Lads in court today!!!

Just thought i would put on here that 7 lads from Grimsby are in chesterfield today in court !!!

I have read some very interesting statements and im sure a couple of them will be putting some stuff on here after friday when the stitch up is over !!

I have travelled home and away with one or two of them and although he can get a bit loud and verbal he is a good lad i heard far worse language at Barton by mr Scott and there were kids next to him...........May i also add he was one of the 150 or so at Barrow on a cold wet tuesday night


UTM

Stitch up?

Am guessing this was at alfy?

Chesterfield? What match does it relate to?

Quoted from Super Clive

Stitch up?

Am guessing this was at alfy?

Yeah sorry

I have read the paper work its rubbish ..........1 lad pleaded guilty as he can not go back Friday he got a 3 yr ban and i think just over £400 fine

It's for what happened at Alfreton last season.

I know one lad got fined £485 and got a 3 year banning order.

Yeah big shame really cos the lad is a good loyal supporter(as are all of them in court),tho in fairness he has been on doddsy's wanted list for a while now,ive seen him at matches for years and never seen him in any situation where trouble or violence has been present.

Quoted from andypandy04

Yeah big shame really cos the lad is a good loyal supporter(as are all of them in court),tho in fairness he has been on doddsy's wanted list for a while now,ive seen him at matches for years and never seen him in any situation where trouble or violence has been present.

if its the same lad who is my mate he just lets his mouth go a bit but never any worse than that .............When he was asked not to attend any games when it first happened he took his ticket money into the ground a few days before and gave his cash to the youth set up  

UTM

I'm sure Doddsy is a wonderful man outside of his work but how can the people in charge not see he is quite clearly out of his depth?

Quoted from Codzilla

I'm sure Doddsy is a wonderful man outside of his work but how can the people in charge not see he is quite clearly out of his depth?

I disagree, i don't think he is a wonderful man.

I was led to believe that Dodds was member of the Humberside Police Force, who if my thoughts are correct have a single one rule action regarding any criminal offence committed at a football ground or in a public place. What I witnessed when we played Hull pre-season totally contridicted that understanding, from what I witnessed the Hull element who attended caused both alarm and distress to general members of the public in Harrington street after the game, the Police dogs were used to restrain them and the fore mentioned PC Dodds did not do anything, i.e no arrests, or cautions. If that had been home support several would now be on banning orders.
I questioned a fairly important employee of the club who stated "we know what he is like (Dodds) the man is a knob, but we cannot do anything about him.
I do not condone any sort of violence at or away from football but this man does have a problem with the town support.

i found out today there was a bit of a c0ck up by the police it did make me laugh after it is all done am sure it will all come on here . . . Id love 2 put it on here now really would   

3 year banning order for a bit of fence rattling? Sheesh.

Best warn the kids down the front of the Ponny about banging tunes on the advertising hoardings...

He must have been bullied by a Town fan in school or something. I have found his Town fan hating to be a bit odd...

[quote=2559]i found out today there was a bit of a c0ck up by the police it did make me laugh after it is all done am sure it will all come on here . . . Id love 2 put it on here now really would    [/quo

Dobbsy is the biggest Muppet going, couldn't find his bottom with two hands, would of bin funny to see him 20 years back trying to police round town matches, certainly wouldn't last long. Wouldnt mind know this c0ck up tho for a bit of a giggle  

Better not say anything, he might film the thread! What a waste of tax payers money. I have a feeling he maybe a Scunt or a Gimp who wants to reduce our support by banning order.

Anyone thinking kaz won't get banned think again. If so does't then surly you'd be fck'd off for getting a 3 year ban for swearing and a convicted racist walks away Scott free  

Some ugly bloke on the Alfreton side of the metal fence spat on me that day. Will he be getting a banning order too?

i took my youngest to that game (7 yrs old) and can honestly say in the ground the town fans and i was ony feet away from the fence did nothing wrong,it was the derby/alfereton fans trying to give it the big un (spitting as mentioned) etc.outside im told there was some incidents perhaps the lads got banned for that?

You cant blame dodds for trying to stamp out trouble

Quoted from Chrisblor

Some ugly bloke on the Alfreton side of the metal fence spat on me that day. Will he be getting a banning order too?

Spitting is allowed providing it is between persons of the same ethnicity and gender.

Quoted from STB

Spitting is allowed providing it is between persons of the same ethnicity and gender.

I think those some of those Alfy supporters were of a different species. It's the RSPCA that should be involved for acts of circus cruelty.

I can understand trying to stamp out hooliganism but PC Dodds over zealous policing principles leaves a lot to be desired.  It seems he has diverted away from protecting the public to targeting Town fans to boost his arrest / prosecution numbers.  He is either aiming for promotion or settling some personal vendetta against the club/town/citizens and it is not productive. It's turning ordinary Town fans against the police and what they are meant to stand for.

