Posted by: GyMariner, July 30, 2024, 6:40pm; Reply: 1
So arguably our 3 best players injured, wow.
Posted by: pontoonlew, July 30, 2024, 6:45pm; Reply: 2
It seems to be every pre season we lose multiple first team players due to injury, it’s either rotten luck or we’re doing something terribly wrong when bringing players back in.
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, July 30, 2024, 6:47pm; Reply: 3
On the plus side be good to see how Gardner performs against L1 opposition
Posted by: AndyGTFC, July 30, 2024, 6:52pm; Reply: 4
Depth is our biggest problem.
Stick those three in and I don't actually think we've got a bad starting eleven, but we've just got absolutely nothing after that.
Posted by: HerveJosse, July 30, 2024, 6:56pm; Reply: 5
Anybody got the Rotherham line up
Posted by: FrazerGTFC, July 30, 2024, 6:57pm; Reply: 6
It seems to be every pre season we lose multiple first team players due to injury, it’s either rotten luck or we’re doing something terribly wrong when bringing players back in.
There’s also a vicious circle brought about by a lack of squad depth, in that you potentially end up playing players for longer than their bodies are ready for in pre-season games like this. Vernam and Wilson probably the standout concerns of tonight’s lineup.
I respect those that have tried to put a positive spin on current circumstances, but personally I find it concerning that we’re going into our penultimate pre-season game able to field only 14 senior pros in match day squad (and that’s including Khouri and Carson who are 21 and still relatively inexperienced in the EFL).
Above all else, we must avoid further injuries at all costs tonight.
Posted by: promotion plaice, July 30, 2024, 7:09pm; Reply: 8
The game is available on Mariners TV for anyone interested...
What’s the deal with Pyke? Did we get rid? Is he injured? Why haven’t we signed any forwards?
Injured
Posted by: heppy88, July 30, 2024, 8:11pm; Reply: 37
Been impressed with the young lad Gardner. Calm, composed and assured on the ball. Good physical presence for his age.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 8:12pm; Reply: 38
Khouri’s passing is dire
Posted by: oochiad, July 30, 2024, 8:18pm; Reply: 39
We’ve done ok. Nothing like what I’ve been reading on here lately I’m pleased to say.
Posted by: promotion plaice, July 30, 2024, 8:19pm; Reply: 40
HT ...1-1
Posted by: Kris2, July 30, 2024, 8:22pm; Reply: 41
Done alright without looking spectacular. Lots of the right idea without getting the execution right, surprisingly, we looked the sharper of the two teams towards the end of the half. Rotherham seemed to run out of steam after 30 minutes in the heat and looked more lethargic relying on counter attacks.
Posted by: Ruuger, July 30, 2024, 8:23pm; Reply: 42
Any lesser spotted, out of contract pro footballers spotted in the crowd?
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, July 30, 2024, 8:27pm; Reply: 43
Khouri has done well in the Thompson role, his passing has been very good in general.
Gardner has looked pretty good, his defensive positioning has been a little off at times but you'd expect something like that from a youth player.
Vernam has made some nice runs and linking up well with McEachran and Carson.
We started really well, played some nice football, scored a good goal, conceded a bad goal. I'm concerned how flat the midfield is as its leavibg Wilson rather issolated at times. Overall its not bad for a friendly.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 8:29pm; Reply: 44
JDS and Tharme in the upper
Former said he is NOT Injured
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 30, 2024, 8:32pm; Reply: 45
Stick those three in and I don't actually think we've got a bad starting eleven, but we've just got absolutely nothing after that.
So we need 3 players, making 10 in altogether, one fewer than DAs original target. If you signed a Ryan Taylor type and Dis type plus a decent quick loanee out wide that can provide an outlet that would do it wouldn’t it? You wouldn’t expect that to be a huge budget buster.
Posted by: AndyGTFC, July 30, 2024, 8:39pm; Reply: 46
Those statements couldn’t be further apart . Weird
Posted by: Chrisblor, July 30, 2024, 8:44pm; Reply: 49
Dire defending from Cass I think it was to give away a penalty there. No idea why he thought it was sensible to pull his man back after he'd beaten him and was inside the area. Poor penalty too, think Wright should have done better with it.
Posted by: DB, July 30, 2024, 8:44pm; Reply: 50
2 - 1 down. they score a pen
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, July 30, 2024, 8:47pm; Reply: 51
He's made 2 bad passes and both were near identical, in the same part of the pitch, which suggests someone didn't make the run they should have apart from that...
Posted by: davmariner, July 30, 2024, 8:48pm; Reply: 52
Yet to see why we’ve brought Cass in. He’s looked flipping awful in the matches I’ve seen.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 8:48pm; Reply: 53
Are we playing out from the back with any level of success? Or will it get binned off pretty quickly?
Sometimes we've done it well in a composed manner, sometines in a less composed manner or we've hoofed it clear after nearly being caught out.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 9:01pm; Reply: 58
Left Backs injured. Looks like Hamstring
We are flipping cursed
Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, July 30, 2024, 9:14pm; Reply: 59
Really like the look of Mcjannet
Posted by: DB, July 30, 2024, 9:15pm; Reply: 60
2-2
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 9:16pm; Reply: 61
Get in well done Cam!
