my analysis for mansfield town

wasnt a good peformance, up until their 1st goal we was the better team

1st half
by far the best team, passed it well and was providing good service to our forwards and how we didnt score i havnt got a clue with disley pretty much pulling all of the strings with naylor also looking good and so did hannah

snd half you could tell we missed disley, thanoj was very very poor, nayor struggled because he had to cover for him aswell as play in his own position, service dried up and no marking at all for eitheir goals, nven though would have cut out those balls forward which created the chances to score

mckewon little chance with goals nothing to do 6
hatton, lazy passing at times today and not very good free kicks 6
miller did well with pearson, probably my MOTM, 8
pearson, won everything in the air 7.5
devitt, good skills but bad service to forwards 6
disley, pulled strings first half our best player 1st half 6.5
naylor, did very weel first half struggled to cover a bad thanoj 2nd half 7
marshall, 2nd half was awful from him 6
cook, won absoloutly nothing in air today, but showed some good touches 6.5
hannah, did everything but scored 7
thanoj, touched ball like 8 times in 2nd half, scared to show for the ball scared to tackle etc, very very very poor 4
colbeck didnt make an impact 6
brodie,made more of an impact than thanoj and colbeck together but played a part in 2nd goal, 6

strenghts by far the better team for much of the game, some very good play, dont know how we failed to score

weakness final ball and service is very poor, no balls to strikers but every ball over peoples heads, straight to keeper or too defenders, also withought disley and niven our midfield is very very poor


no grammar police please just a football thread please

If Disley was best player til he went off, and you say Thanoj was very,very poor how is it only half a "rattapoint" between them




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Quoted from highcliff mariner

If Disley was best player til he went off, and you say Thanoj was very,very poor how is it only half a "rattapoint" between them




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It isn't it is 2.5 points

Quoted from highcliff mariner

If Disley was best player til he went off, and you say Thanoj was very,very poor how is it only half a "rattapoint" between them




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It isn't it is 2.5 points

Rattapoints   very good analysis IMO

lol oops yea sorry ? my arms are week, my eyes are poor


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Quoted from highcliff mariner

lol oops yea sorry ? my arms are week, my eyes are poor


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Get some glasses

What a rip snortingley riveting read

You obviously can't have rated Aswad's performance much, he was invisible to you!

Not being funny but why not use the 'Just Back' thread like everyone else?

If everyone started their own thread for their views on games this board would be terrible.

Quoted from TAGG

What a rip snortingley riveting read

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Thanoj was pretty anonymous but nobody seems to have mentioned the ridiculously good pass he threaded through to Devitt in the penalty box early in the second half who then had acres of space to pick out a striker, but I think Hannah could only hit the bar (or did it go straight over?) from his cross.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Thanoj was pretty anonymous but nobody seems to have mentioned the ridiculously good pass he threaded through to Devitt in the penalty box early in the second half who then had acres of space to pick out a striker, but I think Hannah could only hit the bar (or did it go straight over?) from his cross.

It was a lovely weighted pass and I thought it glanced off the front of the bar. Would have been a lovely goal - just after that brilliant save their keeper had made down to his right. Let's be honest, Thanoj has been picked out because LJL didn't get a run out.

For too much of this season we've relied heavily on our defensive prowess whilst not really gelling up front with any of the partnerships tried. One can only imagine what a fit Liam Hearn would have done BACKED by such a great back line. A look at the number of goals our strikers have managed between them in comparison to individuals in our rivals shows an inherrent problem. Whilst I've shared the view that a scruffy one goal win is still three points etc. it is our apparent lack of a workable plan B if we fall behind that could prove our undoing. I cannot remember too many games this season where we've fallen behind and gone on to win. Last night if we'd got the first goal I'm confident our defence wouldn't have conceded twice.

Thomas 7 - IMO best game for a while
Thanoj is an enigma - superb pass for Devitt (who them wasted yet another good crossing opportunity) - then can't seem to get in the game and becomes a bit of a passenger.
Best performance for a long while and how we didn;t get something is a mystery - not it's not actually...bad luck, bad finishing, bad final ball

Quoted from Stevie Saunders

Thomas 7 - IMO best game for a while
Thanoj is an enigma - superb pass for Devitt (who them wasted yet another good crossing opportunity) - then can't seem to get in the game and becomes a bit of a passenger.
Best performance for a long while and how we didn;t get something is a mystery - not it's not actually...bad luck, bad finishing, bad final ball

I didn't think there was much wrong with Devitts crossing last night. There were at least two occasions in the second half where crosses weren't stuck away from reasonable distances.

Quoted from barralad

I didn't think there was much wrong with Devitts crossing last night. There were at least two occasions in the second half where crosses weren't stuck away from reasonable distances.

Well that is because we are too static, nobody is there streaming in to get the ball as it flashes across goal, if it isnt to them they dont move

Quoted from aaron rattray

Well that is because we are too static, nobody is there streaming in to get the ball as it flashes across goal, if it isnt to them they dont move

Absolute nonsense! Last night Hannah's movement in the box was excellent, creating space for himself and others.

