Jolley back under pressure

That's 3 defeats on the trot now and were back on a bad run.....anyone think Jolley is back under pressure of losing his job ?

he has three more games .......apparently  

No sh!t Sherlock, for as much as 95% wanted him to succeed sometimes you have to hold your hands up and admit defeat...I honestly believe that time is now ...

There's someone who should be under more pressure.

Fenty's fired more managers than Lord Sugar and drunk off those he hasn't fired.

I still dont think he is the man for the job.. buys poor slow players.. plays players that are clearly not up to the job , sets up all wrong most games. i realy dont think he is as cleaver as folk think,, for me he can go

If we win the odd game he might last to the new year,

Then he will need to bring some bigger stronger better players in,

He can not survive by losing 6 on the trot followed by 4 undefeated   followed by losing 4, 5 or 6 on the trot.

He has got a few big weeks coming up and then depending on results we might have a new man in charge come January.

Some will force him back under pressure no doubt. The ambitions, expectations and standards that the supporters set are bigger than those of the club apparently. There'll be a large amount of dissatisfaction and some who will want to blame Jolley. I might question some of his selections and maybe even some of the decisions he made to sign or retain what look, in all honesty, to be a bunch of very, very average players bar the odd one.
Personally I broadly support him and I'd like to see the pressure be placed on the board and the owner. Perhaps they can tell us what their expectations are. I'd love to know the relative budget that the manager has to work with.

We can't keep scumming around at the bottom of the league John, investing no money, getting meekly turned over by all and sundry, hoping we might avoid relegation and waiting for some luck. That's not a strategy. It's killing us. What are you doing at GTFC, other than bringing sickening misery to the loyal supporters and pushing hundreds away through weak ineptitude?

jolleys time must be up now after these poor results.

Everybody knows you need some big lads in league 2 and a couple of players with a bit of pace.
You don’t need a UEFA badge for that surely.

You do not sign slow midgets, you will get hammered 10 goals in 17 games is relegation.!!

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That's 3 defeats on the trot now and were back on a bad run.....anyone think Jolley is back under pressure of losing his job ?

The rot set in years and years ago, Jolley's only been here six months so shouldn't shoulder all of the blame for us not being able to compete in League Two, but he'll eventually be yet another fall guy due to a long and disgraceful charge sheet that results in "competitive" budgets allocated season after season..

How the owner of a football club the size of GTFC used the excuse that Dover had a larger budget than us and said it without any self-awareness and without feeling any responsibility or culpability is beyond reproach..

Exactly. Surely we all recognise the root causes of this ever repeating pattern of non investment and pathetic inability to compete at this level.

I agree chaos. Sack him, don't sack him, it makes no difference. JF, the only man with any money at the club is not going to invest any of it into the team. Short of getting in a manager that can work miracles with fook all money, we will carry on struggling. JF is looking to take some of his loans back, not invest any more, and i think in his head, he has already left the club and but for wanting his loans back, would have already gone in person.

Good luck with getting your ££££ back now PP has bitten the dust John .

I don't know what the answer is, but somethinghas got to change and quickly.

I have not related to this set of players at all, I must say. There are no heroes, no battling midfileld players or swashbuckling strikers. The whole thing is in danger of dying on its feet, and something has to be done.

Assuming Fenty remains in charge (obviously) then he needs to make an important decision about the manager and his own ambitions for GTFC.

I know in the grand scheme of things it is incidental, but why aren't we playing in the famous stripes when situations allow? There doesn't seem to be the pride in our history or tradition that there should be; even the board in Grimsby Road advertising the matches shows the team in the red strip! What is that all about? One of the unique selling points relegated to a boring red strip worn by about half the teams in the football league. Everything about us seems back to front, amateur, boring or simply stupid - and I love the club!!! Imagine how it looks to potential fans!

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I don't know what the answer is, but somethinghas got to change and quickly.

I have not related to this set of players at all, I must say. There are no heroes, no battling midfileld players or swashbuckling strikers. The whole thing is in danger of dying on its feet, and something has to be done.

Assuming Fenty remains in charge (obviously) then he needs to make an important decision about the manager and his own ambitions for GTFC.

I know in the grand scheme of things it is incidental, but why aren't we playing in the famous stripes when situations allow? There doesn't seem to be the pride in our history or tradition that there should be; even the board in Grimsby Road advertising the matches shows the team in the red strip! What is that all about? One of the unique selling points relegated to a boring red strip worn by about half the teams in the football league. Everything about us seems back to front, amateur, boring or simply stupid - and I love the club!!! Imagine how it looks to potential fans!

