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Poojah
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Probably because we are less than 3 weeks away, have failed to signal any attacking intent with signings and anybody that joins between now and then will either a) Need to get Match fit and up to speed or c) have missed an entire pre-season with their new team mates. Possibly to see us struggling for the first 6-8 weeks.

I’m not convinced DA has it in him to persuade many to come to town. I 100% hope he proves me wrong but my gut instinct suggests otherwise!


Here’s the slightly odd thing for me. Back in January, when our stock as a club was unthinkably low given the calamitous prevailing circumstances, we were able to sign Tharme, Thompson and Hume from League One clubs, all with reasonable pedigrees at that level, on permanent deals. Knowing how difficult January traditionally is, you’d have imagined we would find it a little easier in the summer, the situation having stabilised somewhat.

Of our signings so far, I think it’s reasonable to suggest the likes of Wright and Cass are loosely of that same calibre. Wright doesn’t have many games under his belt, which isn’t unusual for a young-ish goalkeeper, but the Lincoln consensus seems to be that he is good enough for League Two, if not a bit better. The other five are a bit more left-field, but they don’t deserve to be written off in pre-season because of that.

I think the real question is what happens next. If we sign another five, two or three of which are Thompson-esque in their ability, supplemented by a couple of properly considered loans, I don’t think the situation is anywhere near as disastrous as some are suggesting. It’s the suggestion, by someone with a solid track record, that there are currently no further “permanent” irons in the fire which makes me a little uneasy.

Last season we had too many deficiencies to list, but the ones that spring to mind are:

1. No pace
2. Little height
3. Not good enough in the press
4. Uncomfortable playing out from the back
5. No creativity in the midfield
6. Predictable in attack
7. Over reliance on Rose

In our signings so far, I can at least see an attempt to address points 4 and 5 (albeit only McEachran ticks the latter box), but we remain unchanged thus far in regard to the others. I’m a long way from panicking, there’s still quite some way to go this window, but as of right now I think it’s fairly clear that we’ve yet to fulfil the requirements necessary to successfully play Artell-ball.


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Here’s the slightly odd thing for me. Back in January, when our stock as a club was unthinkably low given the calamitous prevailing circumstances, we were able to sign Tharme, Thompson and Hume from League One clubs, all with reasonable pedigrees at that level, on permanent deals. Knowing how difficult January traditionally is, you’d have imagined we would find it a little easier in the summer, the situation having stabilised somewhat.

Of our signings so far, I think it’s reasonable to suggest the likes of Wright and Cass are loosely of that same calibre. Wright doesn’t have many games under his belt, which isn’t unusual for a young-ish goalkeeper, but the Lincoln consensus seems to be that he is good enough for League Two, if not a bit better. The other five are a bit more left-field, but they don’t deserve to be written off in pre-season because of that.

I think the real question is what happens next. If we sign another five, two or three of which are Thompson-esque in their ability, supplemented by a couple of properly considered loans, I don’t think the situation is anywhere near as disastrous as some are suggesting. It’s the suggestion, by someone with a solid track record, that there are currently no further “permanent” irons in the fire which makes me a little uneasy.

Last season we had too many deficiencies to list, but the ones that spring to mind are:

1. No pace
2. Little height
3. Not good enough in the press
4. Uncomfortable playing out from the back
5. No creativity in the midfield
6. Predictable in attack
7. Over reliance on Rose

In our signings so far, I can at least see an attempt to address points 4 and 5 (albeit only McEachran ticks the latter box), but we remain unchanged thus far in regard to the others. I’m a long way from panicking, there’s still quite some way to go this window, but as of right now I think it’s fairly clear that we’ve yet to fulfil the necessary requirements necessary to successfully play Artell-ball.


That's pretty much were I am too have to say I'm not one to normally panic but I've been a little surprised how we haven't improved the midfield nor the lack of height in the team so far.. felt last season we got bullied at times.


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Here’s the slightly odd thing for me. Back in January, when our stock as a club was unthinkably low given the calamitous prevailing circumstances, we were able to sign Tharme, Thompson and Hume from League One clubs, all with reasonable pedigrees at that level, on permanent deals. Knowing how difficult January traditionally is, you’d have imagined we would find it a little easier in the summer, the situation having stabilised somewhat.

Of our signings so far, I think it’s reasonable to suggest the likes of Wright and Cass are loosely of that same calibre. Wright doesn’t have many games under his belt, which isn’t unusual for a young-ish goalkeeper, but the Lincoln consensus seems to be that he is good enough for League Two, if not a bit better. The other five are a bit more left-field, but they don’t deserve to be written off in pre-season because of that.

I think the real question is what happens next. If we sign another five, two or three of which are Thompson-esque in their ability, supplemented by a couple of properly considered loans, I don’t think the situation is anywhere near as disastrous as some are suggesting. It’s the suggestion, by someone with a solid track record, that there are currently no further “permanent” irons in the fire which makes me a little uneasy.

Last season we had too many deficiencies to list, but the ones that spring to mind are:

1. No pace
2. Little height
3. Not good enough in the press
4. Uncomfortable playing out from the back
5. No creativity in the midfield
6. Predictable in attack
7. Over reliance on Rose

In our signings so far, I can at least see an attempt to address points 4 and 5 (albeit only McEachran ticks the latter box), but we remain unchanged thus far in regard to the others. I’m a long way from panicking, there’s still quite some way to go this window, but as of right now I think it’s fairly clear that we’ve yet to fulfil the necessary requirements necessary to successfully play Artell-ball.


