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Hagrid
September 30, 2014, 9:57pm

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Was that the same team from saturday? Bar lennell yes it was but dear me were we poor, hard to defend that performance, players seemed flat and devoid of ideas, hurts and players both at fault for tonight ( more so imo the players) fair play to southport, they set up well and did what they had to do- macreth awful tonight i feel, can see we are a long way off a promition team on that performance, again it makes saturday a 3 pointer. It seems to be 1 forward 2 back and as much as i like paul, performances like that are gonna turn the fans more and more against
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Was that the same team from saturday? Bar lennell yes it was but dear me were we poor, hard to defend that performance, players seemed flat and devoid of ideas, hurts and players both at fault for tonight ( more so imo the players) fair play to southport, they set up well and did what they had to do- macreth awful tonight i feel, can see we are a long way off a promition team on that performance, again it makes saturday a 3 pointer. It seems to be 1 forward 2 back and as much as i like paul, performances like that are gonna turn the fans more and more against


And therein lies the mentality.  Not LJLs fault as such, but how much more hoof, and less playing it through the midfield on the deck than Saturday was there.  Lennie should not be the scapegoat, HURST should.  Play LJL if you think, but let the players know that he is not the be all and end all of every attack. Quite frankly one of the most boring and quietest games at BP (given the crowd and the fact that night games normally have more atmosphere) in my 40 odd years of watching Town.  Absolutely shocking and whilst my post not so long ago said it may not be time for Hurst to go.

Now it is.


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No plan B or C. As much as people like him, if we want out of this league we need someone who knows how to use the good squad what we have week in week out and get constant results. Its a no brainer, we don't need forwards we need a manager with knowledge!
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It'd be wrong to blame LJL personally, it's not his fault that we play poorer football when he's on the pitch. But it's slowly becoming more evident that, that is indeed the case. Hurst just refuses to address this, either play it on the floor (where he's better) or swallow your flipping pride and try something else.

He's walking a fine fine line.
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Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won
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Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won


Absolutely, and that's unacceptable I think.


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One decent chance for us all game, LJL one on one and no surprise to anybody when he put it wide, really struggling to think of a valid reason to change the team tonight, only Hurst can answer that, performance was totally lacking and the manager stands on the touchline with his usual pose, thank god I have cancelled my two seats on the coach for Saturday, don't think I can stand many more performances like the one I have just witnessed
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It's the managers job to motivate and send out the team wanting to win more than the opponents . It doesn't seem hurst does this to the level required . Time for a change mr F


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Quoted from pontoonlew
It'd be wrong to blame LJL personally, it's not his fault that we play poorer football when he's on the pitch. But it's slowly becoming more evident that, that is indeed the case. Hurst just refuses to address this, either play it on the floor (where he's better) or swallow your flipping pride and try something else.

He's walking a fine fine line.


Too right Lew. Earlier on today I said it was worth a try to start with Oates and rely on playing football, only using LJL as an impact from the bench. It might not have worked but going back to square one didn't work either did it?



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Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won


I blame PH for once again sending out a team that doesn't stamp it's authority in the first 10 minutes. The front 2 were woeful.
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Quoted from BIGChris
Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won


So surely the team he sent out should have some nouse (sic) and movement ?? Or is that not his fault. In which case, whose fault is it ???


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Quoted from BIGChris
Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won


The manager picks the players,

The manager chooses the tactics,

The manager is not to blame ?

Smell the coffee Chris.


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We will not get out of this league with LJL and Hannah up front.


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Awful performance.  They deserved it. We had no idea. Lewis and Hannah cant play together.  Hannah plays off the shoulder but was having to drop off whilst longballs were thrown at Lewis and hardly anything stuck anyway. The we team were quite frankly inept tonight along with Hurst. I could go on but cant be bothered


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Well that's Saturday's optimism down the shitter


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IMO them tactics were completely wrong. We saw after 10 / 15 min there knew how we would 'play'  we should have tweaked it. IMO move scotty behind the front 2. Take Mackreth off.

We were flat boring and predictable.

They definitely did not come and park the bus they were just more organised and had more fight.

On another. How come everyone chanted more about Brodie than grimsby tonight. Give him 5 min of shite and cheer on our team.

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Quoted from grimsby pete


The manager picks the players,

The manager chooses the tactics,

The manager is not to blame ?

Smell the coffee Chris.


Correct Pete. You still sat on the fence  


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Our persistance to play long ball will cost us and inevitably Paul Hurst I feel, when we play football we look a very good team.... When we don't we're terrible.