Maybe the Chief Constable can look at how well he is performing by getting a non league club with less than 4,000 supporters ranked 7th in the whole country for banning orders.  I wonder how well he would perform at say Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Stoke, West Ham and the like.

Someone at the club needs to have a meeting with the Chief Constable and point the above bit out in bold.

Quoted from Marinerz93

I can understand trying to stamp out hooliganism but PC Dodds over zealous policing principles leaves a lot to be desired.  It seems he has diverted away from protecting the public to targeting Town fans to boost his arrest / prosecution numbers.  He is either aiming for promotion or settling some personal vendetta against the club/town/citizens and it is not productive. It's turning ordinary Town fans against the police and what they are meant to stand for.

Maybe the Chief Constable can look at how well he is performing by getting a non league club with less than 4,000 supporters ranked 7th in the whole country for banning orders.  I wonder how well he would perform at say Millwall, Chelsea, Leeds, Stoke, West Ham and the like.

Someone at the club needs to have a meeting with the Chief Constable and point the above bit out in bold.

Good to see Stoke in there 93 !!

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

i took my youngest to that game (7 yrs old) and can honestly say in the ground the town fans and i was ony feet away from the fence did nothing wrong,it was the derby/alfereton fans trying to give it the big un (spitting as mentioned) etc.outside im told there was some incidents perhaps the lads got banned for that?

im thinking maybe town fans running amok in burton one time provoked ill feeling amongst the alfreton/derby lads? its not a million miles away from burton and derby is it?...............maybe people need to realise there is far reaching consequences to thier actions,but silly me,it won,t be our lads fault at all will it?  you get a reputation for football violence and then people start bleating and crying like babies when some shite comes back our way! i bet the i.c.f. are quaking

I'm not sure I buy into that one Bladey.
If Lincoln had been smashed up by Leeds (for example) and then Leeds played town a couple of seasons later, I doubt if many Lincoln would come here to 'help us out'.

Quoted from bladerunnner

im thinking maybe town fans running amok in burton one time provoked ill feeling amongst the alfreton/derby lads? its not a million miles away from burton and derby is it?...............maybe people need to realise there is far reaching consequences to thier actions,but silly me,it won,t be our lads fault at all will it?  you get a reputation for football violence and then people start bleating and crying like babies when some shite comes back our way! i bet the i.c.f. are quaking

What utter bollox you spout! A lot of the most recent nickings are purely down to dodds over zealous personnel vendetta against town fans.
Countless  so called firms have come here with intent last season even Alfreton at home brought some lads down for trouble with not one arrest made, sheff Wednesday last pre season went on the rampage with a few hundred lads a lot worse than anything happened at Burton and gues what just one arrest for violent disorder, dodds only interested in nicking town fans this is the super copper who publicly vowed to eradicate football violence but the egg is well and truly stuck on his face which is why he will nick you for having a bit of banter.

PC Dodds, I'll have you lot know, is a respectable, honorable man doing a fantastic job at wiping out the major offences at football grounds by Grimsby fans.

If only we had more decent PCs like him on the beat on the mean streets of Grimsby and Cleethorpes to catch and convict drug dealers, and the suckers who have been taking in by using drugs and are now having to steal from peoples homes to fund their dirty smack addcition. But, like I said, Mr PC Dodds rightly deals with serious offences at football matches (fence rattling, naughty words etc.) by those animals known as Grimsby Town fans. Thieving smack heads who burglarise peoples homes are rightly low down on the list of priorities when theres easy pickings and stats to be had.

what are these lads in court for? was it something that happened outside the ground? I was stood right by the fence in the ground and saw nothing that would warrant arrest. ive seen old ladys cause more aggro fighting over the reduced stuff in tescos.

Quoted from bogbrush

PC Dodds, I'll have you lot know, is a respectable, honorable man doing a fantastic job at wiping out the major offences at football grounds by Grimsby fans.

If only we had more decent PCs like him on the beat on the mean streets of Grimsby and Cleethorpes to catch and convict drug dealers, and the suckers who have been taking in by using drugs and are now having to steal from peoples homes to fund their dirty smack addcition. But, like I said, Mr PC Dodds rightly deals with serious offences at football matches (fence rattling, naughty words etc.) by those animals known as Grimsby Town fans. Thieving smack heads who burglarise peoples homes are rightly low down on the list of priorities when theres easy pickings and stats to be had.

Waste of time well It's not in some cases namely football offences, the courts are not interested in the smack heads they are in and out of court on A daily basis and therefore get a slap on the wrist which is wrong but the polices efforts are wasted in these cases.

Football on the other hand the courts love an over reaction and harsh sentence. How the fuk its got to that I'll never know.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Some ugly bloke on the Alfreton side of the metal fence spat on me that day. Will he be getting a banning order too?

