jones and then what? Find another experienced but ageing replacement? Too old for me and not a player who you could be the basis of a future promotion achieving team.

Quoted from mariner91

Disley joined us at the age of 30, pretty much his prime. And played continuously for those years. Jones has played 2 games in the last year. So either he's been injured or completely out of favour. He's only played 67 games since the age of 30, whereas Disley played around 200. Even if he hasn't been injured, it's not easy for a midfielder to get back to full fitness and mobility at the age of nearly 35. It's different if you're a defender or keeper where you don't necessarily have to have much mobility but if you're unable to get around the pitch as a midfielder, you've got to be much, much better on the ball than the level you're playing at or you become a liability. Who knows, he could sign and be ace but we've been stung very recently with a similar type of signing so I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic personally.

That is the nail on the head. Unless there is some other backroom role for him as well I too would be very dubious about his fitness and reluctant to spend any of our minuscule budget on him.

At no point have I said he will be a great signing, be our best player, but you can't say he will be crap because he's old?

5 pages on conjecture and a summation...we really need to get some signings in to have a "real" discussion...

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

At no point have I said he will be a great signing, be our best player, but you can't say he will be crap because he's old?

I'd say that the chances are that any 34 year old who hasn't played much in recent years is a risky proposition. He might well still have the 'legs' to cope with the wear and tear of regular first team matches as some 'older' players do, but there is no way of knowing one way or the other. We all remember players such as Strachan and McAllister who played at a high level until much older than 34 but they were playing regularly all the way through their careers, even in their early 30s. Disley similarly so.

For me, it would be too much of a gamble. If a player of a similar age who had been making 35+ appearances for the past few years became available, it might be a different matter.

This is for outfield players, of course. Quite commonplace for keepers not to play much for years but you wouldn't expect them to suffer with injuries as much as there is less wear and tear in goal.

You’ve got to question his desire really . He’s hardly played the last couple of years at Wednesday when he should/ could’ve dropped down a league or 2 to play games at the end of his career . But it would look like he’s been happy to slide away . Why would he suddenly want or have the drive to scrap in L2 now when he’s most likely got all he wants from football.
It would be a brave manager to sign him . I wouldn’t bother with . The minus points outweighs his plus points for me . He won’t come cheap - id rather split the £ he would want between a couple of younger hungry players from non league everyday of the week .

Quoted from Davec

Obviously his age is a risk but just because he's 34 that doesn't mean hes automatically past it and he will be John Welsh MK II, look at James Coppinger, Neal Bishop, David Perkins, and to a lesser extent Kevin Ellison and even Danny Whittaker when he played in non league, all late 30s but still do a job.

and all playing regularly and not plagued by injury .... i think his record looked like he played less than half of the games he could have wherever he has been...30 odd games in two seasons type of thing and last time out 2 games in a season was it ?

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

You never know he might be a Star Man.

You should change your username to the Laughing_Gnome

To be fair he has played at a high level, I would think that at best he could be another Collins, do a good job for a couple of years, but I'd fear it's more likely he'd be a woolford type who comes in and never really provides what is needed...

If he reads the fishy then he will probably change his mind over signing . With fans thinking this already who needs enemies . Think back to Futcher couldn't get in Halufax's first team.  What an astute signing he proved to be .

He’s an old has been going for one last pay check.

Get in some good conference players.

MJ doesn’t seem to want to scout the lower leagues.

Quoted from barrattstandman

If he reads the fishy then he will probably change his mind over signing . With fans thinking this already who needs enemies . Think back to Futcher couldn't get in Halufax's first team.  What an astute signing he proved to be .

I think you will find that Futcher had been confined to Halifax reserves because of a fall out with their manager. It was more of a punishment than his playing ability.

Championship teams have big squads now. Whether he will be any good I don’t know, but the best centre mid I’ve seen this season was Neal Bishop and he’s ancient.

Someone with quality who can’t move as well as they used to at a higher level might complement our current youthful midfielders. Welsh was a disaster because he couldn’t run, he was never a ball player