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You know whats really pissing me off ?

John fenty delaying the inevitable, just get it done john now for the sanity of the fans.

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Brodie and McDonald were the best two players on the pitch
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Correct Pete. You still sat on the fence  


Four games ago I said I would give Hurst 4 more games before I said if he should go,

Well in them 4 games we have won 2 and drawn 1  before tonight,

We have gained points by hard work not by playing good football,

So tonight I say if we stay with Hurst we will be nearly a good team,

BUT

We will not get promoted, So it's up to John Fenty to decide,

Are we going to be nearly good enough to get out of this league ,

Or are we brave enough to say Hurst is not the man to take us up,

We need to look elsewhere,

Come on John, you have been quiet on here lately, speak up/


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Oh dear we were excrement tonight, it was clear that their shape was causing us problems, why didn't we go 433? Not good enough tonight!
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Truly dismal performance. Southport were up for it, committed, and in Brodie had a candidate for MOM for all that most Town fans don't like him. At half time we said that we needed to increase our momentum because none of us could see where an equaliser would come from if they got a goal.

For me the first half wasn't so much about banging the ball up to Lenny as our wide players failing miserably to do anything with the considerable share of the ball they were given-particularly MacReth who looks increasingly like Colbeck-without the odd goal or two. Although to be fair to the lad he had a much better second half when he put the left back under all sorts of pressure. Neilson is an enigma. On his day-unplayable but spent all game today cutting inside amongst the massed ranks of their defence.
Big Chris is right IMO about a lack of intelligence. The big ball up to LJL when employed was meat and drink to Clayton. What is unforgivable is that those balls were still being played after LJL had been subbed-but to Hannah!
The midfield didn't get their customary grip on the game with Clay in particular out of sorts.
I listened to the phone in on RH on the way home and some lad said that Hannah was Town's best player. For me there was none of the hard running and harrassing of defenders that he did to such good effect on Saturday. His night was topped off by the absolutely woeful free kick in stoppage time.
Town's MOM? For me Magnay by a country mile.


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Though Hurst should certainly have made changes earlier than he did, it was the players themselves who were utterly dreadful tonight.

Blaming the presence of LJL (who was well out of sorts) for the team's hoofing seems a little harsh as the defenders seemed to be just whacking it roughtly towards anybody in a black and white shirt, not just Lenny. Playing so many long aerial punts towards Hannah and Mackreth at times was just ludicrous, especially against probably the biggest and strongest back 3 we will face this season. That said, on the rare occasions we attempted to pass it along the ground, we invariably cocked up after a couple of passes as the passing throughout the team was embarrassingly bad.

I thought Pearson did OK, Magnay wasn't bad and Hannah worked very hard with little joy but the rest ranged from poor to terrible. The midfield 4 in particular were useless with Brown, Clay and Neilson all having probably their worst games for us. Mackreth started to cause a bit of a threat by running at the opposition during the last 15 minutes. Why the intercourse didn't he do this earlier? Hate to say it, but Neilson should have been subbed off after an hour as he achieved absolutely nothing and held onto the ball so long that they always had time to get their defence well set. I simply couldn't believe that he was awarded sponsors Man of the Match tonight - comical!

Toto looks a liability way too often and I think we need another option at centre half if Doig isn't going to be fit enough to play often enough. I lost count of the number of stupid free-kicks he conceded when he couldn't possibly win the ball and, for a team like Southport, that's just what they want as set pieces are their game. His passing and decision making is dismal as well. The less said about Parslow's performance tonight, the better. One simple 5 yard pass to Mackreth which went into touch about 2 yards from him is a good indication of how poor he was tonight. Amazing, considering that he looked capable on Saturday.

A couple of good saves from McKeown earlier in the game but then he goes and fluffs the weak shot completely for their goal (though it was awful defending that let them take the short corner unchallenged). What was all the moaning about from our players for the goal? Was there an offside or a handball, or something? Couldn't really tell from my seat. Also, I thought Toto's header hit Hannah on the line but there seemed to be a claim for handball there as well. Again, I was too far away to see what really happened.

No complaints about the result. We should probably have still got a draw but they were up for it more than us and probably deserved the points. You have to worry when you have a game where Brodie (despite all his usual twattishness) was probably the best player on show tonight. He didn't play like that for us!

