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grimsby pete
September 19, 2014, 10:04am

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Salmond so gracious in defeat....."the people have rejected independance.....at this stage.....and i accept that"  
There is no "at this stage"  you got your way,  you had your campaign, ...they voted...you lost....fck off.

Think we should just refer to Scotland as Northern England from now on.  





Salmond missed a trick there, He should have insisted on two votes,

One for full Independence and one for part independence,

We could then have south Scotland as an independent country,

Northern Scotland would still be in the UK,

Well it works in Ireland.


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Now we should have a referendum on a British football team  


Other than Bale, who from Scotland, Wales and NI would improve the English side?
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Other than Bale, who from Scotland, Wales and NI would improve the English side?


Fergie?  
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I hope that's the last we see of Salmond on our TV for a good while.


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I hope that's the last we see of Salmond on our TV for a good while.


Looks like there'll be one final splurge of Salmond on TV and then he'll be on his way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527

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Looks like there'll be one final splurge of Salmond on TV and then he'll be on his way

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29277527



A big blow for the SNP. I confess I don't particularly like the man but he's got a lot of charisma and wins a lot of voters who might not naturally vote for his party if they knew and understood all the policies they stand for- similar to Farage in that respect.


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A big blow for the SNP. I confess I don't particularly like the man but he's got a lot of charisma and wins a lot of voters who might not naturally vote for his party if they knew and understood all the policies they stand for- similar to Farage in that respect.


If I was a Scot, I would like him as our leader,

BUT

I am English and I can not stand the man for trying to break up our union.


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I live in Glasgow and got to vote today.  Considering I'm an Englishman living in Scotland I decided I'd ignore the propaganda of both sides and do my own research into Scottish independence.  I ended up voting No simply because the basis of an independent Scotland under the proposed plan is of a nationalist agenda.  There is no doubt that Scotland has the resources to exist as an independent country however while the SNP is the governing body, they potentially isolate themselves from a favourable standing in the world.  Considering the SNP government are the ones who would be leading the initial negotiations with rUK prior to 2016 they have given the rUK an advantage by Salmond threatening numerous times that Scotland could renege their share of the UK debt if they don't get a currency union.  This is shooting himself in the foot because Scotland will need foreign investment (including rUK) in developing an independent country.  By threatening non-payment of a fair share of debt accumulated isolates themselves from any potential investors whose decisions are purely risk based.  I learnt a lot about the history of England and Scotland that I simply was not aware of and feel it's something that needs to be taught in schools.  I'll always be an Englishman but I've grown to love Scotland, and in particular the passion of the Scots that I feel we English folk often lack.  I agree with their fight against the unfairness of their representation in Westminster.  Scotland is treated as a region by population when in fact it is it's own country that has entered into this union and thus should have it's national beliefs have a more relevant influence within Westminster.  I am hoping for a narrow victory for No which hopefully will be enough of a scare to cause some unrest in our archaic parliamentary system.  Talking to Scots I was surprised how many weren't even aware there was a referendum on electoral reform in 2011.  I'm sure if a rerun of that referendum occurred with more promotion there'd be a different turn out to the poor 42% that voted before.  Anyway I could waffle all night but I hope there'll be enough from Scotland to let Westminster know their dissatisfaction yet giving Westminster an opportunity to fix the old-fashioned failures of our parliamentary system.


Scotland has 59 MPs for a population of under 5.3million or 90,000 people per MP.
England has 533 MPs for a population of 53 million or 99,000 per MP.
Scotland has its own parliament.
England doesn't.
Scotland gets a bigger central government subsidy per capita than any other part of the UK.

Now in what way is it treated unfairly compared with the other nations of the UK? Or compared to say Yorks and the Humber region?
In what way is it not treated as a separate country? Does England have its own parliament? Didn't Scotland have a vote to decide on its future.

I'm not buying this 'poor, wee Scotland, mistreated by the big bully down South'. I admire Scots as a rule, but they should wake up and smell the coffee. they've been pandered to for too long at the expense of hard up parts of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.


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I did write that when I was extremely drunk and did get carried away with some things.  But you just answered it yourself in your response, in a union of 4 countries, in the Commons where national interests are debated, there's 533 representing England interests and 59 representing Scotland's interests (just pinching your figures, I don't know what it is for Wales and NI but obviously less).  Of course in the Commons it shouldn't matter where they're from because it's a UK government.  However they are elected to represent their local constituencies in that government so naturally there'll be some bias towards their homes.  I know it's just one of the flaws of democracy and there'll always be a part who get left out, or at least feel that way.  I can't help but tthink some sort of devolution of all powers of the individual national interests to England, Scotland, Wales and NI may help.  Therefore keeping a much smaller Westminster parliament, with equal representation regardless of population size, to debate UK-wide interests.  Whatever happens from now on I'm just hoping something positive comes out of this for all of us.


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