Posted by: Chrisblor, July 30, 2024, 9:16pm; Reply: 62
Very nice, fully deserved goal for Gardner
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, July 30, 2024, 9:16pm; Reply: 63
Gooooooooooooal 2-2
Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, July 30, 2024, 9:16pm; Reply: 64
Was it someone on here that said Gardner broke all of Harrys testing records in pre season? Can definitely see why, fit as a fiddle and a performance deserving of a goal
Posted by: Poojah, July 30, 2024, 9:18pm; Reply: 65
Really pleased for the lad. Sounds like he’s given a good account of himself tonight, and should give him some confidence at a time when he’s likely to get some league minutes in the coming weeks.
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, July 30, 2024, 9:19pm; Reply: 66
Whos the young lad on the left wing now?
Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, July 30, 2024, 9:20pm; Reply: 67
Was it someone on here that said Gardner broke all of Harrys testing records in pre season? Can definitely see why, fit as a fiddle and a performance deserving of a goal
Done himself proud and held his own. He's a big lad, first time I saw him in person, Football Manager's model for him is actually incredibly accurate as he looked a beast when I had him on loan for my Cleethorpes Town save.
Posted by: mariner91, July 30, 2024, 9:23pm; Reply: 70
Boston beat a full strength Notts County 2-1.
Posted by: chipsandgravy, July 30, 2024, 9:25pm; Reply: 71
Considering it was a threadbare squad I thought we gave a decent account of ourselves and was worthy of the draw. Some decent passages of play and some good individual performances. As would expect a few more questions than answers but some cause for optimism. Don't know what all the fuss was about!!
Posted by: Madeleymariner, July 30, 2024, 9:25pm; Reply: 72
Watching on TV but obvs we paid for a game and thats what we got 90 mins did anything happen in added time
Posted by: BenBB, July 30, 2024, 9:27pm; Reply: 73
Camera man: "I've been paid to do 90 minutes, you're getting 90 minutes"
Posted by: oochiad, July 30, 2024, 9:32pm; Reply: 74
Well worth the trip from up north.
Posted by: Poojah, July 30, 2024, 9:32pm; Reply: 75
Camera man: "I've been paid to do 90 minutes, you're getting 90 minutes"
Picked up an injury and we didn’t have a fit back-up camera man.
Posted by: Chrisblor, July 30, 2024, 9:34pm; Reply: 76
Gardner's equaliser here (great delivery from Hume too):
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Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, July 30, 2024, 9:34pm; Reply: 77
Hopefully that'll calm things down a little, a better account of ourselves against strong opposition.. need for bodies is still very apparent and i'm sure will be rectified. Like the look of Mcjannet and Mceachran, Gardner has shown he can be relied on if needed and Khouri had a good game I thought in front of the back 4. Ainley and Hume looked sharp when they came on.
Posted by: Yoda, July 30, 2024, 9:36pm; Reply: 78
A better performance at last. Did Rose get on.
Posted by: TAGG, July 30, 2024, 9:36pm; Reply: 79
Enjoyed that. Good workout. Looks like we may have a good player on our hands in young Camaron. Is the Yoda bloke in bed?
Posted by: Poojah, July 30, 2024, 9:38pm; Reply: 80
Interesting comment from the Rotherham forum - just like watching Juve, apparently. That’s good to hear as you’d imagine the spontaneous revival of that old chant will be one of the KPIs outlined by the owners this season…
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I watched it since half-time, WOW I didn't know Juventus play in Grimsby because that team in B&W passed us off the pitch and were a far better team both in and out of possession. We can't keep the ball, we just boot it long, our players look a yard slower than theirs. If anyone thinks we look good tonight you need to stop watching football that was awful, if we start the season that bad we will not do as well as people expect, we have to improve a lot. How come we recruit players that can pass and play football and when they put on a Rotherham shirt they look like a reserve at Wycombe?
Posted by: jamesgtfc, July 30, 2024, 9:45pm; Reply: 83
I was worried about tonight. Knowing Steve Evans, I thought he'd be revved up for the game and he definitely was, earning himself a booking the first time he got out his seat. Artell kept screaming at Khouri throughout the game, and I thought Warren looked very useful when he came on at right wing.
Both their goals were poor from our perspective, although I thought we could have had a penalty immediately after theirs, but the ref opted for a free kick right on the edge.
Posted by: TonySmith, July 30, 2024, 9:48pm; Reply: 84
After reading the comment from the Rotherham fan quoted above, I can't help but cast my mind back a full 10 days to recall almost the exact same comments on here about Town after the York match, and after South Shields to some degree. It's almost as if some fans automatically assume their team should just be able to show up and blow away any team that plays in a lower league, even in a pre-season friendly or else a disastrous league season is all but guaranteed. I honestly have absolutely no idea yet how this season will pan out, and pre-season results (good or bad) against Boston, York, South Shields, Rotherham, and Mansfield will not begin to answer that question.