As I mentioned, Hurst should have made changes earlier, but is limited because we simply don't have enought attacking players fit and available. Arnold's absence throughout most of the season so far means that we have absolutely no specialist 'Plan B' on the wings when Neilson or Mackreth aren't doing it. Pittman's injury was unfortunate, but the fact remains that we don't have enough attackers on the books and this is a major intercourse-up by Hurst, something which still hasn't been resolved. Oates will do his best, but you can't really see him achieving too much.

The gulf in the performance between Saturday and tonight was so massive that I'm just baffled how so many players could be so bad. Incredible.
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Quoted from barralad
Truly dismal performance. Southport were up for it, committed, and in Brodie had a candidate for MOM for all that most Town fans don't like him. At half time we said that we needed to increase our momentum because none of us could see where an equaliser would come from if they got a goal.

For me the first half wasn't so much about banging the ball up to Lenny as our wide players failing miserably to do anything with the considerable share of the ball they were given-particularly MacReth who looks increasingly like Colbeck-without the odd goal or two. Although to be fair to the lad he had a much better second half when he put the left back under all sorts of pressure. Neilson is an enigma. On his day-unplayable but spent all game today cutting inside amongst the massed ranks of their defence.
Big Chris is right IMO about a lack of intelligence. The big ball up to LJL when employed was meat and drink to Clayton. What is unforgivable is that those balls were still being played after LJL had been subbed-but to Hannah!
The midfield didn't get their customary grip on the game with Clay in particular out of sorts.
I listened to the phone in on RH on the way home and some lad said that Hannah was Town's best player. For me there was none of the hard running and harrassing of defenders that he did to such good effect on Saturday. His night was topped off by the absolutely woeful free kick in stoppage time.
Town's MOM? For me Magnay by a country mile.


Agree with Magnay, guess it's all my fault?
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IMO them tactics were completely wrong. We saw after 10 / 15 min there knew how we would 'play'  we should have tweaked it. IMO move scotty behind the front 2. Take Mackreth off.

We were flat boring and predictable.

They definitely did not come and park the bus they were just more organised and had more fight.

On another. How come everyone chanted more about Brodie than grimsby tonight. Give him 5 min of shite and cheer on our team.

Timmo


UTM


Unfortunately Timmo, his 5 mins of being a tosser was 4 min 54 seconds longer than we had anything to cheer our team about. (I've given 3 seconds each half for us coming out the tunnel)



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Totally agree about Magnay, barralad, i thought he played well, made some fantastic runs and could of scored too.


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Quoted from grimsby pete


The manager picks the players,

The manager chooses the tactics,

The manager is not to blame ?

Smell the coffee Chris.


He sure does but I am sure he didn't tell the midfield to play in a line across the pitch and never even attempt to make a run beyond the strikers. We lined up like a table football team

Players too have to take responsibility.

You could tell after 10 mins that  when we had the ball Southport would have 8 behind the ball, we were too slow to get at them, passed it in front of them. If players can't do anything to change things on their own then the manager should have changed it much sooner. Even switching the wide men over, moving Nielson ( who was very lucky not to get a red card) into a totally free role, take Parslow off  and play another striker. The fact that neither the players or the manager tried anything until it was too late says it all.

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However poorly we played we did however create the two best chances of the game at 0-0, LJL on both occassions failing to finish.


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It's just getting so boring now this consistent inconsistency . It's obvious if we're going to get out this league we need 2 new strikers cos Hannah and LJL will never score the goals we require . Pitman is ok but will always be injured , which was obvious when we signed him . All summer to bring in some quality up front and he failed basically .


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It gives me no pleasure but ?I felt that tonight would be a very frustrating one. Southport not won away for ages, not scored a goal for 4 games, in football these things change and to be fair they were up for it and did not look like a bottom 4 team. On the other hand we were second best most of the time, midfield never got a grip on the game so the support and service to the front was poor. We did not win second balls, gave it away too easily and failed to get round there defence. Forget blaming the forwards the general play was not good enough. Don't blame the team selection, most on here went with the same line up. It is difficult to explain why we struggle in some of these home games, we started slowly and they took the initiative and we never lifted our game. Key players like Brown found it difficult to stamp any authority on proceedings , passing and ball control was below par. In the end Southport deserved to win and our friend Brodie, who I thought played well rubbed salt in the wounds. Football can be cruel, so we gave to to Dartford, play better and try to get 3 points. I do agree with Paul Hurst that not having Arnold on the bench to provide another attacking option was unfortunate.
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Quoted from The Old Codger


Agree with Magnay, guess it's all my fault?


LOL yeah!  I was willing them to play well cos you were going......


