Coronavirus

Quoted from rancido

Or read some idealogical paper on Marxism! Tell me one  example of where a Marxist idealogy has been successful on this planet? Or indeed any other purely socialist ideology?

The NHS.

I do see some logic in keeping kids in school. Me and my wife work for the NHS so if the kids are off, the kids need to go elsewhere. Our options are either my mum or dad. Both of whom are relatively healthy but regularly see my grandparents, all 4 of whom are around 80.

Personally, I am keeping away from my parents for the time being.

I suffer with allergy induced asthma and had multiple lung punctures 3 years ago so I am anxious as to whether or not I am vulnerable. My asthma is under control but I do get a tight chest when I have a bad cold.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Does anybody know how many people have died from the normal flu in the same period  this has been running ?

Sorry just found out myself the total so far this winter is a staggering  231 in the UK.

So next question why is this virus being treated more deadly than the flu ?

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So far, 6,600 people have died and 120,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season

This virus is probably less deadly than the flu, but there are a couple of important factors that make it worse:

1 - For flu we vaccinate the most vulnerable with what is highly likely to be the strain or strains in circulation each winter. This means far fewer deaths because the worst affected are immune.
2 - Nobody has ever had this virus before, so everybody can catch it and pass it on, if measures aren't taken, a lot more people will catch and die than from the normal flu because there's zero herd immunity right now.

Quoted from mariner91

The NHS.

I don't want to seem pedantic but the NHS is more of a Socialist principle. I actually wanted an example of a successful country in this world that is totally run on Marxist ideology.

Quoted from pen penfras

This virus is probably less deadly than the flu, but there are a couple of important factors that make it worse:

1 - For flu we vaccinate the most vulnerable with what is highly likely to be the strain or strains in circulation each winter. This means far fewer deaths because the worst affected are immune.
2 - Nobody has ever had this virus before, so everybody can catch it and pass it on, if measures aren't taken, a lot more people will catch and die than from the normal flu because there's zero herd immunity right now.

At last, the voice of reason as regards this whole situation. I salute you pen penfras, the voice of reason.

Quoted from GrimRob

If you look at it from the virus's point of view, it wants to pass its genes on. If it kills the host it also dies so most colds and flus are not quite bad enough to kill the host, if they were they would quickly fizzle out. But this coronavirus has a high level of virulence which means it spreads quickly, quickly enough that it can get away with a higher death rate than "normal".

Plus if it is a disease that has jumped species then it’s old hosts (snakes/bats whatever) might not find it fatal but the new hosts (us) could. It can still go back to bothering the bats.

Quoted from rancido

I don't want to seem pedantic but the NHS is more of a Socialist principle. I actually wanted an example of a successful country in this world that is totally run on Marxist ideology.

Why?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I do see some logic in keeping kids in school. Me and my wife work for the NHS so if the kids are off, the kids need to go elsewhere. Our options are either my mum or dad. Both of whom are relatively healthy but regularly see my grandparents, all 4 of whom are around 80.

Personally, I am keeping away from my parents for the time being.

I suffer with allergy induced asthma and had multiple lung punctures 3 years ago so I am anxious as to whether or not I am vulnerable. My asthma is under control but I do get a tight chest when I have a bad cold.

So your childcare is covered - what about the health of school staff?

What in the flying feck has Marxism got to do with this?

I hate that this has become a political thread because we're talking about an illness which is going to cause tens of millions of deaths around the world. However, I've been complaining about the conscious underfunding of the NHS since 2010 on this forum for years now and I hope that the lack of foresight shown by governments since then doesn't cause too many additional deaths.

That doesn't matter now. We've got what we've got and we have to hope that the present administration do a decent job marshalling the resources we have available and that their plan is effective.

Judging by the comments from the WHO, I would personally recommend that those most at risk (elderly and pre-existing condition) should be extremely careful and isolate themselves right away, regardless of what government advice is right now. I can't really see why there isn't an effort to discover how many infections are actually out there unless resources really are that badly limited.

I just hope the government has given serious thought to supporting the elderly and vulnerable during this period of isolation and I hope that communities will pull together to help their neighbours.

My wife and I are on our 8th day of self isolating and it's murder with no footy on the telly.

Don't know what we will be like after four months.