1 Out 1 In.

Slightly worried by Paul Hursts comments in today's telegraph!

"We would like to bring another in and that would be it initially"

"Depending on that piece of business, it could mean that one will have to go out in order to get that one in"

Now as far as I know all of our Pro's are under contract so to get one out he would have to be paid off, which makes no sense. Which would mean another team buying one of our players, is he laying the foundations for one of our bigger names to be leaving?

Liam???

My money is on elding! Loan deal or summit.

possibly loaning out. I'd be trying to find Southwell somewhere he can get first team football regularly. It might be Elding.

I thought Elding took a pay cut to stay here because he was settled with his family. Seems harsh to ship him off elsewhere on loan when you you consider that, though obviously we have to put the club first.

I think it will be Southwell out on loan for some experiance, can't see them getting rid of elding who proved he can score goals, it would weaken our very strong strike force that we have at the minute

Probably southwell, season loan to get him more experienced, also why does people always automatically assume that hearn is going , " he isn't playing in this friendly, does that mean he could be on his way?" "His twitter says nottingham bound, is he signing for forest or county?" "Hurst has said somebody may go is it hearn?" All the time, mckeown didn't play against barton nobody said he could be going,  but the second hearn doesn't play people think hes going, relax, liam is staying

I guess they've only got a little bit of the budget left.  I haven't been to any of the pre season games but to those who have over the games theyve played in who has been dissappointing.  

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Slightly worried by Paul Hursts comments in today's telegraph!

"We would like to bring another in and that would be it initially"

"Depending on that piece of business, it could mean that one will have to go out in order to get that one in"

Now as far as I know all of our Pro's are under contract so to get one out he would have to be paid off, which makes no sense. Which would mean another team buying one of our players, is he laying the foundations for one of our bigger names to be leaving?

Liam???

where does it say one in one out? I haven't seen anything like that in the telegraph no offence, I don't think there's any plans for anyone else to go as far as I know. Just bringing one more player at least, though originally they wanted a squad of 22, but only have, is it 18-19? so far.

It does say 1 in and maybe 1 out depending on how much they want as in wages etc I had to refresh the telewag online it's the article with Luke Daleys portrait

I agree entirely with Aaron.

reading the article again (it's not particularly clear), it could mean later in the season if they wanted to bring someone in on loan they would need to send someone out. The article doesn't make it very clear whether they mean the next signing will mean sending someone out on loan or later in the season.

Quoted from Meza

It does say 1 in and maybe 1 out depending on how much they want as in wages etc I had to refresh the telewag online it's the article with Luke Daleys portrait

ah ok, don't go telegraph online, hope no one else does goes, I think we have a good squad, not too sure on Daley though we haven't signed him yet, but then in his defence he's only had one game so maybe chances are needed before judging. do think we could do with another defender though.

hearns Twitter has said Notts bound since he signed that where he was born and still has a house their.

Quoted from Gary Haddock

where does it say one in one out? I haven't seen anything like that in the telegraph no offence, I don't think there's any plans for anyone else to go as far as I know. Just bringing one more player at least, though originally they wanted a squad of 22, but only have, is it 18-19? so far.

Erm the bit that says...... "Depending on that piece of business, it could mean that one will have to go out in order to get that one in"

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

reading the article again (it's not particularly clear), it could mean later in the season if they wanted to bring someone in on loan they would need to send someone out. The article doesn't make it very clear whether they mean the next signing will mean sending someone out on loan or later in the season.

ah ok fair enough, I've heard rumours of a loan deal but can't remember where from or who, think it was on here once. Think it maybe from Hull.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Erm the bit that says...... "Depending on that piece of business, it could mean that one will have to go out in order to get that one in"

yeh calm down one guy's already explained lol.

Quoted from Gary Haddock

yeh calm down one guy's already explained lol.

You know where I am if any further assistance is required lol

Quoted from wigworld

I thought Elding took a pay cut to stay here because he was settled with his family. Seems harsh to ship him off elsewhere on loan when you you consider that, though obviously we have to put the club first.

it is though I like to think the managers here dont go back on their word.If they give assurances to a player they should stick by it and vice versa

Hearn out, mark my words

Quoted from gtfc98

Hearn out, mark my words

did you say that out of..... blind panic/feeling in your water/ educated guess/ rumour from a mate's mate's cousin/ inside info???