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took my 5 year old lad for the first time tonight and how he managed to sit there for 85 mins without saying 'I want to go home' is beyond me!ha. Absolute dire performance with no penetration whatsoever. The strange thing is I genuinely believe this squad is good enough and more than capable of getting out this league. Have always backed hurst but sadly now even I have to admit I think he has took the team as far as he can. We might scrape play offs again but just feel when it comes down to it he lacks the tactical nous to change and adapt his teams to suit the type of game it is. A really worry for me is when you look across at the dug out and he looks completely uninspiring and lacking any sort of motivation and this rubs off on the players. Hope I am wrong and we go on a run and we get right in the mix but im afraid with this sort of inconsistency its going to be another disappointing season.
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He sure does but I am sure he didn't tell the midfield to play in a line across the pitch and never even attempt to make a run beyond the strikers. We lined up like a table football team

Players too have to take responsibility.

You could tell after 10 mins that  when we had the ball Southport would have 8 behind the ball, we were too slow to get at them, passed it in front of them. If players can't do anything to change things on their own then the manager should have changed it much sooner. Even switching the wide men over, moving Nielson ( who was very lucky not to get a red card) into a totally free role, take Parslow off  and play another striker. The fact that neither the players or the manager tried anything until it was too late says it all.

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Surely it's not what about the manager tells the players to do or not do.  If so managing would be easy.   I would tell my defence not to concede. I would tell my midfield to dominate possession and break up every attack. I would tell my strikers to score with every opportunity they get. If we don't win every game with ease, I then say it's because the players did not follow instructions.  It's about the manager getting the players to play the way he wants them to or changing it around if they can't. Surely most people can see that Hurst has built a good squad. In my opinion, better than last seasons. The fact that we are where we are is down to the fact that he can't motivate/manage them surely ??  


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He sure does but I am sure he didn't tell the midfield to play in a line across the pitch and never even attempt to make a run beyond the strikers. We lined up like a table football team

Players too have to take responsibility.

You could tell after 10 mins that  when we had the ball Southport would have 8 behind the ball, we were too slow to get at them, passed it in front of them. If players can't do anything to change things on their own then the manager should have changed it much sooner. Even switching the wide men over, moving Nielson ( who was very lucky not to get a red card) into a totally free role, take Parslow off  and play another striker. The fact that neither the players or the manager tried anything until it was too late says it all.

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Well try joining the dots then Chris.  

Sure the manager doesn't send the players out to play in a line across midfield, but Pete is right, they're his players. How many times do we accept "the players let the manager down"? Ultimately it's the manager's responsibility if the team don't perform.


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Mixed feelings.

Hate to say it but Southport came with a gameplan and looked a decent side on the night !
I wouldn't even say they played for a point.
They defended en masse (3 at the back soon turned into 5) yet passed it quickly and were direct.

What they did (that we didn't IMO) was to use the space and stretch play.
Hurst says we didn't move the ball quick enough,  
Sure he's right but for me, too many times we failed to move the ball out wide.
At times you could have played the game on half the pitch lengthways !
One time we moved it quick into the space, Lenny was through (albeit not a gimme IMO)

It's not like it's a new phenomenon as I said v Chester...
"But for me there were a few occasions we could have switched play better."

What summed it up was Neilson in acres 2nd half with his both hands aloft.
I notice it didn't stop Southport pinging it into the space.
Tbh Brodie showed the way to go running the flanks.

1st half we passed it ok but not enough "runs in behind".
I actually think Mackreth had a decent game, I'll give him MOM.
Perhaps he could have run at them sooner.
But you can't blame wingers if players don't have the vision to spread the ball.
tbf I thought Clay was the best in this regard.

Agree with JT it was an underpar performance but also agree with Hurst, some did well.
I'd say Nsiala, Mackreth and Pearson were the best.
Thought Disley showed some experience when he came on.
Thought Magnay, LJL and Parslow were disappointing.
That said I agree with JT, it would have made zero difference had Oates started.

Not gonna labour the defeat from an offside set piece, more the fact we've failed to "unlock" again.
I know it aint easy (and some will just look at "Southport" and the defeat) but we looked short of ideas.
Either you have runners in behind defences (very few took a chance on this IMO)
Or perhaps Hurst needs to give AB a bell or find a Tony Rees type forward.

One other gripe I've got which I've seen for a while...
When Macca is rolling the ball outside the penalty area 5 or 6 Town players are stood static.
Everyone should be sprinting out.
Even with minutes to go defenders are stood at the back when they should be racing forward.
Not gonna let frustration get the better of me after 1 disappointment, but Southport just looked quicker to me.