Ambitions are usually realised, I think it's clear there is no ambition in the boardroom, our constant struggle to survive with excuse after excuse and when the fans do what very few other clubs have done and raise a considerable amount of money for a promotion push we get slated for it by the oxygen bandits in the boardroom.

Just a thought but does FFS stand for FentysFuckingShambles. Just go, you've had your fun, all your appointments can't be wrong.

Get out John. Ffs just go

Is it about time for another fans forum ?

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Is it about time for another fans forum ?

Better make it quick, while we still have some fans left.  

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Is it about time for another fans forum ?

Matt Dean can't wait  

I read this earlier in Codalmighty and thought it pertinent. Something needs to change, and fast.

http://www.codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=6909

I've tried and I've tried to think the best of John Fenty and his merry band of 'yes' men but I've got to the point where I can make no more excuses for 16 years of consistent inadequacy. This isn't Jolley's fault. It wasn't Bignot's or Woods' or maybe even Slade's. Maybe not Rodger's or Newell's, certainly not Hurst.

One common denominator, one defunct football club.

I’m afraid I’ve been left with no alternative to come to the conclusion that MJ is out of his depth
We are going backwards
I don’t have an outfield player who I relate to
I really don’t have an answer
All I / we cling to is hope
We will suffer same plight as York or Torquay etc if tough and strong decisions aren’t made soon
We don’t look like a team at all
We are so slow
Tough been a Mariner at this time

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I read this earlier in Codalmighty and thought it pertinent. Something needs to change, and fast.

http://www.codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=6909

Yes I agree.

I wasn't there tonight, but I was at Cambridge on Saturday.

I was thinking about last season's game at Cambridge and how we have changed since then. Last time we were dreadful. This time we were awful. So you could say that there has been some improvement.

Last time was the first game after Slade was sacked and the entire team was pretty much a shambles. (Macca excepted). This year we looked more organised at the back, though still pretty vulnerable on occasion. We certainly put in more effort all over the pitch this time. But crucially we still have no more creativity in midfield or threat in attack.

Bear in mind that the team that turned up in last season's fixture was, according to the form table, the worst team in the country, and had been for some time. So being slightly better now is a disaster.  I say that because last year we had thirty odd points on the board by the New Year and that buffer kept us out of the drop zone despite a twenty game winless run. Right now we are four points off the drop zone having played  a game more than the team in 23rd place.  It's clear that with the current level of performance we are likely to be in the drop zone by Christmas.

We might just get away with a shaky defence if we had a strong midfield capable to shielding them, and capable of winning and holding possession. Unfortunately we see a proliferation of bad passing, and a habit gifting possession to the opposition that keeps us on the back foot and exposing our defensive frailties. There is also no creativity going forward. There is very little movement off the ball to ensure a pass is on for whoever has the ball.

The side lacks pace and composure in the final third. Poor decision making time and time again. The lack of quality is shocking. We can gripe about individuals and the mistakes they make. But the big picture is that we have a squad of very poor players. Despite a couple of good games now and then, we didn't really think  Woolford, Dixon and Collins were good enough last season yet they were all in the squad tonight. Welsh looks beyond his sell by date. Rose is in and out of form. Clifton is not the finished article yet and it's unfair to place such a heavy burden on him at this stage.

As a priority I think we need some better midfield players. I happen to think Thomas, Embleton and Vernam can be a threat going forward if they get some service. But unless we shore up the middle of the park we are only going one way this season.

We probably can't afford a huge influx of players in January. But if we could sign a couple of good central midfield players and perhaps a speedy winger I think we can transform our fortunes. Maybe Whitehouse might be nearing fitness and could come into the reckoning in the new year.  

Luckily the standard in L2 is pretty poor, so a relatively small number of good additions could be enough to at least make sure we stay up. But I'm afraid any thoughts of play offs or promotion look totally delusional given our current squad.          

Thing about that article, it looks like too much hyperbole to me. As are so many posts in this forum tonight. We know Mansfield have a richer owner than us and pay higher wages, but are we really below most other teams in the division in terms of wages paid? A good few of them, certainly, but most? I wouldn't know for sure (neither does anybody) but I'd guess not.

We've got too many mediocre players, not enough pace and not enough strength but I can't help but feel that there has been a massive overreaction tonight. We're playing poorly have a poor away record and were playing a team well above us in the table with one of the stronger home records. Didn't play anything like well enough by all accounts but then it was hardly a capitulation of the type seen at Bury or in a couple of home games this season. I didn't expect much tonight and neither did anybody else before the game so the outpouring of angst following a narrow defeat is a bit too much for me.