Was he Flemish ?

Becareful what you right. After a comment at Telford he was happy to tell me my full name, username, my job, age etc.

Not really that impressive as I have never hid behind my username and most town fans know me.
Oh remember you can request information about held by Humberside police For £10! To do with the freedom of information act.

Also any cctv footage has to be destroyed after so long, unless being used for legal action.

Anyway, I will be calming down at games.

Indeed Ian, if you had a criminal record as a minor You can get it wiped of the system when you are 18 all your finger prints and dna also get removed but you have to physically go down to the station and ask them to remove it as they won't otherwise.I use to have a few fighting(not at football) cautions and that on mine  they have all been wiped now and i haven't been in trouble since due to  taking up boxing and mixed marshal arts and generally growing up.

There are loads of stuff like this that people don't know about. Ok not getting into trouble in the first place helps but if you can get your dna and finger prints of the system then do it! You don't know what they use it for, not could get stitched up for a crime you never committed and allsorts!

Pc dodds is a really nice man who cares for your safety, hes a hard working honest family man, he may be over the top but thats because he cares about your safety, he is a really nice man to speak to, he joins in with a couple of chants aswell, nice bloke

Quoted from aaron rattray

he joins in with a couple of chants aswell

Like what?

"What a waste of council tax we pay for your hats"

Quoted from 1739

Like what?

Sutcliffe is our leader.

Quoted from 1739

Like what?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWa7V17n2no

That's more like it.

Quoted from aaron rattray

Pc dodds is a really nice man who cares for your safety, hes a hard working honest family man, he may be over the top but thats because he cares about your safety, he is a really nice man to speak to, he joins in with a couple of chants aswell, nice bloke

Shut up Ratface. I've always fet bad for you and thought people were being bullies but you have absolutely no idea about half the shite you come out with. You just always want to be the centre of attention

At telford town fans was singing doddsy give us a wave and he did, other coppers wouldn't have done that

Quoted from aaron rattray

At telford town fans was singing doddsy give us a wave and he did, other coppers wouldn't have done that

That's probably because they're not called Dodds.

Quoted from Codzilla

Shut up Ratface. I've always fet bad for you and thought people were being bullies but you have absolutely no idea about half the shite you come out with. You just always want to be the centre of attention

How is saying that doddsy is a nice man wanting to be the centre of attention

Have you ever had to deal with him? Have you ever even spoke to him? He may be ok outside of his job but in it he certainly isn't.

Arron, he might smile, wave and all the rest but he's a copper. Why an earth do we have over 100 bans? hes a sly man, very sly indeed. Some of the offences hes got folk collared and banned for are a joke.

A.C.A.B

I dont know this Dodds bloke , but know lots of town fans... I was at Alfreton and 95% of the crap was coming from
the Alfreton side of the fence...  I say again , I dont know this Dodds bloke , dont want to and wud much rather stand
my ground with the town fans and have them in my trench rather than this bloke when push comes to shove

and you can quote me on that,  Dodds.... never met you , but just dont like you....  UTFM !!!!

Quoted from aaron rattray

At telford town fans was singing doddsy give us a wave and he did, other coppers wouldn't have done that

Are you sure was more like Doddsy is a w*nker from the young uns on the right of the stand

All the Doddsy lovers can answer this. How on earth can a club our size with our average gates be like 7th in the country for banning orders? HOW?! I can't remember them but if someone can find the stats there are some clubs we are above that just makes you think how it's possible. Want to know why? Because Doddsy stitches as many people up as he can so he can go show his bosses what a "wonderful" job he is doing.

The ones that deserve bans then that's their own fault but I bet half of our bans would never have been given if any other clubs FI officer was in charge of us.

Never met him, but 'He's a nice bloke protecting everyone's safety' doesn't seem to be the mainstream opinion of him.

Quoted from STB

That's probably because they're not called Dodds.

Beautiful comedy wasted on the self proclaimed new Barrymore.

I would like to know what this dodsy fellow was doing at the Hull friendly when their fans were acting like tossers and refusing to sit down.

Probably cacking himself.

Quoted from Codzilla

All the Doddsy lovers can answer this. How on earth can a club our size with our average gates be like 7th in the country for banning orders? HOW?! I can't remember them but if someone can find the stats there are some clubs we are above that just makes you think how it's possible. Want to know why? Because Doddsy stitches as many people up as he can so he can go show his bosses what a "wonderful" job he is doing.

It's a concern to be honest. I try and keep my head down, yes I enjoy a few pints at away games in particular and I've no interest in fighting but I've been to enough games in my time to know that you never know what or who is around the corner.

And if it goes off and it's a case of fight or die (I've been there) then you can easily end up in court, then banned then sacked then homeless then your life is copulated.

