Player price tags ?

Just for a bit of football discussion really....

First want to say I obviously don't want any of our players to go !
But started thinking how many good young players we've got here and what any possible value is or could be in the future.

Suppose you don't get too many fees paid these days but this is my random guess what we COULD get for them over time...

So if like if I say McKeown £75K-250K then it means I think he's worth a fee of 75K right now but we could possibly get 250K in the future if he continues to improve.

Taking age() into account (apologies if any are wrong) and not taking loanees into account at all, here's my wild guess at a few....

McKeown (23) £75K - £250K
Thomas(23) £100K - £500K
Wood (21) £20K - £200K
Pearson (22?) £250K - £1million
Thanoj (19?) £100K - £700K
Hearn (27) £450K - £1million (depending on fitness levels when he returns)
Cook (22) £50K - £1million
Southwell (19) £20K - £250K

Missed out some very good and important players but guess anyone over the age of 26 (which includes a few of the loanees out of interest !) isn't gonna command very much at all in the future, barring any miracles.

Except for Hearn of course, who has already proved what an AWESOME all round player he is !

Of the loanees think Hannah is 27 too of course but whilst he is just a very good goalscorer, arguably doesn't have half as much effect on games as Liam who can hold the ball up and make things happen all on his own.
Neilson is nearly 26 but whilst he has obviously quality, has yet to prove (at least to me) he's worth any enormous fee due to his lack of consistency.
Marshall is younger (23) but equally needs to prove more to command any real fee and Pondy I think is nearly 28 ?

Anyway what do YOU think ?
Have I underestimated or over-estimated their current value or their POTENTIAL value ?

I can't see where on earth someone would pay a milliion for andy cook, good lad and i ithink he's coming on well but nowhere near that. macca maybe more, good keepers are worth good money.

Quoted from kevikov

I can't see where on earth someone would pay a milliion for andy cook, good lad and i ithink he's coming on well but nowhere near that. macca maybe more, good keepers are worth good money.

Well was sticking my neck out there but my thinking is goalscorer, good in the air, good feet, skillful, improving.
Don't get me wrong, not saying he WILL just saying it could if all goes well.

Quoted from Poojah

That's madness. You could buy the whole squad for a million.

Well we are in the BSP mate.
But which players do you think are worth a lot more ?

Quoted from 1600

McKeown (23) £75K - £250K
Thomas(23) £100K - £500K
Wood (21) £20K - £200K
Pearson (22?) £250K - £1million
Thanoj (19?) £100K - £700K
Hearn (27) £450K - £1million (depending on fitness levels when he returns)
Cook (22) £50K - £1million
Southwell (19) £20K - £250K

You're 'avin me on, right?

Think you've been playing too much footie manager.

All too high ?
It's only a "might be".
If players improve and we get promoted I wouldn't be too suprised if a few are reached tbh.

Some good talking points there, and I like the idea of the 'all things considered' and 'theoretically over time' concept of judging player value. I reckon most of your valuation ranges seem just about reasonable, although I think there's something of an inflation in the scope of Pearson's value, as well as Cook's (he'll never be a million pound player) and probably also Southwell. For me, league position and the relative success of the team are hugely influential - if we fall away badly and finish 13th, most of those players won't be worth anything like the figures you've quoted, showing us what a transient notion it is after all. Another thing worth mentioning - Liam Hearn is probably worth a fair bit less now than he was at the end of last season.

Generally speaking, as long as we're a conference team, I don't see any of our players fetching more than 2/300K.

I'd say everyone is at least 50% too high.
To say Andy Cook is worth £50,000 or Bradley Wood £20,000 is beyond laughable.

Well Wood maybe but not sure I agree with Cook - is beefier and fitter now than he was at Barrow when he scored a lot of goals.
I wouldn't sell him now for £100K let alone £50K.

Quoted from chaos33

if we fall away badly and finish 13th, most of those players won't be worth anything like the figures you've quoted, showing us what a transient notion it is after all.