I would also disagree with barralad about Devitts crossing. On too many occasions his crosses were hit within comfortable distance of the keeper who gathered easily. I can excuse the old boy his lack of judgement as not many people of his advanced years can get to games, let alone see what is happening  

Happy Birthday btw

Have to say very good analysis mate, but Cook winning nothing in the air, are you joking? Lol baring in mind once we conceded all the team did was lump balls up to him! He won everything and when he didnt he drew the foul, he worked his socks off all game and although wasnt as lively as Hannah in attacking positions he nearly scored a header and was a text book target man. Love him.

Our problems relating to players are these IMO:

None of our wide players are performing with consistency and are drifting in and out of games. Delievery from set pieces and crosses has generally been disappoinnting. Colbeck is the worst culprit for me.  At times is has been infuriating. Too many games are won or lost by set-pieces and crosses and we can't afford to be rubbish. This is the main reason we're not scoring enough goals. The other reason for me is - we're messing about with the forward permeatations too much. Not enough patience or faith is shown if a player has an indifferent game or two, selection 'gambles' haven't paid off, or substitutions have had little or no effect. Plus - injuries to key players has affected our stability. The Hatton/Wood/Thomas interchange is not bringing the best out of any of them, and you could argue that they've all, at times, deserved to lose their place to one of the others. Again, lack of continuity and lack of consistency. Also, the level of performance that specific departed players displayed has been sorely missed (Pond) or has not been replicated by their replacement - Nielson/Devitt.

Quoted from chaos33

Our problems relating to players are these IMO:

None of our wide players are performing with consistency and are drifting in and out of games. Delievery from set pieces and crosses has generally been disappoinnting. Colbeck is the worst culprit for me.  At times is has been infuriating. Too many games are won or lost by set-pieces and crosses and we can't afford to be rubbish. This is the main reason we're not scoring enough goals. The other reason for me is - we're messing about with the forward permeatations too much. Not enough patience or faith is shown if a player has a bad game or two, selection 'gambles' haven't paid off, or substitutions have had little or no effect. Plus - injuries to key players has affected our stability. The Hatton/Wood/Thomas interchange is not bringing the best out of any of them, and you could argue that they've all, at times, deserved to lose their place to one of the others. Again, lack of continuity and lack of consistency. Finally, the level of performance that specific departed players displayed has not been replicated by their replacements - Pond and Nielson specifically.

I think Miller has replaced Pond superbly (the only thing lacking is Ponds goals but defensively Miller has been superb imo)

Quoted from BIGChris

I think Miller has replaced Pond superbly (the only thing lacking is Ponds goals but defensively Miller has been superb imo)

Yes, I agree and I thought that as soon as I'd typed it. Miller has indeed been superb. I haven't phrased it well and that's why I've edited it immediately - I mean that Pond's presence, consistency and goals have just been missed, as they would be by any team. I don't mean, in his case, that the replacement hasn't been good enough. Do you agree with the other points BC?

I think the Devitt/Nielson issue is interesting. I rate Nielson as an excellent player at this level and I though it would be almost impossible to replace him, but I didn't expect us to get Devitt - a player who is certainly as good and arguably better than Nielson. It's a real disappointment and a loss to us that he is just not playing to his own standard, or isn't getting in the team.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

It was a lovely weighted pass and I thought it glanced off the front of the bar. Would have been a lovely goal - just after that brilliant save their keeper had made down to his right. Let's be honest, Thanoj has been picked out because LJL didn't get a run out.

Thanoj has being picked out because he was crap
I rate him, but Naylor was doing 2 mens work on Tuesday.

Also, all season, it's alarmed me how slow we are to a 2nd ball, anybody seen us win one yet this season?

Quoted from brad_gtfc

Thanoj has being picked out because he was crap
I rate him, but Naylor was doing 2 mens work on Tuesday.

Also, all season, it's alarmed me how slow we are to a 2nd ball, anybody seen us win one yet this season?

We win a huge amount of 2nd balls in the key area of in and around our box.

I have posted previously that we dont seem to press the ball 'high up the pitch' seemingly prefering to drop off and squeeze from a deeper position. I think this is a primary reason why our defensive record has been so good and perhaps why we dont have people around to pick up 2nd balls further forward???

Noticed the same thing many times. With Dis/Niv in the central pair, when the opposition have the ball, we drop incredibly deep and almost play 6-2-2 with the 2 central guys in front of the CB's, 2 forwards and the 2 wingers staying out wide leaving a gaping hole in the centre of the park.
This is great for defensive solidity, but as soon as we win the ball and invariably launch it forwards, the front 2 are completely isolated and if a winger doesn't latch onto the clearance, the ball is mopped up by the opposing midfield. I'm continually frustrated by the central 2 dropping into the same area thus creating that gap. As good as Dis/Niv have been, neither can be described as a Groves type to maraud from box to box. I hoped Naylor may be this type of player and the new lad from Hull (Can't remember his name already...soz) may be the answer. I lkike Thanoj as a player but he needs that protection from a Niven to allow himself to be effective.

Quoted from BIGChris

We win a huge amount of 2nd balls in the key area of in and around our box.

I have posted previously that we dont seem to press the ball 'high up the pitch' seemingly prefering to drop off and squeeze from a deeper position. I think this is a primary reason why our defensive record has been so good and perhaps why we dont have people around to pick up 2nd balls further forward???

Thats a fair point, never really looked at it that way.