Quoted from STB

That's probably because they're not called Dodds.

Comedy Gold  

You only have to look at that 19-year-old kid in the telegraph last week to see the trumped up nothing-incidents they'll have you banned for nowadays purely to justify the role of a full-time FIO at a conference club getting 30-40 away fans each week:

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk.....17-detail/story.html

So cutting through the sensationalist bullshit, this kid has been banned for three years, had his name & face splashed across the local rag, and has his civil liberties restricted in ridiculous, draconian style for the following 'offences':

• Walking through Burton town centre
  
• Not fighting with Sheff Weds fans
  
• Singing provocatively
  
• Being in the same ground as a smoke bomb
  
• Not going on the pitch, nor attempting to, at Telford
  
• Being seen with a banned supporter
  

You only have to look at the comments from the idiots on the Telegraph website to see how this type of story-from-nothing is having a negative impact on our club and the impression this gives of the fanbase to the rest of the town.

Nick Dale makes me laugh, being quoted in the rag stating how the club won't tolerate this kind of behaviour and how we're a family club. It was only a fortnight ago that they were condoning the return of...well, let's not get into that again!

Quoted from ska face

You only have to look at that 19-year-old kid in the telegraph last week to see the trumped up nothing-incidents they'll have you banned for nowadays purely to justify the role of a full-time FIO at a conference club getting 30-40 away fans each week:

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk.....17-detail/story.html

So cutting through the sensationalist bullshit, this kid has been banned for three years, had his name & face splashed across the local rag, and has his civil liberties restricted in ridiculous, draconian style for the following 'offences':

• Walking through Burton town centre
  
• Not fighting with Sheff Weds fans
  
• Singing provocatively
  
• Being in the same ground as a smoke bomb
  
• Not going on the pitch, nor attempting to, at Telford
  
• Being seen with a banned supporter
  

I read that, thought it was absolutely shocking.

Quoted from ska face

You only have to look at that 19-year-old kid in the telegraph last week to see the trumped up nothing-incidents they'll have you banned for nowadays purely to justify the role of a full-time FIO at a conference club getting 30-40 away fans each week:

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk.....17-detail/story.html

So cutting through the sensationalist bullshit, this kid has been banned for three years, had his name & face splashed across the local rag, and has his civil liberties restricted in ridiculous, draconian style for the following 'offences':

• Walking through Burton town centre
  
• Not fighting with Sheff Weds fans
  
• Singing provocatively
  
• Being in the same ground as a smoke bomb
  
• Not going on the pitch, nor attempting to, at Telford
  
• Being seen with a banned supporter
  

You only have to look at the comments from the idiots on the Telegraph website to see how this type of story-from-nothing is having a negative impact on our club and the impression this gives of the fanbase to the rest of the town.

Nick Dale makes me laugh, being quoted in the rag stating how the club won't tolerate this kind of behaviour and how we're a family club. It was only a fortnight ago that they were condoning the return of...well, let's not get into that again!

Agree with all of that totally. It's all well and fine to "apparently" make law breaking comments but if you walk through Burton town centre you're well and truly copulated

At telford some paper was set on fire but a steward quickly stamped it out, it was literally 5 yards away from me and they wasn't goading telford fans

Quoted from aaron rattray

At telford some paper was set on fire but a steward quickly stamped it out, it was literally 5 yards away from me and they wasn't goading telford fans

Pipe down boy, let the grown ups speak!

Quoted from dazwev

Pipe down boy, let the grown ups speak!

.... good comment... sometimes the lad just doesnt know when to STFU !!!

Quoted from Codzilla

All the Doddsy lovers can answer this. How on earth can a club our size with our average gates be like 7th in the country for banning orders? HOW?! I can't remember them but if someone can find the stats there are some clubs we are above that just makes you think how it's possible. Want to know why? Because Doddsy stitches as many people up as he can so he can go show his bosses what a "wonderful" job he is doing.

I presume most of those banning orders are from Burton - Where would we be ranked if those are excluded?  There were a fair few idiots out that day.

Quoted from dazwev

Pipe down boy, let the grown ups speak!

Sorry sorry im a lorry, beep beep im a jeep

Quoted from aaron rattray

Sorry sorry im a lorry, beep beep im a jeep geep

Quoted from aaron rattray

Sorry sorry im a lorry, beep beep im a jeep

I have seen posts to/about  you and  thought they were unfair and harsh and at times bullying but on this post you have confirmed 2 thing you deserve everthing you get and children should be seen and not heard

Ive been pretty forthright and consistent in my condemnation of any sort of footy violence, but it really does seem that some and I repeat some of those involved are getting the shitty end of the stick. Trouble is that we are now seeing elements of guilt by association in that you follow GTFC therefore you must be a thug. Worse still there seems to be an imbalance in the justice meted out, it's a three year ban whatever the offence. There needs to be a line in the sand very soon before respect for the law is completely lost. Do those with any contacts with the FSA have the opportunity to drive this? Perhaps they could come on here and discuss/advise how we as a group of fans can manage PC Dodds and his crew. What are the Trusts thoughts on the matter?

