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TownSNAFU5
October 23, 2014, 6:38pm
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For older Town fans only of a certain age:

Harry Roberts, Britain's most dangerous man is to be released from jail shortly.  He was jailed for life in 1966 ( at least 30 years) for gunning down 3 policemen in cold blood.   He had no remorse then or since.  Even recently it was reported that he had been stalking (from jail) a relative of one of the dead policemen. The police are furious that he is being released and the Home Secretary said that the law will be changed to prevent this happening in future.  

What is this to do with Grimsby and football?  At many football grounds in the 1960s, including the Pontoon, there was a infamous chant  to rile the police of "Harry Roberts is our friend, is our friend, he kills coppers".

Sick but that what happened in society and at football at the time.   Generally we have moved on since then.   Some Leeds and Man United fans still need to.
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He was convicted not long after the death penalty was abolished in the UK. One of the conditions raised about the abolition was that anyone sentenced to " life in prison" for these kinds of murder would serve a life sentence. This should still be the case and he consequently shouldn't be released. There are certain crimes for which life should mean life eg child murderers, police murderers, those who kill old/defenceless people and terrorists who kill.


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There are certain crimes for which life should mean life eg child murderers, police murderers .


What's the difference in someone killing a policeman to lets say a engineer, plumber, doctor or  politician?  Or are policeman's life valued more than everyone else's?
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What's the difference in someone killing a policeman to lets say a engineer, plumber, doctor or  politician?  Or are policeman's life valued more than everyone else's?



It's not a question of value , more of vulnerability or in the case of the police in the line of duty. Personally, I would sentence ALL murderers to life but I'm sure society wouldn't tolerate that. To have a structured society that is safe to live in then the intentional taking of a life should carry the severest sentence that can be administered. This should be the removal of the perpetrator from society for the rest of their natural life.


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It's not a question of value , more of vulnerability or in the case of the police in the line of duty.  .


Surely people in all aspects of whatever jobs they are in put there life at risks as well. I would say your life is more at risk with being in industry as it is with being a police officer. Lets be realistic, most police officers don't do there job for people but for the cash as do most people. They don't have to do that job or are not forced into taking that career path.
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Surely people in all aspects of whatever jobs they are in put there life at risks as well. I would say your life is more at risk with being in industry as it is with being a police officer. Lets be realistic, most police officers don't do there job for people but for the cash as do most people. They don't have to do that job or are not forced into taking that career path.



Regardless of the motives for being in the police the fact remains that they are trying to protect society and inevitably at times will have to put their lives on the line to protect us. It's possible that the two policewomen who were murdered in Manchester might have joined the police for various reasons but were still killed in the line of duty whilst investigating a " supposed break-in ".


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What is this to do with Grimsby and football?  At many football grounds in the 1960s, including the Pontoon, there was a infamous chant  to rile the police of "Harry Roberts is our friend, is our friend, he kills coppers".  

Undoubtedly the most distasteful chant of the late 60s/early 70s 'Boot Boys' era, and there were plenty of other shockers then.


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He was convicted not long after the death penalty was abolished in the UK. One of the conditions raised about the abolition was that anyone sentenced to " life in prison" for these kinds of murder would serve a life sentence. This should still be the case and he consequently shouldn't be released. There are certain crimes for which life should mean life eg child murderers, police murderers, those who kill old/defenceless people and terrorists who kill.


More often than not we hear of sentences that when good behaviour is taken into consideration are considerably less, Oscar Pistorius is an example where a 5 year sentence is given but he could be out in 10 months. I know this is not the UK legal system but is an example.

In the case of Harry Roberts, it was refreshing to learn he was given a minimum of 30 years but has actually served 45 years.
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