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I think the better intent is about not looking to replace your better players directly, but upgrading the overall quality so the better players of today become the back-up of tomorrow. Then the next stage is those 'new' better players are downgraded at the next stage of the process.
We've seen a little bit of it in action since 1878 came to take over the club but largely it's a foreign concept to this club for so long because the turnover in players is so high.
It's not amazing example but someone like Niall Maher is probably as good as we've had of this approach in last few years. He came in and early on was identified as a key player. He did ok, then Doug Tharme came in and took his place. Maher dropped down the pecking order and became back-up and in turn took Luke Waterfall's place as back-up, Waterfall in turn moved on.
Maher has since moved on because we've managed to bring McJannet in, again intent of an upgrade overall rather than looking to replace your best players directly.
Conteh and JDS were certainly signed with the intent of selling them on for a decent bit of profit (immediate or future), but I don't think the approach is that we're constrained to using any profit to replace that position. Conteh left and we signed a freebie in Thompson. But since then we've paid transfer fees (partly funded by the Conteh sale) for Tharme, JDS and McJannet - none play in Conteh's position.
The question as to could we replace the likes of Rose, Hume, Green with better? I'll add to that and say that the absolute ambition has to be to looking to better on everyone. It doesn't matter if we've got a striker who gets 20 goals and 20 assists, we should be looking to bring in someone who can get 25 and 25.
That model isn't exclusive to us and it's quite literally one of the bragging points of our Lincoln threads on this very forum, how they've managed to continually sell their better players, yet manage to continually bring in better players for less.
Throughout our whole team there's a thread of them improving. There's a few with points to prove having had a stab at a higher level and not quite managed it (Wright, McEachran, Hume, Cass), there's those probably looking to us as a springboard from a lower standard (McJannet, JDS) and then there's those who already had and we're improving them (Khouri, Green).
Last night there was only a single player in the matchday squad over the age of 27. That's Danny Rose (30). He's the second oldest player in the squad behind Curtis Thompson (31). Until I looked at those ages I didn't realise quite how much we had lowered the age of the squad under Artell. There's a lot to go at there.
I switched the ticks, crosses and gold stars thing off years ago but this is a really good synopsis of how we’re progressing 👍
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jonny wasn't the only one who stated Khouri wasn't up to it, far from it in fact.
Yep happy to admit I fell into this bracket and said I didn't get the hype multiple times over recent seasons. Thankfully, I believe I generally caveated that by saying I hope I'm wrong. Delighted that he's come on leaps and bounds this season, arguably player of the season so far for me.
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I switched the ticks, crosses and gold stars thing off years ago but this is a really good synopsis of how we’re progressing 👍
Thank you, but I can absolutely guarantee that I'll have heard someone talking about it/read about it (probably from someone like Jason Stockwood) and had the benefit of having the names of players to add real context onto it.
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I think the better intent is about not looking to replace your better players directly, but upgrading the overall quality so the better players of today become the back-up of tomorrow. Then the next stage is those 'new' better players are downgraded at the next stage of the process.
We've seen a little bit of it in action since 1878 came to take over the club but largely it's a foreign concept to this club for so long because the turnover in players is so high.
It's not amazing example but someone like Niall Maher is probably as good as we've had of this approach in last few years. He came in and early on was identified as a key player. He did ok, then Doug Tharme came in and took his place. Maher dropped down the pecking order and became back-up and in turn took Luke Waterfall's place as back-up, Waterfall in turn moved on.
Maher has since moved on because we've managed to bring McJannet in, again intent of an upgrade overall rather than looking to replace your best players directly.
Conteh and JDS were certainly signed with the intent of selling them on for a decent bit of profit (immediate or future), but I don't think the approach is that we're constrained to using any profit to replace that position. Conteh left and we signed a freebie in Thompson. But since then we've paid transfer fees (partly funded by the Conteh sale) for Tharme, JDS and McJannet - none play in Conteh's position.
The question as to could we replace the likes of Rose, Hume, Green with better? I'll add to that and say that the absolute ambition has to be to looking to better on everyone. It doesn't matter if we've got a striker who gets 20 goals and 20 assists, we should be looking to bring in someone who can get 25 and 25.
That model isn't exclusive to us and it's quite literally one of the bragging points of our Lincoln threads on this very forum, how they've managed to continually sell their better players, yet manage to continually bring in better players for less.
Throughout our whole team there's a thread of them improving. There's a few with points to prove having had a stab at a higher level and not quite managed it (Wright, McEachran, Hume, Cass), there's those probably looking to us as a springboard from a lower standard (McJannet, JDS) and then there's those who already had and we're improving them (Khouri, Green).
Last night there was only a single player in the matchday squad over the age of 27. That's Danny Rose (30). He's the second oldest player in the squad behind Curtis Thompson (31). Until I looked at those ages I didn't realise quite how much we had lowered the age of the squad under Artell. There's a lot to go at there.
can only echo what Herts says, an excellent synopsis. to elaborate on your point JS said that all clubs have access to data, but nobody in the bottom 2 divisions really utilises it. I think I am right in saying that 21st group only has 1 client in the divs 1 & 2 (us). There was another ,but they got promoted to the championship (plymouth)....... to add further - name the artell/1878/hutchinson signings, and then name the failures
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We are always very aligned on many subjects Diehard and this is another you only echo my thoughts, just to further add the recruitment is made easier when you have a manager that loves to coach and has a very good body of work of progressing players in there careers. He has a plethora of players from his Crewe side playing levels above and the improvement we’ve seen in certain players over a short period of time here only works in our favour. Opposition managers have made multiple complimentary comments on us already this season about the way we play football, and players will be saying the same.
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Dont want to be negative, but when we talk of gradual improvement i am already thinking g.k. and right back are the 2 obvious areas. Warren ,so far, looks flawed n cass is severely lacking in pace
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Fair shout, although I think it's far too early to say on Wright. It was mentioned before about Danny Coyne as one who struggled in his first few months and then really settled in (seem to recall it was when he started doing some training with local boxer Stuart Fleet and his reflexes went to the next level).
Warren/Cass. Suppose it depends on who we're comparing to. I liked Efete but he seemed to have run his course with us and whilst still too early to make a fair judgement, I would take Efete over Warren at this moment in time. Cass probably more of a replacement for Mullarkey as someone who's capable of playing right of a 3 and as more of a traditional full-back than a marauding one. Once more, I liked Mullarkey but only as a right sided centre-back, couldn't defend against a winger if his life depended on it.
I think the benefit that Cass brings is that whilst he won't go forward as much as someone like Hume, he does have that ability to shift across to form a back 3 when Hume (or I suppose Carson) press forward a bit more. It definitely feels that a lot of our wide attacks are focused down the left rather than right, with JDS from that flank often drifting more inside. Mirror image of a few years ago when it was Efete who was the full-back who drove forward form the right and the vastly underrated Adam Crookes providing that shift across to form a back three.
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Dont want to be negative, but when we talk of gradual improvement i am already thinking g.k. and right back are the 2 obvious areas. Warren ,so far, looks flawed n cass is severely lacking in pace
Bit early to judge either I reckon. I’ve seen both doing some good stuff when they’ve played.
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I don't think Warren is as solid in his defensive positioning as Cass, but he is a hell of a lot quicker and is still pretty decent in the air. I don't think there is a great deal to choose between the two. Warren possibly the better option if the opposition have got a really quick left-winger.
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Khouri: a snapshot of his performance at Southampton (on as sub) caught the eye. His determined tackle on the halfway line showed confidence, good timing and was effective.
The game and occasion did not faze him. Just a small, illustrative example of what he could do.
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