I just want to see those that should be banned dealt with in the right way, those that don't similarly fairly treated.

A lad I know got banned following the Bournemouth game, even though there was no evidence to suggest he had done anything untoward at this match.
What they did instead was to reel out 11 years worth of footage of him, stood in groups, stood outside pubs and the like, basically attending games whilst dressed smartly, which they sensationalised to the jury thus getting him a banning order.
Watch yourselves, this deviant will have you for tossing a fagend away if he can, and will no doubt back up his trumped up charges with the ropiest of evidence, as he knows it will stick easily in court.
I would love to see him defend his actions on here, we all know he wastes the taxpayers cash by sitting in his office reading these threads, the floors yours PC Dodds, but I'll not hold my breath......

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Ive been pretty forthright and consistent in my condemnation of any sort of footy violence, but it really does seem that some and I repeat some of those involved are getting the shitty end of the stick. Trouble is that we are now seeing elements of guilt by association in that you follow GTFC therefore you must be a thug. Worse still there seems to be an imbalance in the justice meted out, it's a three year ban whatever the offence. There needs to be a line in the sand very soon before respect for the law is completely lost. Do those with any contacts with the FSA have the opportunity to drive this? Perhaps they could come on here and discuss/advise how we as a group of fans can manage PC Dodds and his crew. What are the Trusts thoughts on the matter?

I just want to see those that should be banned dealt with in the right way, those that don't similarly fairly treated.

Amanda Jacks at the FSF is the person to speak to.

Quoted from ska face

Amanda Jacks at the FSF is the person to speak to.

i totally agree with that!

Quoted from flash1

i totally agree with that!

She is very helpful.

[quote=40]Ive been pretty forthright and consistent in my condemnation of any sort of footy violence, but it really does seem that some and I repeat some of those involved are getting the shitty end of the stick. quote]

Are you suggesting that people are convicted without evidence of any wrongdoing?  I would suggest that those people get legal representation because I am not sure how a person could be convicted without evidence of a crime having taken place. I am not so naive to think there could not be false convictions but it seems like everyone on here convicted seems to think they are innocent and this I can't believe!!!

Loads of folk on here bang on at length about their exploits over the years in Yorkshire, GY, Liverpool, Chesterfield etc etc but then complain bitterly that others get convicted and then blame it all on PC Dodds.  All coppers I have ever known look to nick people for crimes, that is their job and that is probably how their performance is judged by their bosses.

I have been to footie matches over the years and have never had any convictions or arrests. . . . . I put this down to not committing any crimes. . . . . Not being skilled at avoiding the wrong place at the wrong time.

Out of interest, I think we have around 100 on banning orders or in nick becasue of football related violence. . . . . .what number of these do you think have been stitched up and are actually innocent?  Serious question

Quoted from 1054

[quote=40]
Out of interest, I think we have around 100 on banning orders or in nick becasue of football related violence. . . . . .what number of these do you think have been stitched up and are actually innocent?  Serious question

29 stitched up, 71 genuine convictions.

Quoted from STB

29 stitched up, 71 genuine convictions.

The Birmingham 6
The Grimsby 29

Quoted from 1054

[quote=40]Ive been pretty forthright and consistent in my condemnation of any sort of footy violence, but it really does seem that some and I repeat some of those involved are getting the shitty end of the stick. quote]

Are you suggesting that people are convicted without evidence of any wrongdoing?  I would suggest that those people get legal representation because I am not sure how a person could be convicted without evidence of a crime having taken place. I am not so naive to think there could not be false convictions but it seems like everyone on here convicted seems to think they are innocent and this I can't believe!!!

Loads of folk on here bang on at length about their exploits over the years in Yorkshire, GY, Liverpool, Chesterfield etc etc but then complain bitterly that others get convicted and then blame it all on PC Dodds.  All coppers I have ever known look to nick people for crimes, that is their job and that is probably how their performance is judged by their bosses.

I have been to footie matches over the years and have never had any convictions or arrests. . . . . I put this down to not committing any crimes. . . . . Not being skilled at avoiding the wrong place at the wrong time.

Out of interest, I think we have around 100 on banning orders or in nick becasue of football related violence. . . . . .what number of these do you think have been stitched up and are actually innocent?  Serious question

Dodds can and has applied to have people banned without any criminal conviction, its guilty by association or some bollox like that, so be carefull who you stand next too next time your in the beer garden when his cameras come out! mind you, you strike me more of a flask and blanket man so no need for you to worry.

