RH v GTFC part 2,519

John tondeur confirmed on RH after the match that they aren't allowed to speak to any of the players/management tonight due to him tweeting this morning a rumour (which turned out to be true) that S Pearson was ill. Reason...giving away team secrets....

Ffs do we ever learn?

Fair dos to town on this one. Tondeur is in a privileged position and if Scott & Hurst want to keep the team news from the opposition then they should be able to trust him. What did Tondeur gain from it?

Where does this 'spitting of the dummy out' by people at the club stop?
Quote from Aaron on here "my brother and my dad has said that ross hannah has had an argument with Scott" Do the club see there bottom and stop him going to the games????
This is the information age and journalists will use what tools they have to get a story out, that's what they get paid for FFS
I was getting to like our duo but IMO they are being very childish and have shown a lack of respect for supporters who want to hear after match reaction      

Alternatively........lets get very professional and ensure that any information which the opposition may be able to exploit is kept under wraps until the team sheets are handed in enabling US to have an advantage or the element of suprise.

Being friendly with the press is fine but if the club had not officially released an illness to S.P then it should be kept that way.

Difference between success and failure is minute at times so lets not give away information that may be useful to the opposition.

Quoted from TAGG

This is the information age and journalists will use what tools they have to get a story out, that's what they get paid for FFS

On twitter ?

As much respect as I have for JT, I tend to think nothing should have been revealed.

But it's a tricky one cos where do you draw the line ?
Even if fans post up their own views on team selection on here, other eyes might be prying.
But equally if it's something the club might not have considered then it's not unthinkable that it might help or put the fear of god up the opposition.

For example, I could have easily have come on here pre-match and said "Hatton shouldn't play right back", "what we need to be careful of is...." or whatever.
Helfpful or hurtful ?
Now it's all about opinions but personally I was loathed to even stick up Wrexhams recent highlights or even comment on THEIR perceived weaknesses let alone ours.

In fact I tried to watch Wrexham's highlights + post match reaction to their 2-0 defeat at Kiddy on the player and found it wasn't available or wasn't fully working - is that co-incidence ?

I've often wondered if prying eyes can be looking myself and maybe wrong but if so, would argue what you say or don't say might help or hurt.
It's bloody difficult though cos it's a discussion forum and to reveal nothing would seem to defeat the whole object of it.

Just for me, (if true) team secrets seems to be going a shade too far cos be honest, wasn't there a semi-blackout on here pre-match ?
Didn't even see a "team for Wrexham" thread !

Anyway, can someone explain what actually happened ?...

I think we have to put this in to perspective. It was a piddling little thing they (the duo) have blown out of all proportion.
Do they really think that the Wrexham manager is going to change his tactics/game plan just because Pearson may or may not be playing on the night? I doubt that very much.

I think both Tondeur and the club have made a mistake here and it hasn't really reflected very well on anyone. It also adds a feeling of anger/negativity at a time when we should be absolutely bouyant. Individuals have to act more responsibly and respectfully. Let's hope that this passes quickly and doesn't affect us because we've got enough to contend with without making complications for ourselves.

Quoted from chaos33

I think both Toneur and the club have made a mistake here and it hasn't really reflected very well on anyone. It also adds a feeling of anger/negativity at a time when we should be absolutely bouyant. Indviduals have to act more responsibly and respectfully. Let's hope that this passes quickly and does't affect us because we've got eought to contend with without making complictions for ourselves.

This. We've got a massive few months coming up, which could shape our club one way or the other. Everyone concerned should concentrate on that.

Thing is though when john tondeur does do interviews he asks pathetic questions like away at hyde to Rob scott "was it your and Pauls decision to drop Anthony elding"?

Quoted from 1600

On twitter ?

As much respect as I have for JT, I tend to think nothing should have been revealed.

But it's a tricky one cos where do you draw the line ?
Even if fans post up their own views on team selection on here, other eyes might be prying.
But equally if it's something the club might not have considered then it's not unthinkable that it might help or put the fear of god up the opposition.

For example, I could have easily have come on here pre-match and said "Hatton shouldn't play right back", "what we need to be careful of is...." or whatever.
Helfpful or hurtful ?
Now it's all about opinions but personally I was loathed to even stick up Wrexhams recent highlights or even comment on THEIR perceived weaknesses let alone ours.

In fact I tried to watch Wrexham's highlights + post match reaction to their 2-0 defeat at Kiddy on the player and found it wasn't available or wasn't fully working - is that co-incidence ?