Quoted from chaos33

Generally speaking, as long as we're a conference team, I don't see any of our players fetching more than 2/300K.

Agree !
Except Hearn and Pearson maybe. (who I think is showing all the traits of being possibly a bloody good player)

Quoted from Alfie

I'd say everyone is at least 50% too high.
To say Andy Cook is worth £50,000 or Bradley Wood £20,000 is beyond laughable.

Nah, I don't think it is 'beyond laughable'. He's giving a theoretical range of potential values, qualified with certain possibilities. It seems perfectly justifiable to me to think that Bradley Wood might perhaps be worth £20,000. He might be worth more and he might be worth nothing as a 'saleable player' but it's not 'beyond laughable' is it. It seems perfectly plausible to me. Why are you so certain?

Quoted from 1600

Agree !
Except Hearn and Pearson maybe. (who I think is showing all the traits of being possibly a bloody good player)

I agree that Pearson has been much better this season than last and looks a good centre back but your range is 250k - 1 million. The minimum amount is too high and too arbitrary for me - I don't see us getting 250k for him right now. I think the bottom end of the range is harder to call than the top. In a lot of ways they should all be worth nowt to whatever top-end figure you like. It's not really reasonable to say, "Right, Pearson has had a good 15 games or so this season - he's now worth at least 250 grand".

See your point there but it begs the question how much would you be prepared to sell him for right now ?

Yes it does beg that question, and I think it's a good point you make. I don't know really. How much will you give me for him?

Good question !
Which club am I ?  

The old adage is that something is worth what someone is willing to pay.

The pyramid is si top-heavy in terms of spending power: a decent div 4 conference player is worth 50k because thatsall the money down here stretches to. . . A poor-average (english) prem player  would probably command 500k +  . . The difference in the playets is not as large as the difference in price. (if that makes sense)

If the price tags at the top of your estimates were true. . . We wouldnt see fenty for dust lol

Quoted from shotandcursed

The old adage is that something is worth what someone is willing to pay.

The pyramid is si top-heavy in terms of spending power: a decent div 4 conference player is worth 50k because thatsall the money down here stretches to. . . A poor-average (english) prem player  would probably command 500k +  . . The difference in the playets is not as large as the difference in price. (if that makes sense)

Yeah think you make some very good points.

tbh the upper ones are only "might be's" and would most likely certainly depend on promotion(s) (like you refer to about the league pyramid and should have perhaps pointed that out), potentially fulfilling potential LOL and everything going well.

How much players are worth now is a tricky and perhaps somewhat touchy subject, if only because we'd like to/will hang on to all our best players in the push for promotion and it's arguably a big risk to even consider breaking that up unless perhaps it's silly silly money but who knows.

Think you and chaos made some good points, that things can change quick, go one way or the other and it's all down to what people are prepared to pay too.

Suppose really, I was trying to make the wider point that the future COULD be rosy long term if things work out this season with the younger players we've got here.

But perhaps I've fallen into the trap of thinking way too far ahead.
There's a long way to go yet this season and who knows what may happen next season if things don't go the way we all wish.
From that perspective it's a bit of a misnomer of a question to some extent so really hope no-one reads too much into any of the figures !
Like I said they're only wild guesses and based on long term & best case scenarios.

Isn't shaun Pearson about 24

Quoted from 1600

McKeown (23) £75K - £250K
Thomas(23) £100K - £500K
Wood (21) £20K - £200K
Pearson (22?) £250K - £1million
Thanoj (19?) £100K - £700K
Hearn (27) £450K - £1million (depending on fitness levels when he returns)
Cook (22) £50K - £1million
Southwell (19) £20K - £250K

Anyway what do YOU think ?

I think you should pack in smoking those funny fags.

I would not give you 20 oranges for southwell.

Quoted from 1600

Just for a bit of football discussion really....

First want to say I obviously don't want any of our players to go !
But started thinking how many good young players we've got here and what any possible value is or could be in the future.

Suppose you don't get too many fees paid these days but this is my random guess what we COULD get for them over time...