Quoted from forza ivano

did you say that out of..... blind panic/feeling in your water/ educated guess/ rumour from a mate's mate's cousin/ inside info???

Outright pessismism  

Quoted from forza ivano

did you say that out of..... blind panic/feeling in your water/ educated guess/ rumour from a mate's mate's cousin/ inside info???

Info. Highly unlikely he'll be here by end of august

Quoted from gtfc98

Info. Highly unlikely he'll be here by end of august

Not hard to take a stab that he might not be here, I have Info that Van Persie will have a highly unlikely chance of staying at Arsenal

Bit of a stab in the dark but Hull are looking to loan out centre back Sonny Bradley, might be out of our league though. I heard yesterday that Hearn might need an opperation on his troublesome injury. Could be bull shite though as I didnt really know the bloke I was talking to. anyone else heard this?

Maybe Hearn is more injured than we realize? (hence us bringing in a number of forward options)  He never looked quite as good towards the end of last season when he seemed to be struggling with "niggles" to some degree

Quoted from jimgtfc

Bit of a stab in the dark but Hull are looking to loan out centre back Sonny Bradley, might be out of our league though.

Hull may accept a bid from us if we can offer him regular football and there is little interest from other clubs higher up the leagues.As with any loan signing coming in it must be hard on the existing players as their position is under threat

Assuming, for what ever reason, that Hearn isn't available for the first few games of the season, do Elding, Cook, Soares, Pearson and Southwell have the goals in them to fill the gap? Hopefully with Niven, Thomas and Hatton we'll concede less.

Another stab in the dark (i'm bored), Daniel Emerton at Hull on a loan, can play either wing so would come under the 'versatile winger' tag Hurst mentioned.

Quoted from Super Clive

hearns Twitter has said Notts bound since he signed that where he was born and still has a house their.

Lets not start this again.

There are certain parts of the article that are ambiguous and open to interpretation. The article states " He ( Paul Hurst ) also intimated that it could be a case of " one out , one in " at Blundell park , should a potential addition be identified ". Then further on in the article it states " We would still like to bring another in and that would be it initially. Of course there's still the loan market that you can look at further down the line. Depending on that piece of business , it could mean that one will have to go out in order to get that one in . But we are looking at starting the season with what's in the building at the minute and maybe one more"
Now my interpretation of this is that only if they have to go into the loan market for another further player after the first initial player would they be looking at moving somebody out. Paul Hurst does specifivally say that they are looking at starting the season with the current squad plus maybe one more.

Quoted from gtfc98

Info. Highly unlikely he'll be here by end of august

Must be true..

FFS.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Must be true..

FFS.

What's ur problem? Do you want to sort this out the proper way rather than hiding behind your keyboard? I've been a decent poster on here for years, I don't post without substance.

Quoted from gtfc98

What's ur problem? Do you want to sort this out the proper way rather than hiding behind your keyboard? I've been a decent poster on here for years, I don't post without substance.

I just had a little laugh...

Anytime.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

I just had a little laugh...

Anytime.

At what?

Quoted from gtfc98

At what?

Really?

At you.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

You know where I am if any further assistance is required lol

thank you, I'll keep this in mind lol.

I think if anyone goes it will be Southwell. Loan him to a BS South/North team. Get him the first team experiance he needs, looks to have bags of potential but the odd 10-20 mins he will probably get here isnt enough, he needs to be playing regularly, so maybe loaning him out and then bringing in another versitile player, that can play both wings and upfront?

Quoted from jonnyboy82

At you.

Bless you, high pollen count today.  

Quoted from STB

Bless you, high pollen count today.  

Thought you could do better.

Quoted from TheCurlyMariner12

[b]I think if anyone goes it will be Southwell. Loan him to a BS South/North team. Get him the first team experiance he needs, looks to have bags of potential but the odd 10-20 mins he will probably get here isnt enough, he needs to be playing regularly,[b] so maybe loaning him out and then bringing in another versitile player, that can play both wings and upfront?

makes sense, but I think it will be another winger, midfielder or defeneder that they might bring in, we have enough options up front.

But I can't imagine Southwell costs us much, in terms of wages - not enough to free up
enough money for a decent winger, anyway.

