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October 30, 2012, 12:14pm
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Just a thought - maybe our style of play suits the more attacking formations that teams put out when they are playing at home.  I much prefer to see Town away, not just because of the frequently better atmosphere, but at BP, teams have us sussed out, whereas a more open end to end match is better all round. (As an exile, I get to more away games than home ones).
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October 30, 2012, 2:29pm

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By the sounds of it, we created several great oppertunities against Macc and their keeper played a blinder.

You can't ask for more than to keep trying to get a goal.

We are lacking a real poacher. Elding has missed far to many sitters for me, I would hate to work out how many.

We need Cooke to get his form going and Hannah will always score goals.


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October 30, 2012, 2:36pm
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By the sounds of it, we created several great oppertunities against Macc and their keeper played a blinder.

You can't ask for more than to keep trying to get a goal.

We are lacking a real poacher. Elding has missed far to many sitters for me, I would hate to work out how many.

We need Cooke to get his form going and Hannah will always score goals.

But hannah after a good start has gone very quiet


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But hannah after a good start has gone very quiet


From what I've seen Hanna doesn't contribute to the game outside of the penalty box. I doubt you'll see much of him aside from when he pops one in the net. A poor mans Owen, his like are becoming unfashionable as teams switch to a 4-3-3 with the central striker becoming the focal point.
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Less expectation is one reason: us away supporters just want to have a good day out and travel in hope more than the aforementioned 'expectation'.

Teams do shut up shop/park the bus etc. etc at BP and we've got the break them down better at times, but we are not always going to score four or five when playing sides who play with 10 at the back. We have too many BP spectators who expect an attacking showcase every match: that's the problem, the players can feel the tension it's palpable all around the ground.


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Obivously they don't like playing before a BIG crowd


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I think its our tactics, as much as I think we have a strong squad with a top chance of getting promoted this year, we aren't very adaptable. We have come from behind to get a point ONCE this season, that for me is not good enough.

We only know how to play one way, soaking up some pressure and hitting sides on the break with pace. Not only is that an 'away tactic' but it's also easy to find us out. Last season we just went out and battered teams but this season we've only comfortably beaten sides that have gone at us, that's not going to happen a lot at BP. It's a tactic that clearly works away from home and probably works very well against almost all the top sides in this league at home, but it really isn't going to work all season against the sides who are going to come and sit 10 men behind the ball.
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Maybe it is because there is too much pressure on the players at home, sometimes I can actually feel the tension in the air in the upper findus! Perhaps it doesn't do any good when one player makes one mistake and after that everything thing they do they are moaned at for, even if it is good! This is only by the minority of idiots, these are the ones putting all the tension in the air and pressure on the players!

At away games I feel there is a much more relaxed atmosphere!

That raises the question, does pressure form supporters at home really cause the players to play more caustically, not be as adventurous and possibly be scared of making a mistake? IMHO I think it shouldn't but understand why it would. I sometimes wouldn't want to play in front of the minority of people who sit in the findus, particularly the upper!


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Less expectation is one reason: us away supporters just want to have a good day out and travel in hope more than the aforementioned 'expectation'.

Teams do shut up shop/park the bus etc. etc at BP and we've got the break them down better at times, but we are not always going to score four or five when playing sides who play with 10 at the back. We have too many BP spectators who expect an attacking showcase every match: that's the problem, the players can feel the tension it's palpable all around the ground.


Hit the nail on the head in my opinion.

It's not that they can't play before a big croud. Just a big croud at BP who expect well too much. You can sense the atmosphere whilst you are in the stands before a ball is even kicked and so can the players, mangers and everybody else. I know some will say "so it's the fans fault?" Maybe not, but fans in the stands can create an atmosphere, whether it be good or bad and it CAN effect the game. Have you never heard of the saying "fans are the team's 12th man?" Not saying that was the case last weekend though, Macclesfield's keeper won that game for them. We just couldn't get it past him, those that say other wise were either not there or weren't watching. They didn't even look like scoring without a peno.