Posted by: forza ivano, July 30, 2024, 9:50pm; Reply: 85
Hopefully that'll calm things down a little, a better account of ourselves against strong opposition.. need for bodies is still very apparent and i'm sure will be rectified. Like the look of Mcjannet and Mceachran, Gardner has shown he can be relied on if needed and Khouri had a good game I thought in front of the back 4. Ainley and Hume looked sharp when they came on.
can't disagree with that, thought Rodgers was very good, and Cass was pretty solid, apart from the silly penalty. I was told Cam had come back as fit as a butcher's dog and had been beating some of Harry's records in training.
not trying to be too critical of the keeper, but I can imagine Eastwood has a chance of being no.1 at Fleetwood if he gets a go on Saturday
Posted by: Mappers, July 30, 2024, 9:51pm; Reply: 86
The big weakness is pretty obvious - strength ; we need 3 or 4 who will be able to mix it with the meat heads in league 2, midfielders especially - it looks like we have the technicians in Mcrechran and possibly Ainley ; such a shame Thompson got injured because he would add a really nice blend in there and that would actually be a really good midfield 3 wouldn't it .
I suppose see what the next week or 2 brings , but a far more encouraging performance against one of Big Steve's sides that will probably compete in the top half of the league up .
I like the look of Gardner , hope he get's some decent game time this season .
Posted by: MuddyWaters, July 30, 2024, 10:00pm; Reply: 87
How did Henry Brown do when he came on?
Posted by: Hagrid, July 30, 2024, 10:07pm; Reply: 88
Did okay! We certainly looked to use his side rather than the right, was up against an experienced full back but I know he’s rated highly and probably got a good chance being in the squad for fleetwood
Posted by: MuddyWaters, July 30, 2024, 10:19pm; Reply: 89
Did okay! We certainly looked to use his side rather than the right, was up against an experienced full back but I know he’s rated highly and probably got a good chance being in the squad for fleetwood
Good news. Big year for him to earn a pro contract.
Posted by: ancientmariner54, July 30, 2024, 10:22pm; Reply: 90
Our Enery looks a good prospect...U.T.M.
Posted by: headingly_mariner, July 30, 2024, 10:32pm; Reply: 91
First time I've seen us pre season. Thought we looked pretty good. Green and Vernam stood out for me.
Really special mention for Gardner who was tireless and the reports about his fitness are true. He's massive, strong, has good movement and a bit of quality. He could really break into the first team this season.
Thought Khouri did well, although at times made the odd wrong decision. He could make the grade with a run of games.
Posted by: gtfc_chris, July 30, 2024, 10:51pm; Reply: 92
Considering I’m one of the generally always optimistic, dare I say ‘rose tinted’ calibre of poster that game didn’t really set any alarms off nor did it make me think there’s anything to get carried away about.
Our passing was generally pretty good, there was a lot across the back - I think we know that’s to be expected - but we seemed to be slightly better at it than last season and we tried to manipulate situations where we could progress forward as a result, with mixed results.
Wright doesn’t look like he has a range of passing, confident with the short pass but when kicking long it was a bit off, but could be an off day.
There were a few occasions that were frustrating, creating overloads but then not executing the right pass, or enough quality with the pass. One on the right hand side in the first half had a 3v1 on the full back before we just gifted them it back and then a similar one from Wilson on the left later on. Frustrating though it was, creating them scenarios is a positive and hopefully will become more frequent and more successful as we progress into the season.
Didn’t really feel any player stood out in a positive or negative light, solid performances all round in one way or another. Didn’t think Gardner had a great overall impact but can’t disagree with his physical attributes and he did impress with his work rate and took his goal well, so for all my critique at some technical stuff he’s made up in others. I’m also a staunch believer that if you want to find out if a young lad can make the grade then you have to play him, continually, to give him the chance to grow and learn from the game as he plays it so I won’t be unhappy to see him around the first team.
Khouri did some bits really well and then maybe followed with a poor pass but again, I think he’s in line to get more playing time and although he won’t be quite as effective as Thompson or Conteh there’s still a good chance he could progress.
Enjoyed the game overall though, and I’m sure when the real stuff starts there’ll be an added layer intent and edge which hopefully we’ve reserved and shifts us up a gear without anything else happening.
That said of course, the obvious has already been mentioned in the squad depth. I’m not against the youngsters being in there if it is a case of waiting to get players they want, rather than rushing to get players in just for the sake of it. Certainly not the ideal situation, but when we query why youth never get a chance, then wonder why we’ve signed some competition winner the natural conclusion is don’t sign the competition winner and play your own youngsters instead. If the upshot is we learn whether a YT could go on the play a part and make the grade then I’d be happy with the potential sacrifice that may occur with results or performance to help nurture our own.
Posted by: moosey_club, July 30, 2024, 11:15pm; Reply: 93
Played well without the ball, didn't get ripped apart...worked hard and gave a decent showing against higher opposition. With the ball a bit hit and miss , can see some patterns of play developing although not all came off, the move prior to the corner for our first being an example of what I think Artell would want to see. Funny old game as various opinions so far I agree with and others I couldn't disagree with more...thought Cass was the pick of the new guys solid, decent with the ball especially against a tricky winger, only blot being the penalty, thought Carson was under whelming, Wright didn't fill me with confidence, Mcreachan looked bright in places but physically weak, Mcjannet grew into the game. Obvious concerns with depth and quality of the squad and seems to be pretty short in height.