Quoted from 1054

[quote=40]Ive been pretty forthright and consistent in my condemnation of any sort of footy violence, but it really does seem that some and I repeat some of those involved are getting the shitty end of the stick. quote]

Are you suggesting that people are convicted without evidence of any wrongdoing?  I would suggest that those people get legal representation because I am not sure how a person could be convicted without evidence of a crime having taken place. I am not so naive to think there could not be false convictions but it seems like everyone on here convicted seems to think they are innocent and this I can't believe!!!

Loads of folk on here bang on at length about their exploits over the years in Yorkshire, GY, Liverpool, Chesterfield etc etc but then complain bitterly that others get convicted and then blame it all on PC Dodds.  All coppers I have ever known look to nick people for crimes, that is their job and that is probably how their performance is judged by their bosses.

I have been to footie matches over the years and have never had any convictions or arrests. . . . . I put this down to not committing any crimes. . . . . Not being skilled at avoiding the wrong place at the wrong time.

Out of interest, I think we have around 100 on banning orders or in nick becasue of football related violence. . . . . .what number of these do you think have been stitched up and are actually innocent?  Serious question

I made it clear that it was only some of those given banning orders had been possibly badly done by. There also seems to be little flexibility in the sentences. It seems you get three years for a relatively minor issue and three years for more serious ones. Justice is only justice of its fair and equitable, I'm not sure this is the case in this instance.

All this PC Dodds stuff, have you thought that it is the Magistrate that decides on guilt, and it is the Magistrate that hands out the sentence, although he gets guidance, but never the less they are playing a big part in the outcomes!

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

All this PC Dodds stuff, have you thought that it is the Magistrate that decides on guilt, and it is the Magistrate that hands out the sentence, although he gets guidance, but never the less they are playing a big part in the outcomes!

"There is a statutory obligation on every court to have regard to this guideline in a relevant case and to give reasons when imposing a sentence outside the range identified."

"This guideline is the result of an intensive and consultative process, which has at all stages beneited from the involvement of key users of the guidelines."

"Sentencing Advisory Panel and, in particular, to the members of its advisory group,  for the extensive consideration they have given, not only to detailed matters of content but also to ensuring a proper balance in the assessment of the seriousness of all the offences involved."

Quote is from Magistrates guidelines so they are given set of guidelines submitted by an advisory group, so in a nutshell 3 year automatic ban for less serious and jail for more serious.  In it there is a "Football related offences" and it does not mention being banned but fined, from

crimeline.info/app/download/.../Football+banning+orders.doc

"a banning order should only be imposed where there are strong grounds for concluding that the individual subject of the order has a propensity for taking part in football hooliganism. "


CPS Guidance to Prosecutors and Managers - Football Related Offences
There are three routes for asking the courts to impose a football banning order:
•     When the police have evidence that an individual has previously caused or been involved in violence or disorder and continues to pose a threat they can ask a magistrate’s court to impose a football banning order on the basis of an array of evidence (e.g. video recordings gathered at home or abroad, overseas convictions for violence or disorder, police intelligence reports, etc).

•     When someone has been convicted of a football related offence (that can be almost any criminal offence connected with football, committed in any location, 24 hours either side of a match), the law requires that the court imposes a banning order if it is satisfied that an order will help to prevent further football-related violence or disorder.

•     During a control period – which starts five days before an overseas match or tournament and lasts until the event has finished – the police can intercept and prevent from travelling an individual (not already subject to a banning order) when they have evidence that the person has previously been involved in violence or disorder and grounds for suspecting that the individual continues to pose a risk. Any individual so intercepted must face banning order court proceedings within 24 hours.

I think PC Dodds conviction rate needs to be assessed by someones legal department.  I'm not someone who is involved with Football violence and I don't condone it but this over zealous policing is making distrust the police.

doddsy he is a liar. tried to stitch up my mate in court. him and the goofy ginger female fio officer with glasses.
stories didn't match and the judge for once told em to stop wasting his time and threw the case out.

Quoted from TownLad87

doddsy he is a liar. tried to stitch up my mate in court. him and the goofy ginger female fio officer with glasses.
stories didn't match and the judge for once told em to stop wasting his time and threw the case out.

" like ".....

oops... best be careful... dont want Pc Ploddy Dodd on my case....  

Quoted from Marinerz93

"There is a statutory obligation on every court to have regard to this guideline in a relevant case and to give reasons when imposing a sentence outside the range identified."

"This guideline is the result of an intensive and consultative process, which has at all stages beneited from the involvement of key users of the guidelines."

"Sentencing Advisory Panel and, in particular, to the members of its advisory group,  for the extensive consideration they have given, not only to detailed matters of content but also to ensuring a proper balance in the assessment of the seriousness of all the offences involved."