To be fair thought we competed and defended well until switching off from the corner.
And had they not cleared one off the line it may well have been different.
Fine lines in football...

For me, we need a pacey left winger (if we didn't already)
I'd like to say had we had pace down BOTH flanks we'd have won.
But even then, not sure it tells the whole story.

Not panicking however, I won't at all be suprised if we beat Dartford and Altrincham...

But yes, unlocking teams is becoming a concern.
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Simple problem.
Southport had not won an away game for over a year.
They had not scored for 4 games
We had just put a string of good results together
A hated ex player was up front for them

as soon as the commentator mentioned the first 2 facts I said, right thats a 1-0 defeat coming up.

Same old same old lack of consistency of the last couple of years.
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Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't think Dover and Southport will go down.
I'm not excusing the issues tonight but until we realise
a) teams make it difficult for us at BP (defensive opposition + poor performance = co-incidence ?)
b) this league is full of suprise results where anyone can beat anybody

we'll always be jumping to histerics on the basis of "league position" (regardless of manager IMO)

What people perhaps forget is we've beaten and got results against the better teams.
Bristol Rovers, Gateshead, Halifax, Kiddy
Suffice to say "league position" is such a bad indicator as to not be worth using in the BSP IMO.

If you're suggesting Southport looked like a bottom 4 side tonight Chris, I'd seriously question whether you were even at the game.
That said, it's interesting people are saying Magnay did well and Mackreth didn't - I see it completely the opposite way.
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Too slow too easy to play against and no brains to change anything. Dover Nuneaton and Southport will all be fighting relegation IMO and we have failed to beat any of them at home!.

I don't blame PH for the team he sent out but the players need a rocket for there lack  of nouse and movement. I would be critical as to why we didn't change shape and/or personnel much sooner. We were so predictable.

Best team won


PH sent them out there with his game plan so he needs a rocket but he will never get it from you.
Why criticise him NOW for not changing shape/personnel when things are going wrong because he never does EVER


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I have to say, based on that performance, I'm surprised that Southport are struggling so much. They looked a lot better than Dover and Chester to me.

Perhaps that's as well as they can play at the same time as being as bad as we can play?
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I noticed on RH there was a contributor who said Southport had played well in the 2nd half in their recent 1-0 defeat.
Had our effort not been cleared off the line and we'd have won 1-0, I wonder what the mood would have been...
Not saying we played well tonight by any means but equally it's hard to play well when teams have a gameplan of making life tough.
Once you get the first goal, opponents "open up", we score more goals and it's apparently "easy" etc.



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I don't think Dover and Southport will go down.
I'm not excusing the issues tonight but until we realise
a) teams make it difficult for us at BP (defensive opposition + poor performance = co-incidence ?)
b) this league is full of suprise results where anyone can beat anybody

we'll always be jumping to histerics on the basis of "league position" (regardless of manager IMO)

What people perhaps forget is we've beaten and got results against the better teams.
Bristol Rovers, Gateshead, Halifax, Kiddy
Suffice to say "league position" is such a bad indicator as to not be worth using in the BSP IMO.

If you're suggesting Southport looked like a bottom 4 side tonight Chris, I'd seriously question whether you were even at the game.
That said, it's interesting people are saying Magnay did well and Mackreth didn't - I see it completely the opposite way.


How you can question if Big Chris was at the game after suggesting Mckreth was your MOM is absolutely  unbelievable, your other options Nsiala and Pearson and Magnay was poor, are you for real?

Every close season fans build up our signings only for reality to kick in, is Nsiala really any better than Macdonald, is Mckreth really an improvement on Colbeck? brown is an improvement on Kerr but certainly lacks some consistency. We miss Thomas getting beyond their defence and getting his crosses in and with Magnay switched to the right this may increase our attacking threat.

The two centre halves in possession are simply awful, Southport just let them have the ball and used the time to funnell back and get their shape. Nsiala and Pearson dither about with no confidence and after some incredibly disorganised passing between themselves normally hoof it long and possession is lost.

Parslow incredibly poor tonight and two games in four days may have been too much. Whilst we offer no threat from our front two I have to concede they got little service tonight but equally movement is not great.

I said after the Kiddie game that Hurst is suited to away games where we can grind out results once the onus is on us to attack his approach is flawed. Yes players let him down but a proactive manager would have tried to change our approach as Southport flooded the midfield and won every second ball.