Posted by: GibMariner, July 31, 2024, 5:07am; Reply: 94
Pleased with that performance but need reinforcements.
UTMM
Posted by: aussiej, July 31, 2024, 5:54am; Reply: 95
Quite enjoyable game to watch and can see the seeds of some kind of style developing. Still need permanent signings in midfield, up front and on the flanks. It's a shame we dithered through those early pre season games, but its never too late so lets see a bit more on saturday.
Posted by: DB, July 31, 2024, 6:48am; Reply: 96
Given the opinions on here about other preseason games I wondered what sort of score it would be. To get the negatives out of the way first, they scored 2 silly goals against us with some bad defending.
That said, both of our goals were well taken by Rodgers and Gardner. Our defence looked pretty good throughout the game and given the number of attacks by Rotheram, L1 ex championship side, could consider to be solid, if not silly as mentioned above.
Midfield seems adequate at best and could do better in support of Wilson. The balls to him reminded me of Hurst Ball as he had little help most of the time while he was on the pitch.
On the whole the game was entertaining and a fair result. Bring on Mansfield.
Posted by: rancido, July 31, 2024, 6:48am; Reply: 97
Quite enjoyable game to watch and can see the seeds of some kind of style developing. Still need permanent signings in midfield, up front and on the flanks. It's a shame we dithered through those early pre season games, but its never too late so lets see a bit more on saturday.
I wouldn't say " dithered" , more like learnt and developed. The whole point of pre-season games is to get match fit, try things out, assess players in match conditions and allow the squad to gel.
Posted by: forza ivano, July 31, 2024, 7:41am; Reply: 98
Out of interest, n to give the performance some context, how strong a side did the F.S.C. Evans put out?
Posted by: Poojah, July 31, 2024, 8:13am; Reply: 99
Out of interest, n to give the performance some context, how strong a side did the F.S.C. Evans put out?
I think reasonably close to full strength, barring the trialist who started up top.
Posted by: Gtfcalex, July 31, 2024, 9:24am; Reply: 100
I had the pleasure of attending last night and thought it was positive for most parts.
We have a player on our hands in McJannet, he was exceptional, dominated Clarke-Harris in open play, who is one of the best lower league strikers. Defence as a whole was solid.
Cass did well, he adjusted well in the second half against there tricky winger, except for the penalty
Khouri looked comfortable and Green was everywhere I looked.
Nice to see the young lads coming through
A couple of signings and we’ll do just fine.
Posted by: diehardmariner, July 31, 2024, 10:21am; Reply: 101
Considering I’m one of the generally always optimistic, dare I say ‘rose tinted’ calibre of poster that game didn’t really set any alarms off nor did it make me think there’s anything to get carried away about.
Our passing was generally pretty good, there was a lot across the back - I think we know that’s to be expected - but we seemed to be slightly better at it than last season and we tried to manipulate situations where we could progress forward as a result, with mixed results.
Wright doesn’t look like he has a range of passing, confident with the short pass but when kicking long it was a bit off, but could be an off day.
There were a few occasions that were frustrating, creating overloads but then not executing the right pass, or enough quality with the pass. One on the right hand side in the first half had a 3v1 on the full back before we just gifted them it back and then a similar one from Wilson on the left later on. Frustrating though it was, creating them scenarios is a positive and hopefully will become more frequent and more successful as we progress into the season.
Didn’t really feel any player stood out in a positive or negative light, solid performances all round in one way or another. Didn’t think Gardner had a great overall impact but can’t disagree with his physical attributes and he did impress with his work rate and took his goal well, so for all my critique at some technical stuff he’s made up in others. I’m also a staunch believer that if you want to find out if a young lad can make the grade then you have to play him, continually, to give him the chance to grow and learn from the game as he plays it so I won’t be unhappy to see him around the first team.
Khouri did some bits really well and then maybe followed with a poor pass but again, I think he’s in line to get more playing time and although he won’t be quite as effective as Thompson or Conteh there’s still a good chance he could progress.
Enjoyed the game overall though, and I’m sure when the real stuff starts there’ll be an added layer intent and edge which hopefully we’ve reserved and shifts us up a gear without anything else happening.
That said of course, the obvious has already been mentioned in the squad depth. I’m not against the youngsters being in there if it is a case of waiting to get players they want, rather than rushing to get players in just for the sake of it. Certainly not the ideal situation, but when we query why youth never get a chance, then wonder why we’ve signed some competition winner the natural conclusion is don’t sign the competition winner and play your own youngsters instead. If the upshot is we learn whether a YT could go on the play a part and make the grade then I’d be happy with the potential sacrifice that may occur with results or performance to help nurture our own.
Great post Chris. I've said countless times over the last few weeks that we shouldn't get carried away because we failed to impress against South Shields in pre-season, so the same has to be said when we've done far better against a Rotherham side who most will expect to challenge in League One.