At present, it seems there are a few teams who are worse than us (or at the very least just as bad) in this division. With almost two thirds of the season yet to play, I'm hoping that we can find another run of form to drag us away from the relegation spaces by Christmas before seeing what happens in the January transfer window.

Unlike many on the forum, I do think Jolley has a lot to answer for with many of our problems this season as the squad he assembled is unbalanced and lacking in many areas - both lightweight and slow isn't a winning combination. I know his hands were tied to some degree with the players already under contract, but he's signed and re-signed enough players to take most of the responsibility (Mills is a better defender than RHJ, for example). Obviously, I don't know if his hands were also tied due to the budget available but I'd imagine a good chunk has gone on the wages of Woolford, Welsh and Collins and at least two of these three shouldn't have been signed.

There's no prospect of a change at boardroom level so I'm not going to exercise myself on that whole topic.

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It's clear that with the current level of performance we are likely to be in the drop zone by Christmas.

One point to note is that the three teams currently below us are in even worse form than we are. And some of those just above us in the table aren't much better. We only have to be less bad than two of those teams.

We certainly need to improve, no arguing about that, but we're not the worst team in the division at present. You have to hold on to these little crumbs of comfort.

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Thing about that article, it looks like too much hyperbole to me. As are so many posts in this forum tonight. We know Mansfield have a richer owner than us and pay higher wages, but are we really below most other teams in the division in terms of wages paid? A good few of them, certainly, but most? I wouldn't know for sure (neither does anybody) but I'd guess not.

We've got too many mediocre players, not enough pace and not enough strength but I can't help but feel that there has been a massive overreaction tonight. We're playing poorly have a poor away record and were playing a team well above us in the table with one of the stronger home records. Didn't play anything like well enough by all accounts but then it was hardly a capitulation of the type seen at Bury or in a couple of home games this season. I didn't expect much tonight and neither did anybody else before the game so the outpouring of angst following a narrow defeat is a bit too much for me.

At present, it seems there are a few teams who are worse than us (or at the very least just as bad) in this division. With almost two thirds of the season yet to play, I'm hoping that we can find another run of form to drag us away from the relegation spaces by Christmas before seeing what happens in the January transfer window.

Unlike many on the forum, I do think Jolley has a lot to answer for with many of our problems this season as the squad he assembled is unbalanced and lacking in many areas - both lightweight and slow isn't a winning combination. I know his hands were tied to some degree with the players already under contract, but he's signed and re-signed enough players to take most of the responsibility (Mills is a better defender than RHJ, for example). Obviously, I don't know if his hands were also tied due to the budget available but I'd imagine a good chunk has gone on the wages of Woolford, Welsh and Collins and at least two of these three shouldn't have been signed.

There's no prospect of a change at boardroom level so I'm not going to exercise myself on that whole topic.

Narrow defeat.....on the score sheet but for 3 cracking saves by Macca ...woodwork....desperate defending and riding our luck could have been more......now I can swallow losing by a goal to what was probably a higher budget, top end team in our division...but we also lost to a single goal against a poor struggling side on Saturday as well...
And what we all can see is we have not at any point this season looked like smashing goals in with any regularity...tonight I would say we played one decent cross into the box...played one good ball through to the striker and without the defender turning the ball into his own net I doubt we would have scored either....no pace...little quality..and that is what is depressing...we just don't have anything to get behind...play well and we just might not lose....hardly inspiring

I think the bigger problem is 53 goals in 63 games since the start of last season. That is desperate. 2nd fewest goals last season, fewest so far this season. We haven't addressed our root issue (in terms of football at least) and I fear it could come be our killer this year.

Would / Could Sam Jones coming back help?

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Would / Could Sam Jones coming back help?

I’d prefer Tom Jones tbh

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I’m afraid I’ve been left with no alternative to come to the conclusion that MJ is out of his depth
We are going backwards
I don’t have an outfield player who I relate to
I really don’t have an answer
All I / we cling to is hope
We will suffer same plight as York or Torquay etc if tough and strong decisions aren’t made soon
We don’t look like a team at all
We are so slow
Tough been a Mariner at this time

Like a lot of people are saying, its so easy to blame MJ but we dont know what crap budget he has to work with, the blame should be with our non chairman/owner/dictator who has run the club intot he ground.   I suspect given reasonable funds he would do pretty well.
I also believe that by bringing in so much youth that things are building for the future but the players brought in or retained around the youth is clearly cheap and not upto standard.

Fentys purse strings are strangling the club, he wants to keep the club as basically a toy but without paying for it anymore.

