Rotherham match thread

Quoted from Ruuger

I know that is what the law says, and I understand that but to me it's a strange one.  If it's a foul in the penalty area, then it is also a foul outside the penalty area, so in my humble opinion the first foul should be given.  Lets just say that Cass, I think it was him, started pulling the player back 10 yards outside the penalty area, does the ref blow for a foul then or does he let play go on with Cass still hanging onto the guys shoulder?  This then brings up the question, how far outside the box do you blow for a foul, and how close to the box do you let play go on?

Interested to see if anyone has a comment to make.

It's the last point the ref believes the foul is made, just like he lets advantage run until he deems there's no longer an advantage. So say he's pulling on the shoulder 10 yards outside the box until they're 2 yards out the box and then lets go and the player then enters the box and falls over it wouldn't be a penalty but the play would be brought back for a foul 2 yards outside the box because there's no advantage gained.

Quoted from Ruuger

I know that is what the law says, and I understand that but to me it's a strange one.  If it's a foul in the penalty area, then it is also a foul outside the penalty area, so in my humble opinion the first foul should be given.  Lets just say that Cass, I think it was him, started pulling the player back 10 yards outside the penalty area, does the ref blow for a foul then or does he let play go on with Cass still hanging onto the guys shoulder?  This then brings up the question, how far outside the box do you blow for a foul, and how close to the box do you let play go on?

Interested to see if anyone has a comment to make.

If the player is able to maintain control of the ball over 10 yards, then more fool the fouling player holding on that long and into the box. If it happened just off centre and started 25 yards, but the fouling player hauled the player down just short of the box, I would argue that it would get pulled back as a free kick 25 yards out is more dangerous than one right on the edge.

Enough!  I'm off to stick my head in the oven - Senior Management however has just advised me that apparently it's electric - what next?

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

Enough!  I'm off to stick my head in the oven - Senior Management however has just advised me that apparently it's electric - what next?

Must have come as a bit of a shock.

Quoted from Ruuger

So when is it a foul, when hands are first laid on him by a defender to stop him, or when and where he decides to fall down?

FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender  whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.

Quoted from arryarryarry

FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender  whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.

Why are you so angry, it's just a hypothetical discussion?  

As for the incident, he may have been pulled down, but also he may have decided to fall down in the area to win a pen, that happens all to often these days, right?

Quoted from arryarryarry

FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender  whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.

I’d put a little counter argument to that first line in that he did decide to fall down. He didn’t go down outside the box being pulled but as soon as he got inside he went straight down. It’s ‘clever’ play from him and using the laws of the game to his advantage.

This is where I lean slightly more to what Ruuger is saying. A player being pulled just outside the box is where the foul started, if he can stay on his feet long enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden falls down there’s a question over the ethics of his play. If course ethics don’t really feature and players play to gain the advantage, I’m not that naive.

Does it beg the question in general fouls? If a player is tripped outside the box but the momentum of his run means he rolls/stumbles/falls into the box it should be a penalty? Absolutely not for me but should it be the same in that where a foul (trip) is committed it’s at the point of the trip therefore if a player is pulled it should be at the point the pull started.

Quoted from Ruuger

Why are you so angry, it's just a hypothetical discussion?  

As for the incident, he may have been pulled down, but also he may have decided to fall down in the area to win a pen, that happens all to often these days, right?

Hypothetical, you keep rabbiting on about an actual incident.

Whether he deliberately fell down is irrelevant he was fouled in the area by being tugged by our full back who was totally responsible for giving away a penalty. What is it that you cannot understand?

Quoted from gtfc_chris

I’d put a little counter argument to that first line in that he did decide to fall down. He didn’t go down outside the box being pulled but as soon as he got inside he went straight down. It’s ‘clever’ play from him and using the laws of the game to his advantage.

This is where I lean slightly more to what Ruuger is saying. A player being pulled just outside the box is where the foul started, if he can stay on his feet long enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden falls down there’s a question over the ethics of his play. If course ethics don’t really feature and players play to gain the advantage, I’m not that naive.

Does it beg the question in general fouls? If a player is tripped outside the box but the momentum of his run means he rolls/stumbles/falls into the box it should be a penalty? Absolutely not for me but should it be the same in that where a foul (trip) is committed it’s at the point of the trip therefore if a player is pulled it should be at the point the pull started.

You are getting as barmy as the other chap, he was being fouled in the box that is all that matters irrespective of whether he helped himself fall down.

As for being fouled outside of the box and rolling into the box that should clearly be a free kick outside of the penalty area.

Fúck me, are we really still going on about this!?