So if like if I say McKeown £75K-250K then it means I think he's worth a fee of 75K right now but we could possibly get 250K in the future if he continues to improve.

Taking age() into account (apologies if any are wrong) and not taking loanees into account at all, here's my wild guess at a few....

McKeown (23) £75K - £250K
Thomas(23) £100K - £500K
Wood (21) £20K - £200K
Pearson (22?) £250K - £1million
Thanoj (19?) £100K - £700K
Hearn (27) £450K - £1million (depending on fitness levels when he returns)
Cook (22) £50K - £1million
Southwell (19) £20K - £250K

Hannah  £2,000 - £3,000
Neilson   £2,000 - £3,000
Pond      £2,000 - £3,000
Marshall  £1,500,-£2,500

That looks better 80's  

Quoted from jonnyboy82

I would not give you 20 oranges for southwell.

You will be eating your words on that one mate, he`s improving all the while and the only difference between him and Hannah IMHO is experience and accurate finishing two aspects that are bound to come, go watch him in the reserves

Quoted from Garth

You will be eating your words on that one mate, he`s improving all the while and the only difference between him and Hannah IMHO is experience and accurate finishing two aspects that are bound to come, go watch him in the reserves

Well i hope i am wrong..

if im wrong i will give you 20 oranges mate  

All far too high, theres a reason not many players go for fees at this level. Clubs won't take risks on buying players from non-league clubs unless they have alot of potential or are proven.

They will either wait till they are out of contract before buying them or just not bother.

The fact you think southwell is worth 20k right now despite doing nothing for anybody is laughable, maybe in the future if he plays plenty of games and does something he's not shown so far. Also I bet we paid around 10k for Cook so the fact you think he is already worth 50k a jump in value of 5 times, despite scoring only 3 goals in 20 games is also funny.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Well i hope i am wrong..

if im wrong i will give you 20 oranges mate  

Thanks! better than sour grapes!

Quoted from cod.gtfc

All far too high, theres a reason not many players go for fees at this level. Clubs won't take risks on buying players from non-league clubs unless they have alot of potential or are proven.

They will either wait till they are out of contract before buying them or just not bother.

The fact you think southwell is worth 20k right now despite doing nothing for anybody is laughable, maybe in the future if he plays plenty of games and does something he's not shown so far. Also I bet we paid around 10k for Cook so the fact you think he is already worth 50k a jump in value of 5 times, despite scoring only 3 goals in 20 games is also funny.

This is probably the first and last time i agree with you.

Quoted from Garth

Thanks! better than sour grapes!

haha..

i just do not see anything extra special in him IMO.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

haha..

i just do not see anything extra special in him IMO.

Southwell has got potential , wether he fulfills that is up to him,

I can see him turning into a really good player.

Daryl Clare had lots of potential,  he could have done a lot better than non league if he put his mind to it .

Quoted from grimsby pete

That looks better 80's  

LOL think you're overpricing Pond there, think we can get him for free   (course it's all about wages too)

Seriously though, see people points and it's all about opinions.
Perhaps I'm wrong...

Yeah Southwell may have done "nothing" but he's only 19 and got potential.
Not saying we'd get 20K for him, just saying that's what I think he's probably worth to us right now.

One question, how much did we pay for Hearn and how many games did it take him to score ?
If you rely just on a handful of stats....

So cod you'd let Cook go for 50K ?
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion...

TRY MORE THIS...

This is based on what I think we could ever get for them (maximum).

Greg Fleming - FREE
Sam Hatton - FREE
Aswad Thomas - 20k
Derek Niven - FREE
Shaun Pearson - 15k
Ian Miller - FREE
Joe Colbeck - 5k
Craig Disley (club captain) - FREE
Liam Hearn - 75K
Frankie Artus - FREE
Andy Cook - 10K
James McKeown - 30K
Simon Ford - FREE
Greg Pearson - FREE
Bradley Wood - 5K
Dayle Southwell - 10K
Andi Thanoj - 15K

What I think we should pay for our loans:

Nathan Pond (on loan from Fleetwood Town) - 15k
Scott Neilson (on loan from Crawley Town) - 30k
Ross Hannah (on loan from Bradford City) - 30k
Marcus Marshall (on loan from Bury) - FREE

£75K for Hearn ?
£50K for Thanoj, Pearson & Thomas combined ?!  