Look, if a man commentating on the game, who by the way doesn't have the quals of jolley, can see the problems then I have to ask if MJ is just not that capable,.
He openly admitted that managing an under 23  side was about player development and not results so maybe that is where his own forte lies...and limbricks track record is woeful at best, hardly gives me any confidence that the 2 of them can turn this team into a force to reckoned with and I for one will not be happy with scraping through because there are 2 worse teams than us in the league...

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Narrow defeat.....on the score sheet but for 3 cracking saves by Macca ...woodwork....desperate defending and riding our luck could have been more...

If we're going to start counting efforts that didn't go in, we might as well give up now. The record shows that we beat Colchester the other week but they missed sitters and had a lot more shots and chances. Does this mean they should be given the points?

When you're struggling, it's a fine line between success and failure and we managed to drag ourselves just to the right side of that line in the run in last season. If we'd held on for a draw last night or even nicked a win, they would have been praised for grinding out a result, despite a poor performance. The fact that we lost by a single goal doesn't suddenly make the performance itself ten times worse.

I didn't watch last night's game or listen to Jolley's comments, but it is pretty certain that away results against the better teams aren't likely to be what saves us this season. It will be grinding out enough results at home and against weaker sides. We've shown we can compete in plenty of games this season so let's hope we can get back to that situation very soon.

Total over reaction IMO!!

Only a few short weeks ago we had many stating how it was easy money we would finish in the top half!

We are, and will remain, a team/club trying to make ends meet with little leadership from the top and no investment.

That is the way it is.

Whinge and moan all you like you arent going to change things.

I think MJ is worth sticking with, we arent going to get anyone with a magic wand to replace him thats for sure. He makes selections that I dont agree with, I would like to see us being more positive and aggressive but it isnt my reputation or job on the line and neither is it yours.

The term supporter doesnt seem to fit many on here at present but last night we competed for long periods against the best side i have seen in the league this season, it is however about getting points to reach safety.

The best way I can help in a very small way is by attending and supporting the team

Think most of us need a reality check about just how good GTFC actually are in real terms.

Sad though it is we are no more than a struggling League 2 outfit and haven't been barring one Season 12 years ago. Nothing will change without a massive sea change through the entire Club and a load of money getting spent and that`s not going to happen anytime soon.

Jolley will put together a good team playing a nice passing game,

I am not sure that will be with us though,

His hands are tied to who he can bring in,

So until he is given the funding to get these better players,

We will win one and lose 2 or 3 all season imo.

Lets hope he can find a nugget or two come January.

Quoted from Maringer

One point to note is that the three teams currently below us are in even worse form than we are. And some of those just above us in the table aren't much better. We only have to be less bad than two of those teams.

We certainly need to improve, no arguing about that, but we're not the worst team in the division at present. You have to hold on to these little crumbs of comfort.

Hartlepool fans were probably thinking the same a couple of years ago.

He's got to be given January. I think the biggest problem is the quality of the players available to him. He's had a few injuries to contend with but nothing massively unusual. The squad is still quite small compared to previous years, so he must have held a bit back for this window. Let's at least give him time to get what he regards as his best squad.

We have 5 wins in 20 games since the season began, thats enough for anyone to be under pressure and on the verge at any level of management in football.

We've been here a few times already.

Sack Jolley and replace him with who...who can do a better job?

As most posters have already pointed out, the problems at GTFC are more deeply rooted than the
manager's chair. Sacking another manager only highlights another Fenty fckup anyway.

I believe JF took control of the club to make money out of it, and his ego/stubbornness means we sit
and wait as he is doing. I'm convinced he doesn't give a rat's bottom about the fans.

Am I missing something ?  
Does anyone genuinely believe we will be going forwards whoever the manager is ?
Because quite frankly I don’t.  We haven’t got a squad capable of even thinking about a play off push whoever manages them.  This squad must have had by far the least amount of abuse given where we are in the league. The reason for that is twofold. Total apathy by the fans, and the fact is that they are trying. They’re just not up to the job.
We’ve tried all sorts of managerial appointments NONE of which have really worked. I’m sure some of you will see limping through the play offs as successful though.  They can’t all be poor.
We know who the constant is, so I for one won’t be calling for Jolleys head.
In fact, I very much doubt that they’ll be many at BP to call for anybody’s head !!
I genuinely feel that I wouldn’t even feel good if Fergie himself came out of retirement to help us out. The JF Syndrome would kick in within six months and we’d be back to square one.
Keep MJ here, give him two seasons either way. At least we wouldn’t be shelling out compo yet again.

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I happen to think Thomas, Embleton and Vernam can be a threat going forward if they get some service.          

Just saying........

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Just saying........

And your Lottery numbers for this week are.....

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I’d prefer Tom Jones tbh

Why, why, WHY?

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Why, why, WHY?

It's not unusual !