We were truly shocking tonight and any doubts I had about PH are definately removed for me and I want a change otherwise the season ticket can gather dust.
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We will not get out of this league with LJL and Hannah up front.


That is exactly what I said on leaving the ground.

And Hurst should tell Hannah to stop taking free kicks because these past few games they have been crap.

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Has Hannah ever scored a free-kick for us? Can't remember one myself.
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How you can question if Big Chris was at the game after suggesting Mckreth was your MOM is absolutely  unbelievable, your other options Nsiala and Pearson and Magnay was poor, are you for real?

Every close season fans build up our signings only for reality to kick in, is Nsiala really any better than Macdonald, is Mckreth really an improvement on Colbeck? brown is an improvement on Kerr but certainly lacks some consistency. We miss Thomas getting beyond their defence and getting his crosses in and with Magnay switched to the right this may increase our attacking threat.

The two centre halves in possession are simply awful, Southport just let them have the ball and used the time to funnell back and get their shape. Nsiala and Pearson dither about with no confidence and after some incredibly disorganised passing between themselves normally hoof it long and possession is lost.

Parslow incredibly poor tonight and two games in four days may have been too much. Whilst we offer no threat from our front two I have to concede they got little service tonight but equally movement is not great.

I said after the Kiddie game that Hurst is suited to away games where we can grind out results once the onus is on us to attack his approach is flawed. Yes players let him down but a proactive manager would have tried to change our approach as Southport flooded the midfield and won every second ball.

We were truly shocking tonight and any doubts I had about PH are definately removed for me and I want a change otherwise the season ticket can gather dust.


Couldn't agree more, McKreth apart from I think one run and a late shot was no better than Colbeck used to do and hasn't been all season so far, even Colbeck used to have the odd good game.

Also agree about Toto he played one ball tonight and I don't think anyone in the ground knew what the frig he was doing and this seems to be just about every game.
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How you can question if Big Chris was at the game after suggesting Mckreth was your MOM is absolutely  unbelievable, your other options Nsiala and Pearson and Magnay was poor, are you for real?

I'm saying if anyone thinks Southport looked like a bottom 4 side tonight, they must have watching a different game.

I thought Nsiala was winning almost everything in the air, I thought Shaun did a good job.
I thought Magnay was poor (was that a typo ?)
But it's all about opinions...

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
Every close season fans build up our signings only for reality to kick in, is Nsiala really any better than Macdonald, is Mckreth really an improvement on Colbeck?

Good question !
I suggest you take it up with them cos I haven't been saying it's any better.
People are having a go at Mackreth for not running enough but I thought he was one of the few who didn't give the ball away cheaply.

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brown is an improvement on Kerr  but certainly lacks some consistency.

I thought he was poor tonight personally.
The fact he gets a round of applause for winning the ball back after giving it away cheaply doesn't persuade me to join in the congratulations.
I'm starting to wonder if he's all he's cracked up to be.

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We miss Thomas getting beyond their defence and getting his crosses in and with Magnay switched to the right this may increase our attacking threat.

Once Magnay starts finding the net instead of wasting every promising position, I'll agree with you.
Magnay is a good defender but nowhere near as useful going forward as Thomas IMO

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The two centre halves in possession are simply awful, Southport just let them have the ball and used the time to funnell back and get their shape. Nsiala and Pearson dither about with no confidence and after some incredibly disorganised passing between themselves normally hoof it long and possession is lost.

Well that's defenders for you...
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Parslow incredibly poor tonight and two games in four days may have been too much. Whilst we offer no threat from our front two I have to concede they got little service tonight but equally movement is not great.

I said after the Kiddie game that Hurst is suited to away games where we can grind out results once the onus is on us to attack his approach is flawed.

Fair points.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
Yes players let him down but a proactive manager would have tried to change our approach as Southport flooded the midfield and won every second ball.

Out of interest, what would you have done ?
Perhaps these things are best addressed on the training pitch (and in the transfer market), I just think Southport deserve some credit too.
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Has Hannah ever scored a free-kick for us? Can't remember one myself.


I'm not sure he's managed to get one on target.


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Has Hannah ever scored a free-kick for us? Can't remember one myself.

Scored one in a "Town XI" game this season.
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What can i say a awful performance that's 3 times this season we have played like that against Nuneaton, Dover and Southport at home. I'm sick and tired of the chipped aimless balls to nobody up front with the strikers having no chance to get them made Clayton McDonald's night so easy we know his movements not great so we keep on the ground and get Hannah to turn him none of that. A very lethargic static performance no idea no passion, where to passive at home and let the opposition in to the game they came out of the blocks fast.