It's still the same pre-season that doesn't matter. You don't win any points for pre-season games. You gain fitness, you get sharper and you start to develop relationships on the pitch.
That said highly encouraging that the performance was good and very welcome to see a more positive response from the fan base.
On your Khouri point, he won't do the same job as either Thompson or Conteh. Just like how Thompson didn't do the same job as Conteh. I think (if he's the one who does the sitting role whilst Thompson is out) he'll be more of a breaker-up type than either Thompson or Conteh. Both Conteh and Thompson used their strength to avoid making tackles a lot of the time, definitely in the case of Conteh. More of the get the body in the way than going to ground. Khouri isn't weak but he's not blessed with those attributes as much. But he's probably got better stamina and is quicker. He won't do the turning of men in tight situations but he is more likely to tear across the pitch and make a challenge. I'm a big fan of him but the one thing, especially in that role, that he needs to improve is his consistency with the ball. Conteh was frustrating in that he allowed sloppy passes to creep into his game (inexperience, absolutely) whereas Thompson consistently recycled the ball very well. I don't think we're desperate for an assist machine sitting in that role, just someone who does the simple things very well.
Posted by: Poojah, July 31, 2024, 12:40pm; Reply: 102
Posted by: sam gy, July 31, 2024, 1:13pm; Reply: 103
After watching that i really hope both Khouri and Vernam can stay injury free and kick on this season.
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 1:19pm; Reply: 104
Well, the commentator said no argument about the pen, but if you stop the video when he is grabbed, he is a yard outside the penalty area.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 31, 2024, 1:22pm; Reply: 105
So by your reasoning, a player gets grabbed on the halfway line but runs into the penalty area and then falls down, it's a pen? The foul occurred outside the box, therefore should have been a free kick. You can't make your own rules up mate.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 31, 2024, 1:40pm; Reply: 107
So by your reasoning, a player gets grabbed on the halfway line but runs into the penalty area and then falls down, it's a pen? The foul occurred outside the box, therefore should have been a free kick. You can't make your own rules up mate.
They arent the rules you absolute clown.
If a foul occurs outside the box, but continues into the box, its a penalty. I'll pull him back outside the box, and then i'll do the same in the box but nah we'll just bring it back.... wake up
You really do come across as a complete know it all who actually knows sodomist all. You're Black and White Bear under a new username despite what you say
Posted by: Hagrid, July 31, 2024, 1:42pm; Reply: 108
So by your reasoning, a player gets grabbed on the halfway line but runs into the penalty area and then falls down, it's a pen? The foul occurred outside the box, therefore should have been a free kick. You can't make your own rules up mate.
"If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick"
Taken from the Laws of the game on the FA website " mate"
Posted by: Poojah, July 31, 2024, 1:47pm; Reply: 109
"If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick"
Taken from the Laws of the game on the FA website " mate"
You can prove anything with facts, can’t you…
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 1:50pm; Reply: 110
If a foul occurs outside the box, but continues into the box, its a penalty. I'll pull him back outside the box, and then i'll do the same in the box but nah we'll just bring it back.... wake up
You really do come across as a complete know it all who actually knows sodomist all. You're Black and White Bear under a new username despite what you say
Anyone who knows the rules of football will tell you that this is wrong. I have never seen anything so ridiculous. Also, why be so abusive, I post something I see in a video and you then get all over it. I really don't understand some people on here. I wonder if any sensible posters will post in this thread and back me up on this. And, I don't know what your obsession with The Blackandwhite bear is, but I am not that person.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 31, 2024, 1:56pm; Reply: 111
Anyone who knows the rules of football will tell you that this is wrong. I have never seen anything so ridiculous. Also, why be so abusive, I post something I see in a video and you then get all over it. I really don't understand some people on here. I wonder if any sensible posters will post in this thread and back me up on this. And, I don't know what your obsession with The Blackandwhite bear is, but I am not that person.
ITS THE LAWS OF THE GAME!!!! Jesus christ I cant even be bother to argue with you
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 2:04pm; Reply: 112
So when is it a foul, when hands are first laid on him by a defender to stop him, or when and where he decides to fall down?
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 31, 2024, 2:06pm; Reply: 113
Not taking sides in this debate but this is what I remember.
A good few years ago a town defender pulled their player back outside the box.
Then let's go as they enter the box.
So our player pulled him back again and the ref gives them a pen.
Our player told the ref it was outside the box the ref replied you pulled his shirt outside the box then again inside the box.
Our player then asks the ref then why did you not give a foul outside the box.
No reply from the ref.
Not sure this answer helps much but how many times do hear the commentator say any where else on the pitch you get a free kick for that tackle but it happens inside the penalty area and he gives nothing.
Confused ? Well I am ;D
Posted by: Maringer, July 31, 2024, 2:07pm; Reply: 114
Referees are entitled to let play go on when a foul is made if an attacker is benefitting from doing so. If the foul play then continues into the box, he can just treat it as a new foul.
Posted by: Watch and Shoot, July 31, 2024, 2:14pm; Reply: 115
ITS THE LAWS OF THE GAME!!!! Jesus christ I cant even be bother to argue with you
Am not taking sides but.......
Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct
. If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.