I'd hope not !
Clubs would be laughing all the way to the bargain basement that's GTFC !

Suppose there's a difference between what you might get and what they might be worth to you but jeez, even so.

Sorry mate but if someone came in with those offers would you REALLY sell ?
Be honest...

Quoted from 1600

£75K for Hearn ?
£50K for Thanoj, Pearson & Thomas combined ?!  

I'd hope not !
Clubs would be laughing all the way to the bargain basement that's GTFC !

Suppose there's a difference between what you might get and what they might be worth to you but jeez, even so.

Sorry mate but if someone came in with those offers would you REALLY sell ?
Be honest...

The only players at the moment that i think we could get any sort of fee for are Pearson, Thomas and Mckeown, at the moment i don't think any of them would go for more than 100k. Hearn would heve been nearer 200 grand in Jan had he stayed fit and continued to find the net.

Pearson is the one that if we get into the league could eventually go for big money.

I like some of the players you have mentioned but players like southwell who i think is a good prospect may struggle to get a contract let alone command a fee. as others have said i think you should maybe knock football manager on the head.

I would also be disapointed if we paid a fee for any of the loanees as they are surplus at their parent clubs.

Quoted from 1600

LOL think you're overpricing Pond there, think we can get him for free   (course it's all about wages too)

Seriously though, see people points and it's all about opinions.
Perhaps I'm wrong...

Yeah Southwell may have done "nothing" but he's only 19 and got potential.
Not saying we'd get 20K for him, just saying that's what I think he's probably worth to us right now.

One question, how much did we pay for Hearn and how many games did it take him to score ?
If you rely just on a handful of stats....

So cod you'd let Cook go for 50K ?
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion...

firstly Southwell may have potential, but he's not shown it yet, yes he may be worth 20k to us if you look at it that way, but nobody is going to come in and offer 20k for him right now are they?

Hearn may have taken a few games to score, but he already had a great record in every single season he had played in even if that was at a lower level. Cook has only had one good season and that was last year and is still young. I might let Cook go for 50k right now as it would be a decent profit for nothing (if we did pay 10k), however we would need to have a replacement lined up as we are short up front, but then if anybody came in and offered 50k I'd be shocked.

As somebody else said its not about much they are worth to us, its about how much somebody else is willing to pay. As I said nobody is going to come in and pay the sort of money you have quoted. If you think those players are worth what you have quoted then I'd hazard a guess we'd never sell any of them and they would all leave for free when out of contract.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

As somebody else said its not about much they are worth to us, its about how much somebody else is willing to pay.

No it's not, that the whole point !

It's like you've bet £20 on a football accumulator and you know you'll probably get nothing back.
But you might get the ticket up and win the bet later too !
But the bet's value is still £20 even if the ultimate outcome is zero.

Value isn't just about what you can get for them NOW - who's gonna walk in the betting shop and offer me anything for my betslip ?

It's not about ability NOW, it's about age = POTENTIAL
And the associated RISK if you flog promising young players too cheap instead of hanging on to them and developing them as you (hopefully) climb up the league to command a much bigger fee.

Why do you think YOUNGER players command fees and older ones don't ?
What do you think "investing in the future" means ?

Tell you what cod, flog all out young prospects off for a pittance - that'll work !

I swear chaos must be the only one on here who understands....
Either that or people just love to argue the toss, my money's on the latter.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

I might let Cook go for 50k right now as it would be a decent profit for nothing (if we did pay 10k)

You'd be barmy IMO.
But hey, I'll just forget my own eyes and what Paul Hurst says when he says "there's a player there" and just take your word instead.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

but then if anybody came in and offered 50k I'd be shocked.

Well done, I never would have known...