Surely we still lack a "box to box" midfielder?, though I'm resigned to not getting one now.  This isn't pessimism, just my opinion as they are very hard to find at our level

Quoted from lee65

Surely we still lack a "box to box" midfielder?, though I'm resigned to not getting one now.  This isn't pessimism, just my opinion as they are very hard to find at our level

We really have been missing one id agree

you shouldn't have to apologise for giving your opinion   "this isn't passimism"   its your opinion and you should not have to worry that you will get shot down for having independant thought.

Quoted from realityman

you shouldn't have to apologise for giving your opinion   "this isn't passimism"   its your opinion and you should not have to worry that you will get shot down for having independant thought.

Like you shoot posters down for having independant views to yours !

Quoted from wigworld

But I can't imagine Southwell costs us much, in terms of wages - not enough to free up
enough money for a decent winger, anyway.

good point never really thought that. maybe Wood then?

Quoted from Gary Haddock

good point never really thought that. maybe Wood then?

Would doubt that as he may be in the starting 11 and also can fill in different positions and would not want to be away from his family......

Quoted from Billybigbollox

Would doubt that as he may be in the starting 11 and also can fill in different positions and would not want to be away from his family......

wouldn't be my choise to put out on loan either. it's a tough one, who would they put out on loan?

Quoted from Gary Haddock

wouldn't be my choise to put out on loan either. it's a tough one, who would they put out on loan?

Southwell I should think. Loan him out to a club and see what he can do and if he does prove to be a quality player which I think he will turn out to be then we can recall him.

Quoted from gtfc98

What's ur problem? Do you want to sort this out the proper way rather than hiding behind your keyboard? I've been a decent poster on here for years, I don't post without substance.

Rock, Paper Scissors?

Why does everyone want Southwell out on loan? By all accounts he's had a good preseason and could be our unknown joker super sub a la Duffy last season. He can also play wide in a front three as well as an out and out striker.

Plus, he's local, it's always nice to see local lads come through

Why would we loan wood out? He's our only cover for both full backs, I'd imagine we'll bring in another utility player like brad for left side

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Why does everyone want Southwell out on loan? By all accounts he's had a good preseason and could be our unknown joker super sub a la Duffy last season. He can also play wide in a front three as well as an out and out striker.

Agree with all this but he is a young lad and if he goes out on loan to another club he will get more experience for the long term. If he does do well at another club then we can recall him and give him a chance here. I personally think he will not get the chance to play alot here with Hearn, Cook, Elding and Pearson so loaning him out will do him alot of good.

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Really?

At you.

Get a job you low life piece of excrement.

Quoted from Super Clive

Why would we loan wood out? He's our only cover for both full backs, I'd imagine we'll bring in another utility player like brad for left side

he's not going anywhere anyway!

If its Hearn, surely we would be able to bring 2 or 3 in with the £250,000.

Quoted from gtfc98

Get a job you low life piece of excrement.

Surely even you can do better than that twit breath?

Quoted from gtfc98

Get a job you low life piece of excrement.

Grow up, if you're gonna argue like kids, do it by PM!

Anyway, I'd imagine it is probably Elding who could be heading out but as long as we sign a decent winger, I won't mind too much

Quoted from Fishfinger

Grow up, if you're gonna argue like kids, do it by PM!

Anyway, I'd imagine it is probably Elding who could be heading out but as long as we sign a decent winger, I won't mind too much

Correct..

He always lowers himself to personal insults..

I admit i bite to easy though.

If anyone is likely to be loaned out short term, to free up some wages it may be Artus. Central midfield is crowded with Niven, Disley and Thanoj seeming to be S&H's favourties while Soares has the left wing spot.

But Southwell may also be sent to Boston or Gansborough for a month or two.

rounding it down its not going to be a gk or defender so i think its either artus,elding or southwell.i'd be suprised if its southwell though hes a goalscorer this lad he's in for 15+ goals this season if given a chance

If they are talking letting one out to bring someone in then surely one of the higher wage earners would go as southwell thanoj would not be on a great deal anyway so no real benefit of letting them go out unless it is for 1st team footbal..

My guess would be elding as we are ok up top with hearn cook pearson and southwell..

That would release the money needed for a quality winger we need.

Surely Luton need another striker . Don't think they've signed one for a couple of days .

I'm pretty sure if it was elding he wouldnt walk away for nothing as he only has this year left on his contract. So sure he would want paying off so we ain't really gonna save a lot of money. And would he would want to drop a  league to play. doubt it very much. After all the player as the final say if he stays or goes..