Posted by: Captain Sensible, July 31, 2024, 2:15pm; Reply: 116
How many supporters did Rotherham Bring?
Posted by: lee65, July 31, 2024, 2:15pm; Reply: 117
I thought the ref was decent, a few "heavy" (and cynical) challenges going in from both sides and he tried to let it flow well
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, July 31, 2024, 2:17pm; Reply: 118
. If a defender starts holding an attacker outside the penalty area and continues holding inside the penalty area, the referee must award a penalty kick.
Time to hold your hands up Ruuger and admit Hagrid is correct on this one.
Posted by: lee65, July 31, 2024, 2:17pm; Reply: 119
Referees are entitled to let play go on when a foul is made if an attacker is benefitting from doing so. If the foul play then continues into the box, he can just treat it as a new foul.
So this takes us into the realm of cheating, the player doesn't go down when being pulled back outside the box, but once he is inside the box, he goes down.
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 2:25pm; Reply: 121
Time to hold your hands up Ruuger and admit Hagrid is correct on this one.
I understand that the law is there, so Hagrid is correct and I apologize to him, however I do think that is a very strange law, for instance, how does a ref work out how far outside the box he should give a free kick or let the foul continue as opposed to letting the player who is being fouled run into the box, then give a pen. Surely if it's a foul inside the penalty area, then it has to be a foul outside the area!
Posted by: friskneymariner, July 31, 2024, 2:31pm; Reply: 122
Anyone who knows the rules of football will tell you that this is wrong. I have never seen anything so ridiculous. Also, why be so abusive, I post something I see in a video and you then get all over it. I really don't understand some people on here. I wonder if any sensible posters will post in this thread and back me up on this. And, I don't know what your obsession with The Blackandwhite bear is, but I am not that person.
Complaining about someone abusive is a bit Alanis Morrisette, it's like the cooking instrument making racial aspersions about the utensil for heating water.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 31, 2024, 2:52pm; Reply: 123
I understand that the law is there, so Hagrid is correct and I apologize to him, however I do think that is a very strange law, for instance, how does a ref work out how far outside the box he should give a free kick or let the foul continue as opposed to letting the player who is being fouled run into the box, then give a pen. Surely if it's a foul inside the penalty area, then it has to be a foul outside the area!
no problem, And I apologise for saying Clown
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 3:28pm; Reply: 124
Anyone who knows the rules of football will tell you that this is wrong. I have never seen anything so ridiculous. Also, why be so abusive, I post something I see in a video and you then get all over it. I really don't understand some people on here. I wonder if any sensible posters will post in this thread and back me up on this. And, I don't know what your obsession with The Blackandwhite bear is, but I am not that person.
Anyone who claims to know about the “rules” of the game simply don’t. It’s pedantic but important that they are the laws of the game. Schoolboy error to call them rules.
Posted by: Theimperialcoroner, July 31, 2024, 4:19pm; Reply: 129
I understand that the law is there, so Hagrid is correct and I apologize to him, however I do think that is a very strange law, for instance, how does a ref work out how far outside the box he should give a free kick or let the foul continue as opposed to letting the player who is being fouled run into the box, then give a pen. Surely if it's a foul inside the penalty area, then it has to be a foul outside the area!
Oh god, American spellings too. My boxes are getting ticked here.
Posted by: Ruuger, July 31, 2024, 4:25pm; Reply: 130
Oh god, American spellings too. My boxes are getting ticked here.
American spellings? Oh you mean apologize.
Apologize is the preferred spelling in American and Canadian English, and apologise is preferred in varieties of English from outside North America. This is the case despite the fact that apologize is the original form and was once standard even in British English (and is still used by some British publishers).
Posted by: Maringer, July 31, 2024, 4:27pm; Reply: 131
If a defender is hanging on to you as you break into the box and you've stayed on your feet, it's the defender's fault if he's stupid enough to keep hold. From the highlights, our defender clearly dragged him back further even after he went into the box. It's not a dive if you're clearly being fouled.
Posted by: Theimperialcoroner, July 31, 2024, 4:28pm; Reply: 132
I understand that the law is there, so Hagrid is correct and I apologize to him, however I do think that is a very strange law, for instance, how does a ref work out how far outside the box he should give a free kick or let the foul continue as opposed to letting the player who is being fouled run into the box, then give a pen. Surely if it's a foul inside the penalty area, then it has to be a foul outside the area!
Playing the advantage is clearly in the laws of the game, their player was ahead of Cass running into the area so the Ref played the advantage, Cass kept on pulling their guy's shirt in the penalty area so the advantage changed to giving a penalty as he was dragged down.
Posted by: Lost in Lincoln, August 1, 2024, 7:00pm; Reply: 138
So by your reasoning, a player gets grabbed on the halfway line but runs into the penalty area and then falls down, it's a pen? The foul occurred outside the box, therefore should have been a free kick. You can't make your own rules up mate.