Where a disjointed team we have Jack Mackreth he can divide opinion both ways he does pass back in to centre mid a lot doesn't take his man on where Alex Rodman did last season but that's a different story, what Mackreth does well is he gets in to space very quickly he made a few runs like he just runs in to a empty space but no players see's the space to put him in to which can be frustrating to watch because if they picked him out he would be through. He made a couple of  decent runs but expect a lot more from the pacy winger.

Evey team in lower half comes here and knows to pack the midfield and keep it compact and get at us and your guaranteed at least a point. I'm sick of excuses excuses from the manager and players tonight it was Richards Brodie was offside he might have been offside but the goal was given we wouldn't be complaining if it was Hannah scoring a goal that was offside it works both ways. He made excuses about injuries early on in the season now its a offside goal.

Listening to the radio at the end of the match getting boring its all LJL bashing yeah he had a couple of chances one in the first half where he it straight at the goalkeeper and the second effort in the 2nd half which he screwed wide we didn't create many chances and never get many crosses in the box, there is talk about going in to the loan market for a winger  but bringing in a player also can make out team more disjointed.

The whole team not up to par apart from Carl Magnay he was the stand out player. We can be very poor at home he said we had a bad game tonight but we had a bad game against Kidderminster lucky to win awful against Torquay, Nuneaton, Dover and now Southport.
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what Mackreth does well is he gets in to space very quickly he made a few runs like he just runs in to a empty space but no players see's the space to put him in to which can be frustrating to watch because if they picked him out he would be through.

Thanks, that's exactly what I meant about him + other players not feeding the ball into space.

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Evey team in lower half comes here and knows to pack the midfield and keep it compact and get at us and your guaranteed at least a point. I'm sick of excuses excuses from the manager and players tonight it was Richards Brodie was offside he might have been offside but the goal was given we wouldn't be complaining if it was Hannah scoring a goal that was offside it works both ways. He made excuses about injuries early on in the season now its a offside goal.

Well let's not quibble too much over the 1 point, let's look at why we didn't get the 3.
We lacked ideas (and players) to unlock them IMO.
Injuries and bad luck v Dover and Nuneaton perhaps, but struggling to unlock the (so called) lesser sides has been the common theme this season.
Can Hurst find solutions cos that's what it boils down to...
If so, I'd say there's every reason to at least believe we can get promotion.

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Listening to the radio at the end of the match getting boring its all LJL bashing yeah he had a couple of chances one in the first half where he it straight at the goalkeeper and the second effort in the 2nd half which he screwed wide we didn't create many chances and never get many crosses in the box, there is talk about going in to the loan market for a winger  but bringing in a player also can make out team more disjointed.

Well put it this way, I don't think Neilson is a left winger... (and didn't think it before tonight either)
I think we need some serious thought as to what the ideal team would look like cos Neilson obviously has an important role to play.
Off the top of my head I'm thinking 3-4-1-2 or 4-4-1-1
But it needs some serious thought IMO and I'm in no mood to get out the pen and paper...
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80's what would I have done? Whilst I would have probably kept Saturday's team I can appreciate that change.

I also acknowledge that Southport were very well organised and were calm in possession, however, it was clear that they had put five across the middle, which soon became five at the back when we had the ball, and were winning all the second balls. Given Parslow was not having his best night I would have taken him off at half time and brought on Paddy and matched them up with three at the back and Magnay on the right. Cannot recall them attacking down their right flank much all night.

I would also have insisted that Scott Nielson hug the touchline and with Mckreth wide right we try and stretch them out and try and get to the bylines and pull crosses back. Crosses from deep positions were egg and milk for their defenders.

PH is a qualified coach but although accused of tinkering with team selections he never tinkers with our formation during matches, we do not even get the centre half spending the last five minutes up top trying to cause problems.

Would like to see Pitman and Arnold up top and guess I am not alone as these two will not bring us success.
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I don't think we had the players to play 3 at the back last night. If you have that, you're relying on the wingers to become wing-backs. Can you really imagine having Neilson and Mackreth playing as wing-backs? They will both work hard, but neither is capable of defending particularly well.

Unfortunately, there were few other options last night as we just don't have the depth in the squad to change our attacking options when things aren't going well.
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All this over analysis bullshit , its simple we are not good enough with paul at the helm.

no motivation, no tactical awareness and no god damm belief !