Quoted from lorenxox

he's not going anywhere anyway!

agree cant see the managers letting Wood go on loan

Quoted from Rick12

agree cant see the managers letting Wood go on loan

think I'd be the first to know haha! I'm thinking Southwell maybe..

Can everyone please read Rancido's post on page two. He seems to be the only one with any sense to read the full article rather than take a small quote and go with it.

Surely Hurst clearly says they are looking to start with what they've now got, or with one more. Then further to that it would probably have to be one out before any further additions.

Tut tut tommy, common sense? How dare you  

Its fairly clear though the quality of signings this year has banged a big dent in the playing budget and we've still only got 18/19 squad members. When S&H mentioned 20/21. There is always the loan market but it looks very like we're going for quality and not quantity.

That is true kevikov. From what I've seen so far I would be very comfortable with any of the squad in the starting XI. They're all capable, and changes to the team shouldn't weaken us too much if at all. Whereas last year this definitely wasn't the case.

Quoted from Tommy

That is true kevikov. From what I've seen so far I would be very comfortable with any of the squad in the starting XI. They're all capable, and changes to the team shouldn't weaken us too much if at all. Whereas last year this definitely wasn't the case.

out of interest Tommy whats your prediction for where we finish this season

Classic fishy thread - childish threats and squabbling, people reacting in extreme ways, folk putting two and two together and making five, taking quotes out of context, laughable misunderstanding and sprinkled with the good old 'take it from me - I have the inside track' (totally unsubstantiated of course). Jeez. Can't we just be calm, balanced and have a bit of patience. All in good time.

Quoted from Rick12

out of interest Tommy whats your prediction for where we finish this season

I reckon 5th or 6th. Hopefully its the right side of that play-offs line.

We could even better that if we get a decent start though, as I'd expect us to get stronger as the season goes on.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

If anyone is likely to be loaned out short term, to free up some wages it may be Artus. Central midfield is crowded with Niven, Disley and Thanoj seeming to be S&H's favourties while Soares has the left wing spot.

But Southwell may also be sent to Boston or Gansborough for a month or two.

I wouldnt say 3 CM is crowded? If S&H still decide to go with 4-3-3 or use it as a back up, they'll need at least 4 CM, i dont see Artus going anywhere personally.

Quoted from Tommy

Can everyone please read Rancido's post on page two. He seems to be the only one with any sense to read the full article rather than take a small quote and go with it.

Surely Hurst clearly says they are looking to start with what they've now got, or with one more. Then further to that it would probably have to be one out before any further additions.

Thanx Tommy - its not rocket science though is it, to read the full article like you have.
As for the speculation about who would go out on loan, if it comes to it  then my thoughts are as follows.If The Dynamic Duo had any doubts about Artus then they wouldn't have offered him a new deal this summer , the same applies to Southwell. I would imagine the playing budget would allow for one more senior player bringing the squad up to 20. If , as the season progresses and somebody looks like they could be a weak link , then obviously somebody will be brought in on loan and the weak link offered out on loan somewhere else. Sometimes a spell out on loan can focus that players mind and make him more determined to meet the challenge when his loan spell ends.

Am I the only one who wants to see fringe players STAY at BP instead of being loaned out ?

When I heard of the reserves coming back, wondered whether we'd use part of the budget to bring in cheaper younger players for the future. (wish list)
Now it strikes me anyone who has signed is potentially gonna fit straight in to the side. (makes sense !  )
So ideally we need 2 full sides playing regularly, keeping match-fit, creating competition, pushing for those places.

But....
IF the plan is now to largely fill the reserves up with youth team players and ship potential 1st teamers (who aren't playing 1st XI) OUT, then why on earth did we bother bringing the reserves back in the first place ?!  
I just don't get it...  
Is it cos we could still be stuck with other players we CAN'T loan out cos they're not match fit ?
Who knows but thought the whole point was to get players fit and up to speed HERE (in the reserves) for them to be knocking on the 1st team door ?
Unless the likes of Boston or Gainsborough can offer better training facilities/coaching etc then what IS the point ?...

