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Quoted from GollyGTFC

We’re not judging Artell after 6 matches. He’s had 33 league matches so far..

Win 9 (27.3%)
Draw 9
Lost 15 (45.5%)
GD -16
Pts 36 (1.09 PPG = 50 over a 46 match season)

In comparison PH’s final 33 league matches as Town manager saw us…

Win 9 (27.3%)
Draw 11
Lost 13 (39.4%)
GD -9
Pts 38 (1.15 PPG = 53 over a 46 match season)

Artell was brought in to improve us after the previous manager was deemed to have failed. He has taken us backwards.

Artell needs a win today because it’s hard to see us take anything from the following 3 matches given our abject away form (lost 6 out of last 7 away in L2) and that we have Doncaster at BP between those games.

If we lose today it’s quite possible we’ll still be on 6 points after 10 matches. Is it okay to panic at that point? The two times we have been relegated we were on 10 & 12 points after 10 matches.

We might well suddenly start scoring goals and learn the basics of defending, but I think a decision on DA is approaching. 1878 binned off PH in October after all.

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you....
Judging Artells stats from last season are extensively flawed, he had a squad of shite to try and get a tune of, and somehow managed to stave off relegation.
Now, we are 6 games in with 75% of the squad being his players, he's been charged with changing everyone's perception of Grimsby Town FC, our playing style abd our fortunes, so personally I'll judge his stats after 20 games of this season, that gives time for the players to gel, and really grasp how Artell wants to play.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you....
Judging Artells stats from last season are extensively flawed, he had a squad of shite to try and get a tune of, and somehow managed to stave off relegation.
Now, we are 6 games in with 75% of the squad being his players, he's been charged with changing everyone's perception of Grimsby Town FC, our playing style abd our fortunes, so personally I'll judge his stats after 20 games of this season, that gives time for the players to gel, and really grasp how Artell wants to play.

So you're saying the jury's still out? That's pretty much what everyone else has said apart from....

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you....
Judging Artells stats from last season are extensively flawed, he had a squad of shite to try and get a tune of, and somehow managed to stave off relegation.
Now, we are 6 games in with 75% of the squad being his players, he's been charged with changing everyone's perception of Grimsby Town FC, our playing style abd our fortunes, so personally I'll judge his stats after 20 games of this season, that gives time for the players to gel, and really grasp how Artell wants to play.

That's not how Artell tells it though, even in his very latest video he was saying no way would we get relegated last year, he only had to look around the club to tell that. And no I do not think he's being diplomatic as he has doubled down multiple times on the 'told you so' respone to saying it.

Its either he did miraculously to turn around a dead duck or made it squeaky bum time with a sure thing. Can't be both at the same time.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with you....
Judging Artells stats from last season are extensively flawed, he had a squad of shite to try and get a tune of, and somehow managed to stave off relegation.
Now, we are 6 games in with 75% of the squad being his players, he's been charged with changing everyone's perception of Grimsby Town FC, our playing style abd our fortunes, so personally I'll judge his stats after 20 games of this season, that gives time for the players to gel, and really grasp how Artell wants to play.

Sorry, but overall this squad isn’t better than the one he inherited.

And last season he kept us up by playing shite football. He won’t get away with that again.

Take a look at the results we’ve had playing the style of football he was brought in the implement.

After the Doncaster debacle we finished the season with 5 wins, 5 draws and 5 defeats. Take that 15 match spell of “pragmatic” football out of his record and it leaves…

4 wins
4 draws
10 defeats

…playing the style of football he was brought in to play.

If anyone thinks 1878 are going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt after being ruthless with someone who won promotion, delivered a best league finish in 17 years after having 55 days between the promotion season finishing and the next starting and delivered an incredible FA Cup run then they are deluded.

DA needs to start delivering quickly or he’ll be down the road too.

I’m inclined to agree with Golly tbh, apart from the last part. I’m not sure the owners will want to be associated with a hiring and firing reputation. They’ve openly said it’ll take time, process, journey (blah blah) - so I think they’ll support Artell. That said.. if it gets to a position where they are ‘forced’ to act.. ie bottom 2 or 3 by end of Nov..

Jury is out on Artell.. has to get a few results together soon for me. Whilst appreciating the task and what his intentions are, together with appreciating that in some ways things are improving - there are also the same old flaws also. You can’t get anywhere if you don’t stop conceding goals at an alarming rate, and you’d be silly to not think that perhaps we might be a little open, easy to get at.. and that will need to change.