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It made me laugh listening to some callers on the radio claiming that we are "better" this season! We are 13th!!!! Lower than teams like Woking, Braintree and Eastleigh!! How the hell is that better?!!!
Going nowhere with PH in charge!  
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It made me laugh listening to some callers on the radio claiming that we are "better" this season! We are 13th!!!! Lower than teams like Woking, Braintree and Eastleigh!! How the hell is that better?!!!
Going nowhere with PH in charge!  


indeed, I think being on the radio must have got to them !

I think they were trying to convince themselves more than anything.


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no motivation, no tactical awareness and no god damm belief !


Spot on!
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All this over analysis bullshit , its simple we are not good enough with paul at the helm.

no motivation, no tactical awareness and no god damm belief !


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Utter garbage performance from players and management. See you all at Dartford!
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80's the 4-4-1-1 formation is the one i use a lot with Nielson then Hannah, with formation would suit Pittman better when he's fit because of his eye for a goal and physical strength he's quick aswell, Hannah is not the player we have had on loan maybe its just his hamstring injuries have taken their toll on him or he's lost a yard but he's not effective as he wants was when he was on loan.
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My take on last night....

Instead of leaving work at half five, dashing about to get to BP for the kick off, sitting about frustrated for the best part of 2 hours and then getting home just after eleven, I could have saved time, money and maybe done something enjoyable with my Tuesday

I thought we were as clueless as I've ever seen us for long time...we didn't control the ball, our passing wasn't up to scratch, we were off the pace, we switched off near the end which lead to their winner and all in all Southport deserved to go home with the 3 points

I get the impression some people think Southport just parked the bus and it was some kind of smash and grab performance by them but in reality, from the kick off to the end, they had desire, good organisation and energy. Everything we seemed to lack

Now whether that's down to the players and the managers I don't know. I listened to RH on the way back home and Macca saying that they came out to a flat atmosphere doesn't cut it for me. There is a responsibility on the team to come out wanting to win, not expecting the crowd to whip them up to perform

I said to my mate before the game that having missed the Chester game on Saturday where by all accounts we deserved the win because we wanted it, I suspected it would be a case of "after the lord mayor's show" and we'd struggle last night.

I really didn't think it would be as bad as it was...Southport would maybe frustrate us I thought but the frustration was more to do with our team than theirs.

Oh well, maybe next season we might be able to put in a performance against them because from what I saw, we'll both be in the same divison again come 2015
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Interesting link but I think there is something in the notion that our players are just not very good.

A manager certainly improves his team's chances of success by getting the tactics right but the even the best tactician in the world is not going to get a group of poor players to consistently win. Tactics can only take you so far. You also need to get other things right like the personnel at your disposal, attitude and belief.


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Interesting link but I think there is something in the notion that our players are just not very good.

A manager certainly improves his team's chances of success by getting the tactics right but the even the best tactician in the world is not going to get a group of poor players to consistently win. Tactics can only take you so far. You also need to get other things right like the personnel at your disposal, attitude and belief.


I don't disagree, I was just pointing out that decision making based on 'gut feelings' rather than rigorous analysis is foolhardy and ignorant. There's a good analytical post over on Grim Outlook which shows Hurst cannot get his squad to play well anywhere near consistently enough to get us promoted - http://s2.excoboard.com/GrimOutlook/45999/2437747/2


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The frustration for me last night was the fact that I think we have some good players who can play clever attacking football and they have shown it in some games to good effect. I am at a loss to understand how those same players then lose the ability to do the basics like controlling the ball, passing accurately, closing the opposition down and playing at a high tempo. Also why did it affect all of the team in the same game? It was almost as if Saturday had taken a lot out of them, they were so lethargic, thus making Southport look like a decent side who wanted it more than us. Even the usually vocal Doig on the touch line gave up and sat down. No-one on or off the pitch seemed capable of changing anything.
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The frustration for me last night was the fact that I think we have some good players who can play clever attacking football and they have shown it in some games to good effect. I am at a loss to understand how those same players then lose the ability to do the basics like controlling the ball, passing accurately, closing the opposition down and playing at a high tempo. Also why did it affect all of the team in the same game? It was almost as if Saturday had taken a lot out of them, they were so lethargic, thus making Southport look like a decent side who wanted it more than us. Even the usually vocal Doig on the touch line gave up and sat down. No-one on or off the pitch seemed capable of changing anything.


Exactly true. It really is baffling that they could all be so bad in a single game.
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