We are at a difficult juncture now. Artell was recruited to implement Stockwood's "Game Model" and tried to hit the ground running with it on day one, but had to abandon it to prevent relegation. But the problem we now have is that Artell will now be expected to deliver upon the "Game Model" for which he was recruited to deliver, and the terrible traits from that disastrous run of form at the turn of the year appeared to be on display against York.

The season starts in less than 3 weeks. We haven't done any defensive work or set plays, and we haven't scored lots of exciting goals against Cleethorpes Town, Grimsby Borough, Boston United, or York City, so I dare say we haven't done any attacking work yet either. That comment in his post-match interview seemed a bit odd. I commented on it Saturday and stopped short of calling it a bit Holloway, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's a bit Holloway.

I think there is a lot of pressure on Artell come the start of the season. If the disastrous form we saw until he abandoned his style after the Doncaster game returns, the fans will be furious, but if he goes pragmatic in his approach, he's walking the same tightrope that Hurst walked last season as it's not the "Game Model".

I don't get too worked up on results during pre-season, but it is worrying that those terrible characteristics from those drubbings were on display against York.
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Probably because we are less than 3 weeks away, have failed to signal any attacking intent with signings and anybody that joins between now and then will either a) Need to get Match fit and up to speed or c) have missed an entire pre-season with their new team mates. Possibly to see us struggling for the first 6-8 weeks.

I’m not convinced DA has it in him to persuade many to come to town. I 100% hope he proves me wrong but my gut instinct suggests otherwise!


We've signed Svanthórsson who's a very attack minded winger and McEachran who, whilst I don't think is predominantly an attacker, looks to be certainly more attack minded than someone like Clifton.  The issue wasn't simply a case that we didn't have enough attacking options last season, it was that we didn't have anyone capable of finding them with a pass.  McEachran is the type of signing to address that.  

You've also got Vernam and Ainley who missed most of last season through injury and illness.  Before anyone claims that Vernam is a crock, look at his record prior to last season and you can see that's simply not the case.   Same with Ainley, have a look at his record and it shows prior to last season available for the vast majority of games for a sustained number of seasons.

I don't think we're the finished product yet and I definitely want to see at least one more striker through the door and probably another winger and then a further midfield option.  But it's 3 weeks to go.  Not 3 hours. Loan deals might not come off until once the season has started.

To say Artell hasn't got it in him to persuade many to come to Town is harsh.  Especially considering he produced the goods in his only previous transfer window with us.  That's from a generally smaller pool of available players too.  
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We haven't done any defensive work or set plays, and we haven't scored lots of exciting goals against Cleethorpes Town, Grimsby Borough, Boston United, or York City, so I dare say we haven't done any attacking work yet either.



One bad friendly (which let's not forget is just about shaking ring rust off, the result is meaningless. Even the performance is a distant second to just getting players ready) and you've come to the conclusion that we've not worked on either defending or attacking?
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One bad friendly (which let's not forget is just about shaking ring rust off, the result is meaningless. Even the performance is a distant second to just getting players ready) and you've come to the conclusion that we've not worked on either defending or attacking?


Artell literally said we’ve done no defensive work
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We are at a difficult juncture now. Artell was recruited to implement Stockwood's "Game Model" and tried to hit the ground running with it on day one, but had to abandon it to prevent relegation. But the problem we now have is that Artell will now be expected to deliver upon the "Game Model" for which he was recruited to deliver, and the terrible traits from that disastrous run of form at the turn of the year appeared to be on display against York.

The season starts in less than 3 weeks. We haven't done any defensive work or set plays, and we haven't scored lots of exciting goals against Cleethorpes Town, Grimsby Borough, Boston United, or York City, so I dare say we haven't done any attacking work yet either. That comment in his post-match interview seemed a bit odd. I commented on it Saturday stopped short of calling it a bit Holloway, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's a bit Holloway.

I think there is a lot of pressure on Artell come the start of the season. If the disastrous form we saw until he abandoned his style after the Doncaster game returns, the fans will be furious, but if he goes pragmatic in his approach, he's walking the same tightrope that Hurst walked last season as it's not the "Game Model".

I don't get too worked up on results during pre-season, but it is worrying that those terrible characteristics from those drubbings were on display against York.


Artell had the luxury of a “plan b” back in the winter - he could quite reasonably argue that he hadn’t inherited the players required to play his way. Two windows in, he won’t have that luxury again. “Plan a” has to work or it’s game over.

I think the minimum he can get away with is having us play a modestly entertaining brand of football, with decent home form, an absence of frequent drubbings, and no real threat of relegation. I’d argue that’s not a particularly high bar.

The challenge he’s got is that he’s likely to be without the likes of Tharme and Rose for the first few weeks, and potentially one or two others as well. We can’t afford to go into the season half-baked, that’s for sure.


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Artell literally said we’ve done no defensive work


Yes, just listened to his post match.  Apologies James.  He said we've not worked on defensive set-pieces, not no defensive work.

We kept clean sheets in the previous 3 games and having looked at the York highlights it looks more like individual errors than actual cohesion and drilling anything into them.  Green just lets his man walk past him for the first and someone (couldn't make out who) just lets his man get the jump on him.

Artell says he's not happy.  It's not the standard we'll need to play at in the league.  But this isn't a league game.  It's pre-season, which is absolutely the place to get the errors in the system out the way.  
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Artell literally said we’ve done no defensive work


We are in trouble then if he has been working on attack.


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Last time I checked, John Fenty wasn't the manager. And so the OP is pointless.

John Fenty supported to playing budget well in his tenure, regardless of peoples opinions. Since then, the new owners are doing a great job too.

Let's not get into a conversation regarding the significance of ownership on the playing squad or playing squad budget shall we.


Excuse me this board does not appreciate any ounce of praise to John Fenty, even if he did always manage to secure a decent forward
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