I really commend the club for bringing the reserves back but having come this far, hope we treat it seriously to promote competition and improve players - not just for fitness reasons or to say "Oh look we've done it".
If you're trying to build something of value, you need to commit ENOUGH time, effort (and money !) to deliver the benefits.
Personally I would raise the bar further and also provide enough money for a reserve team coach/manager (or Dave Moore !  )

Sure it all costs money but there's little point investing time and money into a plan only to miss out the final vital pieces of the jigsaw or decide to do something completely different at the last minute.
If you're gonna loan the majority of fringe players away from the club (recent history says it's happened before!) you might as well have saved ALL the money spent on the reserves, just signed fewer players and taken more on loan yourself.  
What we've got now is 18 players that will probably be 16 if a couple (on average) are injured - Is 5 (16-11) really enough for a competitive 2nd string ?
Or is the danger we end up with an unproductive mish-mash of youth/pros where we gain little ? You tell me !

And is there really much point in taking these decisions for the cost of "1 out" ?  
That's if we can. For all we know come January there might be another Liam Hearn who S&H really want that can't come cos no-one here will leave.
Is anyone really gonna pay e.g an out-of favour Eldings wages ? I doubt a promising (but young) player like Southwell will raise a fortune on loan.
And why would we want any player to leave BP right now anyway ? (see reserve benefits)

Don't get me wrong, certainly not saying "S&H will be successful so that's why we should back them with oodles more cash".
But if we're in for a pound, please let's be in for another few pence and at least give them every chance of getting OUR new strategy right?
IMO what we don't need is complex cutoff rules or bizarre looking "spend to then save" tactics that hinder us reaching our potential.

Please let's continue acting professionally (like we believe in what we're trying to do) and be in no doubt the managers have all the necessary tools at their disposal. Who knows whether going an extra 10% could make all the difference ?

Obviously they may fall short anyway but at least we'll be in a much better position to know for sure.
End of the day there'll be little consolation in "just missing out" if the difference between success and failure boils down to having a reserve side ultimately unfit for purpose or not being prepared to pay 1 players wages.
We've come this far - maybe I'm missing something but just feels like we're creeping close to taking larger risks (by not being willing to complete the whole jigsaw) for much smaller gains. Hope I'm wrong but I fear I'm not.

PS if you don't like honest opinions intended to help the club avoid potential mistakes then tough.  
PPS If you don't like reading long posts then no-ones forcing you to read it are they ?

That's a very long, albeit well constructed argument based on a comment that may have been throwaway, impulsive or in fact used only with the intention of manipulating the players in the squad to keep up their standards for fear of drifting out of the managers' plans. People have really put two and two together on this topic. In all likelihood, nobody will be loaned out because the squad isn't big enough to allow it, and there are no players who would ostensibly sit outside the plans for the team. There are also no players here that the managers don't want (like Makofo or Garner or Leary etc). All of that has been done.

I think lots of people have read too much into Hurst's comments. Immediately people start writing about Elding, the probablity of him being loaned out, and then there are the long threads based upon whether the experts at the Fishy think he's good enough to start or not, to say nothing of the dark sub-plot and hidden agenda to sell Hearn the many alarmists would have you believe. All will be revealed in good time. I really don't see any of our players being loaned or sold between now and the start of the season. Hurst's comment that we'll be 'starting the season with what we've got' is one which, in my view, can be taken more literally.

Good post and I generally accept all you say.

tbh not so concerned about players leaving, more about whether enough pros will be playing in the reserves to make it's resurrection worthwhile.

Perhaps I'm jumping the gun but like you say it seems pretty clear we'll generally be "starting the season with what we've got".
So for example, could we be looking at using the reserves to test out trialists in the future ?

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be overly critical of the great work being done at the club.
In fact it's very reassuring to know those that have come in are willing and ready to put on the shirt straight away.
But without buying players just for the sake of it, thought we might have gone for 1 or 2 younger players for the future to help make up the reserve numbers.

To be frank my wild guess was part of the reasoning for a reserve side might also have been to use it as a bedding ground for younger players to play a season (should the club ever feel the need to embark on a cloth cutting exercise.)
Now perhaps it's unwise to prepare the bed for the possibility of a new manager wanting to clear the decks all over again.
But god forbid should the worst happen I presume there may be some need for younger cheaper players brought into the mix at some point anyway - so think it might at least be worth considering as a transitional stepping stone.

At the end of the day whether the season results in success or not, just think whatever happens, it's something else for the future.
Fingers crossed the players we've got will make us proud but no harm in having an backup idea in reserve (pardon the pun !  )
That said, I do accept the argument that any club has it's own funding priorities and money doesn't always grow on trees.