Think most want Artell to do well.. and hope he does .. but it’s be folly to not understand/be open to the critiques that some have.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Sorry, but overall this squad isn’t better than the one he inherited.

Really? How many players did we have last season who could actually pass the ball accurately and retain possession in a tight spot? Conteh is about the only one I can think of and he was outta here at the first opportunity.

Our retention of possession was unutterably awful, to the degree that I can't remember us ever being as bad - we were barely able to string more than 3 passes together without coughing it up for half of the season. It's a good job that Thompson proved a capable enough replacement for Conteh because we'd have been screwed without him. Lots of graft from the likes of Holohan, Green, Andrews and Clifton, but not a single ball player among them. Hunt is just not up to league football from what I've seen so it wasn't any surprise to see him fail to win a place.

We had one or two technically decent players - Gnahoua, Eisa (when bothered) and Vernam (when fit), for example, but if they passed the ball to someone else in the midfield, we tended to lose it immediately.

Of the loan signings, Thompson and Obikwu did well, as did Smith. Didn't rate Hume (and he's only played well in a few games this season), but he wasn't any worse than Glennon and Amos wasn't great even at best (though he might have done a better job than the other two). McJannet is miles better than Maher who was really poor last season, Mullarkey did OK in a back three but poor at full-back. Amazed to see him doing well at Crawley, but perhaps that's down to having better players around him this year.

Ultimately, the current midfield is a bit less physical but are head and shoulders above last year's bunch as far as technical ability goes.

I'm disappointed we still don't have any real pace, Vernam and Warren aside and we're a little short compared to many teams in this division, but I'd rather watch us play with this style and end up in mid-table (as looks to be the likely outcome to me) than play the hit and hope football we've seen in recent years.

I was really disappointed with the way things went for Hurst but it was down to his signings who just weren't very good. The jury is out on the current team, but there has been enough good football to make me think we can do better than we have so far. We just need a bit more precision with the final ball because we've been getting in behind teams over and over again this season yet not scoring the goals our attacking play deserves.

You are more than entitled to disagree, but I'm just going from the evidence of what I've seen with my own eyes. It's unusual this season because the TV coverage means I've already seen about as many away games as I managed the past couple of seasons, but I've liked what I've seen, in general.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We’re not judging Artell after 6 matches. He’s had 33 league matches so far..

Win 9 (27.3%)
Draw 9
Lost 15 (45.5%)
GD -16
Pts 36 (1.09 PPG = 50 over a 46 match season)

In comparison PH’s final 33 league matches as Town manager saw us…

Win 9 (27.3%)
Draw 11
Lost 13 (39.4%)
GD -9
Pts 38 (1.15 PPG = 53 over a 46 match season)

Artell was brought in to improve us after the previous manager was deemed to have failed. He has taken us backwards.

Artell needs a win today because it’s hard to see us take anything from the following 3 matches given our abject away form (lost 6 out of last 7 away in L2) and that we have Doncaster at BP between those games.

If we lose today it’s quite possible we’ll still be on 6 points after 10 matches. Is it okay to panic at that point? The two times we have been relegated we were on 10 & 12 points after 10 matches.

We might well suddenly start scoring goals and learn the basics of defending, but I think a decision on DA is approaching. 1878 binned off PH in October after all.

This is a totally flawed comparison. PH's last 33 league games were with his squad who he acquired, selected and were coached to play his style of football. DA acquired that squad and had very little time to fully assess their quality and what they were capable of. Much has been made of his trying to play a style of football that was beyond their abilities but it takes time to realise their strengths and weaknesses - hence the poor initial performances. After " The Meeting" a more pragmatic approach was taken and although well didn't tear up any trees we avoided relegation. For what it's worth I think PH would have seen us relegated but that is just my opinion. DA's January recruitment saw us address some of the problems and the summer recruitment has produced what is basically " his squad". The only fair comparison to be made between PH and DA would be to compare PH's last 33 league games with DA's 33 league games commencing our first league game this season. At least then you are comparing a PH chosen squad with a DA chosen squad

Personally I’m happy to be top half after 7 games
I’m happy that we have 3 or four key players on the road to being fit
I’m concerned about next three games but if we get 3 points from them I’ll be happy.

What did or did not happen under PH is currently irrelevant

Not learned much new today . Had the rub of the green today with penalty and their chance hitting the bar . They look like a bottom half side. Take the three points and our home form is reasonable . Need to get some away points to consolidate .

If we continue to win 75% of our league games at home this season, I'm very happy to accept such 'reasonable' form. In fact, it would be better than Stockport's home form last season and that was certainly pretty reasonable as well.