Quote is from Magistrates guidelines so they are given set of guidelines submitted by an advisory group, so in a nutshell 3 year automatic ban for less serious and jail for more serious.  In it there is a "Football related offences" and it does not mention being banned but fined, from

crimeline.info/app/download/.../Football+banning+orders.doc

"a banning order should only be imposed where there are strong grounds for concluding that the individual subject of the order has a propensity for taking part in football hooliganism. "


CPS Guidance to Prosecutors and Managers - Football Related Offences
There are three routes for asking the courts to impose a football banning order:
•     When the police have evidence that an individual has previously caused or been involved in violence or disorder and continues to pose a threat they can ask a magistrate’s court to impose a football banning order on the basis of an array of evidence (e.g. video recordings gathered at home or abroad, overseas convictions for violence or disorder, police intelligence reports, etc).

•     When someone has been convicted of a football related offence (that can be almost any criminal offence connected with football, committed in any location, 24 hours either side of a match), the law requires that the court imposes a banning order if it is satisfied that an order will help to prevent further football-related violence or disorder.

•     During a control period – which starts five days before an overseas match or tournament and lasts until the event has finished – the police can intercept and prevent from travelling an individual (not already subject to a banning order) when they have evidence that the person has previously been involved in violence or disorder and grounds for suspecting that the individual continues to pose a risk. Any individual so intercepted must face banning order court proceedings within 24 hours.

I think PC Dodds conviction rate needs to be assessed by someones legal department.  I'm not someone who is involved with Football violence and I don't condone it but this over zealous policing is making distrust the police.

Another thing to consider regarding this over zealous bafoon is the negative affect it has on our club, his obsession with banning fans through whatever means he can in order to propell us up the banning league table only increases our policing bill, which I've seen quoted somewhere is on par with some of the championship clubs which is absolutly ridiculous considering the teams we play and the gates we have.

I'm sure the club would like shut of this twit even just to increase player budget instead of throwing money away just so dodds can justify his job.

I will post some details and information from Amanda of The FSF.

If people are unhappy and want advice about how the police treat them at games please private msg me and I have permision to pass on her contact number.

If you are not going to stand up for your rights or our reputation as GTFC fans, how cbn you moan!

She read the article of Joshua and was not impressed and asked why he was not arrested for violent disorder, which is a serious offence!

I am a marked man so I am happy to stand against this.

Why has the number of orders increased? Is the policing causing more problems? You can look at statistics to ask more than one question

Is the pog

Quoted from gary_elton

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oops... best be careful... dont want Pc Ploddy Dodd on my case....  

No excrement I've read his statements,  thing is they will go as far as stand on oath and lie out their back teeth and when it becomes obvious to everyone in court that they are full of excrement the case gets dropped but nothing happens them? (witnessed this myself) something needs to be done they should be charged for Perjury or something that would soon nip these lieing illegitimates in the bud.

Quoted from gary_elton

" like ".....

oops... best be careful... dont want Pc Ploddy Dodd on my case....  

No excrement I've read his statements,  thing is they will go as far as stand on oath and lie out their back teeth and when it becomes obvious to everyone in court that they are full of excrement the case gets dropped but nothing happens them? (witnessed this myself) something needs to be done they should be charged for Perjury or something that would soon nip these lieing illegitimates in the bud.

Quoted from 2578

No excrement I've read his statements,  thing is they will go as far as stand on oath and lie out their back teeth and when it becomes obvious to everyone in court that they are full of excrement the case gets dropped but nothing happens them? (witnessed this myself) something needs to be done they should be charged for Perjury or something that would soon nip these lieing illegitimates in the bud.

i watched the dvd this week its tame as ......seen alot worse in clee on a sat night .................there are defo lies taken place for sure my mate is defending himself and will be putting the questions to them tomz .....

Problem is putting your opinion on here makes you a marked man am afraid and its wrong as we SHOULD have freedom of speech


UTM

Stand corrected i seen worse outside clee leisure centre on a friday night when i pick my daughter up  

This man Doods is just trying to hang on to his easy number of a job.everyone knows real hooliganism died out years ago but still we pay for a fulltime football copper plus a few hangers on on the day of the match.its in his interset to be able to say statistcally there is still a problem at Grimsby.
Ive said all along that police lie in court ,ive been saying it for years on  here and there was a day when Dodds and the police used to get a few posters on here sticking up for them.
those days have more or less gone now and nearly everyone i know has a distrust of the police if not a total hatred

The FSF are able to offer help and advice to football fans who may have been arrested or served with civil banning order applications. Initial advice is free of charge and the solicitors the FSF use are able to apply for legal aid under the right circumstances. Despite what the police may tell you, it is possible to get legal aid for civil banning orders. Do not listen to what your mates tell you, however helpful they think they’re being – take advice from the experts and it’ll cost you nothing!