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From what I've seen Hanna doesn't contribute to the game outside of the penalty box. I doubt you'll see much of him aside from when he pops one in the net. A poor mans Owen, his like are becoming unfashionable as teams switch to a 4-3-3 with the central striker becoming the focal point.


So we do not want  a goal poacher? One thing we have lacked is a player who is dangerous and waits in and around the box. Get Hearn back and we could have a lethal attack.

Can we sell Elding to Preston please, I can not bear any more sitter being missed  


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Home and away points and goal difference are extremely similar, neither are massively different so i would say we are extremely consistent as a team this year.
Not a bad thing at all.


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October 31, 2012, 12:28am
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Lot of very good points on here but still think we put ourselves under pressure with slow starts.

If they can come out determined 2nd half why can't they do the same 1st ?
Surely we've got to try to whip up the crowd and try to get them onside a bit earlier ?
An early goal could work wonders all round.

That said Stockport ended in defeat so god knows, I was there but can't really remember...
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October 31, 2012, 10:16am
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So we do not want  a goal poacher? One thing we have lacked is a player who is dangerous and waits in and around the box. Get Hearn back and we could have a lethal attack.

Can we sell Elding to Preston please, I can not bear any more sitter being missed  


I wasn't criticising Hanna, just pointing out he doesn't contribute a great deal outside of the 18 yard box and suggesting the days of this kind of striker are numbered, particularly in a 4-3-3 formation.
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Maybe it is because there is too much pressure on the players at home, sometimes I can actually feel the tension in the air in the upper findus! Perhaps it doesn't do any good when one player makes one mistake and after that everything thing they do they are moaned at for, even if it is good! This is only by the minority of idiots, these are the ones putting all the tension in the air and pressure on the players!

At away games I feel there is a much more relaxed atmosphere!

That raises the question, does pressure form supporters at home really cause the players to play more caustically, not be as adventurous and possibly be scared of making a mistake? IMHO I think it shouldn't but understand why it would. I sometimes wouldn't want to play in front of the minority of people who sit in the findus, particularly the upper!
have to agree  despite a lot of the players here probably being of a decent standard for this level they are human and will feel the pressure from time to time being at a once big club with the expectation of many fans that we should at least be in league 2 or I believe league 1(where a club of this size should ideally be).



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October 31, 2012, 11:59am
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Ideally, we should be in the championship. It's where we have spent most of our 134 years, but I appreciate those days are probably gone - one look at the big clubs in that division nowadays suggests it would be tough for clubs our size to fight so far above our weight. League 1 and days out at fallen City clubs would do nicely.
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I think its our tactics, as much as I think we have a strong squad with a top chance of getting promoted this year, we aren't very adaptable. We have come from behind to get a point ONCE this season, that for me is not good enough.

We only know how to play one way, soaking up some pressure and hitting sides on the break with pace. Not only is that an 'away tactic' but it's also easy to find us out. Last season we just went out and battered teams but this season we've only comfortably beaten sides that have gone at us, that's not going to happen a lot at BP. It's a tactic that clearly works away from home and probably works very well against almost all the top sides in this league at home, but it really isn't going to work all season against the sides who are going to come and sit 10 men behind the ball.


For me this is the reason. We're a strong counter-attacking team and pretty good on the break, and this isn't really suited for home teams tactics.


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Surpised no one has touched on this, that or I have missed it.  Maybe Scott has told them that if they play excrement they are walking home  


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Surpised no one has touched on this, that or I have missed it.  Maybe Scott has told them that if they play excrement they are walking home  
wouldn't put it pass him  



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Surpised no one has touched on this, that or I have missed it.  Maybe Scott has told them that if they play excrement they are walking home  


He will have to tell them that if they don't perform at home they'll have to walk to their next away game!


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