That's the law, if a foul *starts* outside the box but *continues* inside its a pen
Posted by: Ruuger, August 1, 2024, 8:06pm; Reply: 139
That's the law, if a foul *starts* outside the box but *continues* inside its a pen
I know that is what the law says, and I understand that but to me it's a strange one. If it's a foul in the penalty area, then it is also a foul outside the penalty area, so in my humble opinion the first foul should be given. Lets just say that Cass, I think it was him, started pulling the player back 10 yards outside the penalty area, does the ref blow for a foul then or does he let play go on with Cass still hanging onto the guys shoulder? This then brings up the question, how far outside the box do you blow for a foul, and how close to the box do you let play go on?
Interested to see if anyone has a comment to make.
Posted by: LocalLadGTFC, August 1, 2024, 8:14pm; Reply: 140
I know that is what the law says, and I understand that but to me it's a strange one. If it's a foul in the penalty area, then it is also a foul outside the penalty area, so in my humble opinion the first foul should be given. Lets just say that Cass, I think it was him, started pulling the player back 10 yards outside the penalty area, does the ref blow for a foul then or does he let play go on with Cass still hanging onto the guys shoulder? This then brings up the question, how far outside the box do you blow for a foul, and how close to the box do you let play go on?
Interested to see if anyone has a comment to make.
It's the last point the ref believes the foul is made, just like he lets advantage run until he deems there's no longer an advantage. So say he's pulling on the shoulder 10 yards outside the box until they're 2 yards out the box and then lets go and the player then enters the box and falls over it wouldn't be a penalty but the play would be brought back for a foul 2 yards outside the box because there's no advantage gained.
Posted by: jamesgtfc, August 1, 2024, 8:16pm; Reply: 141
I know that is what the law says, and I understand that but to me it's a strange one. If it's a foul in the penalty area, then it is also a foul outside the penalty area, so in my humble opinion the first foul should be given. Lets just say that Cass, I think it was him, started pulling the player back 10 yards outside the penalty area, does the ref blow for a foul then or does he let play go on with Cass still hanging onto the guys shoulder? This then brings up the question, how far outside the box do you blow for a foul, and how close to the box do you let play go on?
Interested to see if anyone has a comment to make.
If the player is able to maintain control of the ball over 10 yards, then more fool the fouling player holding on that long and into the box. If it happened just off centre and started 25 yards, but the fouling player hauled the player down just short of the box, I would argue that it would get pulled back as a free kick 25 yards out is more dangerous than one right on the edge.
Posted by: Heswall Mariner, August 1, 2024, 9:36pm; Reply: 142
Enough! I'm off to stick my head in the oven - Senior Management however has just advised me that apparently it's electric - what next?
Posted by: AussieMariner, August 1, 2024, 9:44pm; Reply: 143
So when is it a foul, when hands are first laid on him by a defender to stop him, or when and where he decides to fall down?
FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.
Posted by: Ruuger, August 2, 2024, 9:26am; Reply: 145
FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.
Why are you so angry, it's just a hypothetical discussion?
As for the incident, he may have been pulled down, but also he may have decided to fall down in the area to win a pen, that happens all to often these days, right?
Posted by: gtfc_chris, August 2, 2024, 10:21am; Reply: 146
FFS, he didn't decide to fall down he was pulled down. As for your comment about being fouled on the half way line and then runs to the penalty area and then falls down is just plain stupid. At the half way line he is no where near to scoring a goal and it is very unlikely that the ref would let the defender keep pulling him but if he did and he was still being pulled by the defender whilst he runs into the penalty area then the ref is within his rights to give a penalty but this situation is never likely to happen.
I’d put a little counter argument to that first line in that he did decide to fall down. He didn’t go down outside the box being pulled but as soon as he got inside he went straight down. It’s ‘clever’ play from him and using the laws of the game to his advantage.
This is where I lean slightly more to what Ruuger is saying. A player being pulled just outside the box is where the foul started, if he can stay on his feet long enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden falls down there’s a question over the ethics of his play. If course ethics don’t really feature and players play to gain the advantage, I’m not that naive.
Does it beg the question in general fouls? If a player is tripped outside the box but the momentum of his run means he rolls/stumbles/falls into the box it should be a penalty? Absolutely not for me but should it be the same in that where a foul (trip) is committed it’s at the point of the trip therefore if a player is pulled it should be at the point the pull started.
Posted by: arryarryarry, August 2, 2024, 3:44pm; Reply: 147
Why are you so angry, it's just a hypothetical discussion?
As for the incident, he may have been pulled down, but also he may have decided to fall down in the area to win a pen, that happens all to often these days, right?
Hypothetical, you keep rabbiting on about an actual incident.
Whether he deliberately fell down is irrelevant he was fouled in the area by being tugged by our full back who was totally responsible for giving away a penalty. What is it that you cannot understand?
Posted by: arryarryarry, August 2, 2024, 3:48pm; Reply: 148
I’d put a little counter argument to that first line in that he did decide to fall down. He didn’t go down outside the box being pulled but as soon as he got inside he went straight down. It’s ‘clever’ play from him and using the laws of the game to his advantage.
This is where I lean slightly more to what Ruuger is saying. A player being pulled just outside the box is where the foul started, if he can stay on his feet long enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden falls down there’s a question over the ethics of his play. If course ethics don’t really feature and players play to gain the advantage, I’m not that naive.
