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LH
July 6, 2017, 1:59pm

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It's only fair that the knuckle draggers get their way so they can draw white, straight men. What flavour wax crayons do you lot want to use?
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It's only fair that the knuckle draggers get their way so they can draw white, straight men. What flavour wax crayons do you lot want to use?


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July 6, 2017, 2:53pm
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You seem to be twisting your knickers round your logic. No-one is saying (as far as I know) that "showing inclusivity to all of the above is a personal attack", that would be idiocy. What I said and what others think too is that the mural is a political statement not a club celebration.

Political statements about "multicultural", "celebrating diversity" and so on actually promote division in society. If you don't understand that then read up on the history of East Lancs and the West Riding in the 1970s for example and follow it through to what happened in Rotherham, Rochdale, Keighley and so on. Check up on the areas of Birmingham and Leeds that give sustenance to terrorists. All of these areas have "celebrated diversity" for years and effectively divided themselves along racial and religious grounds.

This is not the place for political discussion though, or for bad mouthing from a soapbox those who happen to have thought things through a bit more over the years than you appear to have done. The best thing to do with the mural is spray over it and start again from the viewpoint of celebrating our club as it has been a part of our normal society for generations, not some pretence at a rainbow nirvana.


I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.
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July 6, 2017, 3:07pm

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Here we go   the go to weapon of choice from a pathetic PC liberal who has no argument, I'm no racist you keyboard warrior fool but if you want to debate me over even say that to my face I will be down St. Peter's Ave shortly.

Edit: I see you have now altered your post😆


I didn't alter it, 'SitePublisher' did because apparently telling someone to intercourse off is worse than having actual racist views on here (calling someone a 'Token Asian' IS racist regardless of what you think). What is it you find so offensive about a mural celebrating diversity? Why shouldn't the one notable Asian player we've had at Town appear on it? 'It should have been actual club legends' isn't a legitimate reason for your outrage, since the purpose of the mural is to honour equality and diversity rather than specific notable past legends.

And i'm not sure why you want to meet me in person to have this discussion unless you intend to physically intimidate me? That's not going to do anything to back up your viewpoint (nor is throwing out meaningless buzzwords like PC liberal either).


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I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.


Best thing I  found at Elephant was the A2 out of the area.
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July 6, 2017, 3:18pm
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Best thing I  found at Elephant was the A2 out of the area.


Haha it's rough round the edges I'll give you that but lots of development in the last few years and even more planned. An up and coming area as they say.
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July 6, 2017, 3:19pm
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If we had to paint a player that played a few games for us 18 years ago just because he's the only Asian that has played for the club then he's undoubtedly a token Asian.

I'd rather see legends Remembered around the ground than people that just happen to be the right colour or race to sour an agenda
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July 6, 2017, 3:31pm
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I live in Elephant and Castle which is about as multi-cultural as it gets and it's ace. You should try it.


Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.

The difference is that in the 70s councils in West Yorks etc, set up situations for non-integration. Printing all documents in Urdu for instance. They encouraged the setting up of community councils dominated by religious leaders and more recently allowed the truly divisive expansion of faith schools which were effectively for the "one true faith".

I'm only saying this to show some people on here that there isn't anything simplistic about the issue and that the promotion of diversity is incredibly old fashioned and is proved to fail. I am amazed that,some younger people fall for this three card trick from decades ago and think it actually works and is a good thing. Integration is what matters. Togetherness as one society not trying to amalgamate different societies in the same geography.


“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty."
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Quoted from grimps
If we had to paint a player that played a few games for us 18 years ago just because he's the only Asian that has played for the club then he's undoubtedly a token Asian.

I'd rather see legends Remembered around the ground than people that just happen to be the right colour or race to sour an agenda


As he has been the only one then i would suggest he is a significant Asian player in the history of our club as opposed to a token ?

  Depends on your viewpoint i suppose.







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July 6, 2017, 3:36pm
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Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub


Been there, done it. It's not multicultural, it's integrated. Largely because there is no single dominant incoming culture. The same used to be true of Tiger Bay, East Ham etc.



Isn't multicultural and integrated essentially the same thing? In the last three years I've had various flatmates from various different backgrounds including Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Jamaican, French, Nepalese and South African and I'd say that's probably quite a good reflection of the local area as a whole. Surely that is multicultural?
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