The FSF also have access to solicitors who deal with civil actions/complaints against the police and again, initial advice can be offered free of charge and in the right circumstances legal aid can be applied for.

The FSF employ Amanda Jacks who works full time and part of her role is to advise fans who have issues with policing and stewarding. However, Amanda can only help if fans contact her directly. She understands that for many reasons fans may be cautious about getting in touch, but ask yourselves, what is better... speaking to an expert who can actually help or getting nowhere fast and just moaning on forums.

If we want to do something about the policing and stop fans getting banned or ending up with criminal convictions, then lets stop moaning on forums and take action together!

Amanda can be emailed direct on Amanda.jacks@fsf.org.uk or if you want to speak to her, then message me and I’ll pass on her number.

We have a free service at our disposal, lets use it!

Nothing will happen Ian, worth a try though for those that this has affected.

Quoted from Super Clive

Nothing will happen Ian, worth a try though for those that this has affected.

If we do not stick together and prove we are not a fanbase of thugs, our reputation will get worse.

It is up to people now, i have given details.

Quoted from aaron rattray

Pc dodds is a really nice man who cares for your safety, hes a hard working honest family man, he may be over the top but thats because he cares about your safety, he is a really nice man to speak to, he joins in with a couple of chants aswell, nice bloke

you are so naive ratboy, have been through the system, these people who we pay think they are above us, i have been in a court case and seen police lie blatantly alter times lose texts and generally make fools of themselves and completely waste taxpayers money. the first thing my solicitor said was that the police are the enemy they not at all interested in justice only results, i thought this was a joke until i saw it at first hand, they are devious and have no regard for truth, not had dealings with dodds but sounds like he would make a good traffic warden

Does anyone know how many away fans have been arrested at Blundell Park under Dodds reign ?

Just a thought.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Does anyone know how many away fans have been arrested at Blundell Park under Dodds reign ?

Just a thought.

Does he have any say over opposition fans with him being GTFCs FLO? Just asking, not sure.

Quoted from LH

Does he have any say over opposition fans with him being GTFCs FLO? Just asking, not sure.

Surely, as a police officer, he has the authority to arrest anyone for committing a crime, regardless of what football team he/she supports?

Quoted from siy2k5

Surely, as a police officer, he has the authority to arrest anyone for committing a crime, regardless of what football team he/she supports?

He does but his role is evidence gathering so he'll just sit back and video what's going on.  It would be interesting to know if any of his video evidence has led to the banning / jailing of ANY opposition fans.

Quoted from gary_elton

" like ".....

oops... best be careful... dont want Pc Ploddy Dodd on my case....  

you,as a British citizen have the right to complain about the conduct of any servant of the crown,this includes police officers.
the police internal investigations dept(or gestapo as they are affectionately known) will be made aware of any officer that keeps coming up on the radar regarding complaints against that particular officer.

now,im not for one minute .suggesting to people on this forum to fabricate stories about certain indivdual police officers or in  no  way inciting people to waste police time,but you have the right to complaint,whether this does you any good is another issue.
all i will say is the more complaints about an officer are reported,the more internal affairs will flag this up........kind regards

Quoted from Marinerz93

He does but his role is evidence gathering so he'll just sit back and video what's going on.  It would be interesting to know if any of his video evidence has led to the banning / jailing of ANY opposition fans.

i can only assume the "logistics" of dealing with away fans is a big factor in them being "more hassle than thier worth" to deal with,its much easier to nick our own idiots,than to have lots of away yobbos milling around waiting for trains,causing problems after the football crowds have long gone home. this i have been told by serving police officers. l

If it isnt a personal thing how come at Burton people were filmed and shown in the papers at the front acting aggresively and gesturing yet no charges brought against them yet others seen standing around doing nothing just on the pitch got banned named and shamed everything, Last year Sheff wendy run amok down Seaview st breaking windows ect how many of them got nicked yet some young lad gets dragged through the courts & papers for just being there. Are the rest of the people he associated with going to get the same treatment we all know the regular faces that have been turning out for decades week in week out are they due for a nicking in the near future. Remember seeing people with T shirts refering to a certain PC reading all this seems they were right

Put it this way ,if there was a stranger than expected spike in arrests on a certain minority of the British public  by one poilceman,lets say for instance black people ! then im pretty sure there would be a outcry  from the Lawrence trust and the usual faces would be screaming theres heads off on Question time .nobody ever will or ever has stood up for football fans.this law they are using now is the only law were people can be punished [3 year ban] without actually committing a crime.if like the lad that was banned recently the police had any real evidence other than guilt by association he would have been charged with affray,violent disorder,assult ect
There is something wrong here ,Grimsby should no way have more people arrested than the likes of Arsenal with 20 times as many fans as us.
Maybe somebody from the Grimsby town supporters club trust ect should start writing to the Humberside chief of police and asking him why ?