Does it beg the question in general fouls? If a player is tripped outside the box but the momentum of his run means he rolls/stumbles/falls into the box it should be a penalty? Absolutely not for me but should it be the same in that where a foul (trip) is committed it’s at the point of the trip therefore if a player is pulled it should be at the point the pull started.
You are getting as barmy as the other chap, he was being fouled in the box that is all that matters irrespective of whether he helped himself fall down.
As for being fouled outside of the box and rolling into the box that should clearly be a free kick outside of the penalty area.
Posted by: Poojah, August 2, 2024, 3:51pm; Reply: 149
Fúck me, are we really still going on about this!?
Posted by: Ruuger, August 2, 2024, 3:54pm; Reply: 150
Ok, iets put it another way, last game of season, we need 1 point to stay in the EFL, it’s the 96th minute, last few seconds of 6 minutes added on, and it’s 0-0, when this exact same thing happens in our penalty box, are you going to absolutely insist that it is a penalty?
Posted by: gtfc_chris, August 2, 2024, 4:03pm; Reply: 151
You are getting as barmy as the other chap, he was being fouled in the box that is all that matters irrespective of whether he helped himself fall down.
As for being fouled outside of the box and rolling into the box that should clearly be a free kick outside of the penalty area.
Agreed, it’s 100% a foul at the point of being tripped. Not even a shred of an argument.
But why does a pull differ? No arguments that a pull is a foul, but if a player can resist the pull for 3,4,10 yards and then goes down in the box then is there no suggestion they’re diving? If they can outstrength a player enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden become weak as a wet cardboard box it’s a little suspicious….
This is where I’m very aware that morality in football doesn’t stretch far and if the laws of the game dictate that the foul is at the end of the pull not the start then players will naturally do as much as they can to take that advantage.
What I was trying to suggest is that if a free kick is awarded for a trip at the point of the foul then surely for a prolonged pull then it has to be pulled back to the point (start) of the foul, else the rules surrounding fouls are not consistent. Your grey area is determination of where shoulder to shoulder (arm to arm grabbing) becomes fair battling and at what point it becomes an actual foul.
Posted by: Hagrid, August 2, 2024, 4:22pm; Reply: 152
jesus flipping christ Its a decision in a friendly.
Its 25 Outside, its Friday, go to the pub chaps
Posted by: GrimPol, August 2, 2024, 4:33pm; Reply: 153
Well, the commentator said no argument about the pen, but if you stop the video when he is grabbed, he is a yard outside the penalty area.
No7 grabbed him initially just outside the area but pulled him over inside the area. How stupid is that tackle by our No7 when we had 7 men in the area covering? Penno all day long.
Posted by: GrimPol, August 2, 2024, 4:39pm; Reply: 154
Agreed, it’s 100% a foul at the point of being tripped. Not even a shred of an argument.
But why does a pull differ? No arguments that a pull is a foul, but if a player can resist the pull for 3,4,10 yards and then goes down in the box then is there no suggestion they’re diving? If they can outstrength a player enough to get into the box and then all of a sudden become weak as a wet cardboard box it’s a little suspicious….
This is where I’m very aware that morality in football doesn’t stretch far and if the laws of the game dictate that the foul is at the end of the pull not the start then players will naturally do as much as they can to take that advantage.
What I was trying to suggest is that if a free kick is awarded for a trip at the point of the foul then surely for a prolonged pull then it has to be pulled back to the point (start) of the foul, else the rules surrounding fouls are not consistent. Your grey area is determination of where shoulder to shoulder (arm to arm grabbing) becomes fair battling and at what point it becomes an actual foul.
Sorry I'm confused. Are you intimating the morality of our No7 pulling back somehow better than there's falling over in a penalty area? If our No 7 didn't start the cheat, their player couldn't have finished the cheat.
Posted by: Posh Harry, August 2, 2024, 4:44pm; Reply: 155
Sorry I'm confused. Are you intimating the morality of our No7 pulling back somehow better than there's falling over in a penalty area? If our No 7 didn't start the cheat, their player couldn't have finished the cheat.
No I’m talking generalisations, not specific to the penalty the other night. I’m also not arguing what the law says in its current guise. What I’m debating is whether it’s seen as right.
I’m saying that a free kick is given at the point of a foul, including when the ref tries to play an advantage and it doesn’t materialise. If a defender starts to pull on an attacker and they don’t go down until they’ve reached a point of maximum value then should they be awarded that, or should it be pulled back to the point when the foul started, not where it ended.
Perhaps my first example was naff, maybe this one is better; if a player is fouled, manages to stay on his feet and carries on 10 yards before losing the ball, the ref brings play back. If a player is pulled, carries on 10 yards and then goes down he gets the free kick where he ends, not where he starts. If a pull is a foul why is it given a different outcome than the lack of advantage?
Regardless, it was just some musings that make no difference because that incident has gone and won’t change, I’m not a ref so won’t ever make that decision and not a law maker so have no say in the current law whether I agree with it or not. Seemingly though it doesn’t meet the criteria of some so I’ll bow out and wait until general discussion on football topics is allowed again.