I've often wondered if prying eyes can be looking myself and maybe wrong but if so, would argue what you say or don't say might help or hurt.
It's bloody difficult though cos it's a discussion forum and to reveal nothing would seem to defeat the whole object of it.

Just for me, (if true) team secrets seems to be going a shade too far cos be honest, wasn't there a semi-blackout on here pre-match ?
Didn't even see a "team for Wrexham" thread !

Anyway, can someone explain what actually happened ?...

Genuine Question: Do you really think that opposing managerial staff make the coming on another teams fans message board part of their pre-match build up? If so then I'd go as far as to say that it is our secret weapon given the vast range of opinion which manifests itself..

Big match last night small things could have changed the outcome, Wrexham would have watched us in a previous game and could not have  been anything but fearful of Pearson especially at set pieces both ends.
I think the duo were nervous about this one and would have liked to have kept his illness under wraps, maybe thats a bit OTT but every little helps in that situation.
Should one of the fans had twittered the information it would not have been so telling as most stuff tweeted is sh1t anyway, but comming from John it was considered as official from inside the club, my take on this is that John did what he thought was expected from him and informed the fans of the bad news, its just one of those things that will soon blow over with a little Christmas spirit

JT posted the following on Twitter this morning: "Those suggesting I broke a confidence obviously don't know me very well. Heard a strong rumour and tweeted it. That's all."

Read into that what you will. My personal opinion is that John was simply doing his job but if the managers genuinely believe that he breached a or their confidence ahead of such an important game, then I can well understand why they took the stance that they did. Whatever the truth, it's all rather silly and unnecessary.

Very petty over-reaction by S&H - effectively a public rebuke to JT and RH, when any misunderstanding as to source / intent and their concerns about implications of the tweet could and should have been sorted out by phone conversations during the day.

It's JT's and RH's job to pass on news - arguably if the Club want to ensure such information remains under wraps maybe they should direct their enquiries to whoever 'leaked' the rumour and tighten up their policy internally.

Very disappointing incident when everyone should be concentrating on the positives and the imminent challenges.

Maybe as someone suggested it's all about mind games. Maybe we could use JT. "Pond, Pearson and Miller" all struck down with food poisoning and won't be available for Boxing day.(I made that up by the way) but would it help Lincoln ?

Quoted from TAGG

Where does this 'spitting of the dummy out' by people at the club stop?
Quote from Aaron on here "my brother and my dad has said that ross hannah has had an argument with Scott" Do the club see there bottom and stop him going to the games????
This is the information age and journalists will use what tools they have to get a story out, that's what they get paid for FFS
I was getting to like our duo but IMO they are being very childish and have shown a lack of respect for supporters who want to hear after match reaction      

I very much doubt this. You have frequently criticised them, have never agreed to a " management duo " and ,as far as I have seen on this message board, never given them any praise in what they have achieved so far. You come out , guns blazing, at every opportunity to criticise them for any slight PR gaffe they might make.

Tondeur made an error of judgement any advantage gained however small could make a a big difference. Their reaction was harsh but if nothing was done/said what is to stop it happening every week, when maybe a more influential player was unavailable.

Quoted from barralad

Genuine Question: Do you really think that opposing managerial staff make the coming on another teams fans message board part of their pre-match build up?

Really not sure that's why I asked.
But if I had to guess I'd say yes because if you were an opposing team then wouldn't you go looking for clues ?

Quoted from barralad

If so then I'd go as far as to say that it is our secret weapon given the vast range of opinion which manifests itself..

Perhaps.
But maybe they're gonna pay more attention to some posts than others ?
I think it could be a secret weapon of sorts but would guess it comes more from positive output/mind games than a range of different views. (but who knows maybe you're right)

And what about a situation where most agree ?
tbh I'd guess it doesn't make a deal of difference (if any) but as we know, football can be about fine lines.

Anyway...
Are you trying to say don't hold back on the analysis ?...

Quoted from gymadman

Tondeur made an error of judgement any advantage gained however small could make a a big difference. Their reaction was harsh but if nothing was done/said what is to stop it happening every week, when maybe a more influential player was unavailable.

He was doing his job. Whether he made an error of judgement depends entirely on who his source was.

Quoted from rancido

I very much doubt this. You have frequently criticised them, have never agreed to a " management duo " and ,as far as I have seen on this message board,never given them any praise in what they have achieved so far. You come out , guns blazing, at every opportunity to criticise them for any slight PR gaffe they might make.

Wrong!!

Club going really well, fans happy with a great win that sends us top. It must be time for another petty spat with the local radio, absolute madness!