Help to settle a lovers tiff....

Me & my boyf have an ongoing argument.... who are town's best couple of players. I say Mendonca & Bonetti, he says Joe Waters & Kev Moore are better.... please help me win the argument? Tell me you agree with me!!!!  

Quoted from maidenmariner

Me & my boyf have an ongoing argument.... who are town's best couple of players. I say Mendonca & Bonetti, he says Joe Waters & Kev Moore are better.... please help me win the argument? Tell me you agree with me!!!!  

Shouldn't you be getting the tea on?  

i'm affraid on what i've seen gary jones and reddy so i'm no help

Pouton & John McDermott

Waters mendonca

drinkell and kev moore

I agree with you.  

your two are better than his

Jamie Clark and Nick Colgan.

whymark and birtles

Nigel Batch and Joe Waters.

its not comparing like with like, but most of those on this thread would get in a Town post-war XI.

i wanna be first on this thread to mention Paul Groves.

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Pat Glover and Sid Wheelhouse.

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I win  

Quoted from maidenmariner

Me & my boyf have an ongoing argument.... who are town's best couple of players. I say Mendonca & Bonetti, he says Joe Waters & Kev Moore are better.... please help me win the argument? Tell me you agree with me!!!!  

Quite simple this one...just decide who needs what the most...do you need that shelf putting up more than he wants his putting up?
I reckon you will find he agrees with you after all.

Quoted from Les Brechin

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I've just made a mess of my pants.

Dave Boylen & Matt Tees

Quoted from maidenmariner

Me & my boyf have an ongoing argument.... who are town's best couple of players. I say Mendonca & Bonetti, he says Joe Waters & Kev Moore are better.... please help me win the argument? Tell me you agree with me!!!!  

I read the question as, which of these are the best two players? as it was to settle an argument,not who are the best two players.

It's difficult to say - most of the players mentioned have been good but we should keep it in perspective. Bonetti was an outstanding talent but his best years were in Italian football and I don't think we saw anything like his peak. Mendonca was a good, natural goalscorer but hardly top class. He was certainly very good for the level Town played at and his career finished not long after his move to Charlton so we probably can never be sure.
Joe Waters was a good, skilful midfielder - he was comfortable on the ball but, again, on a par with others of his time - Dave Boylen, Andy Peake and others. Kevin Moore was a fine, journeyman central defender - probably ranks alongside Paul Futcher and, possibly, Ron Cockerill as the best I have seen in that position. The question, however, was who are the best couple of players - not just those who have appeared during our years of watching.
There is no doubt in my mind that these would be Pat Glover and Jackie Bestall. Bestall captained Town throughout their days as a First Division team (when it really was the First Division) and was one of the few Town players to be capped by England whilst a Town player (England v N Ireland in 1935). This was an honour shared with Pat Glover who was capped 7 times by Wales whilst a Town player. Glover was an outstanding striker - on a par with any other player in Britain when he was at his best..
There is always a question against these players from the 1930s - would they match up to the top players of today? Well, it is true they would struggle if plucked out of time and dropped in to the professional football scene now. But, we have to remember they competed in and were amongst the best of the First Division of their time. If playing today they would be subject to current training regimes and lifestyle requirements and would have developed through a contemporary youth system and I believe they would be every bit as good now as they were then. Whilst I never saw them, my late father did and was well placed to compare them with the players of today and he certainly had no doubt they would excel in today's game as they did then.
DaveWSwaby..

Both you and your boyfriend have named good players. Not my best 2 but personal choice nothing wrong with either selection but for me your boyfriend has picked better

Didn't we have a cb that was capped by England Ted Buck or was Harry Betmead

Quoted from DaveWSwaby

It's difficult to say - most of the players mentioned have been good but we should keep it in perspective. Bonetti was an outstanding talent but his best years were in Italian football and I don't think we saw anything like his peak. Mendonca was a good, natural goalscorer but hardly top class. He was certainly very good for the level Town played at and his career finished not long after his move to Charlton so we probably can never be sure.
Joe Waters was a good, skilful midfielder - he was comfortable on the ball but, again, on a par with others of his time - Dave Boylen, Andy Peake and others. Kevin Moore was a fine, journeyman central defender - probably ranks alongside Paul Futcher and, possibly, Ron Cockerill as the best I have seen in that position. The question, however, was who are the best couple of players - not just those who have appeared during our years of watching.
There is no doubt in my mind that these would be Pat Glover and Jackie Bestall. Bestall captained Town throughout their days as a First Division team (when it really was the First Division) and was one of the few Town players to be capped by England whilst a Town player (England v N Ireland in 1935). This was an honour shared with Pat Glover who was capped 7 times by Wales whilst a Town player. Glover was an outstanding striker - on a par with any other player in Britain when he was at his best..
There is always a question against these players from the 1930s - would they match up to the top players of today? Well, it is true they would struggle if plucked out of time and dropped in to the professional football scene now. But, we have to remember they competed in and were amongst the best of the First Division of their time. If playing today they would be subject to current training regimes and lifestyle requirements and would have developed through a contemporary youth system and I believe they would be every bit as good now as they were then. Whilst I never saw them, my late father did and was well placed to compare them with the players of today and he certainly had no doubt they would excel in today's game as they did then.
DaveWSwaby..

Thanks for the pre-war insight! My Town knowledge mainly post mid-80s. Argument on best two players continues....

Quoted from Marinerz93

Pat Glover and Sid Wheelhouse.

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I win  

who could argue with Pat Glover.
if only some one could score 42 goals this season lol.
I'd take 30 goals to be honest lol.

Quoted from Meza

Didn't we have a cb that was capped by England Ted Buck or was Harry Betmead

A long way before my time - but yeah Harry Betmead. Crikey, imagine Hodgson picking a current GTFC player...

Mendonca and Bonneti would walk into any post war town team.
we have without doubt we have had better servants and some great local players ect but any manager would put these in the side.

Quoted from grimps

Mendonca and Bonneti would walk into any post war town team.
we have without doubt we have had better servants and some great local players ect but any manager would put these in the side.

Thank you! Any great arguments to put to my man welcomed!

my personalfavourites are donovan and jack lester who combined better than any 2 i have ever seen

Quoted from DaveWSwaby

. Kevin Moore was a fine, journeyman central defender - probably ranks alongside Paul Futcher and, possibly, Ron Cockerill as the best ..

WHAT ????????

Kevin Moore was Grimsby born and bred with 400 games for town before being transferred,

How can you say he was a journeyman ?

Gordon Walker and Butler......  

WHAT ????????

Kevin Moore was Grimsby born and bred with 400 games for town before being transferred,

How can you say he was a journeyman ?

Well, "Journeyman" was probably not the best choice of words.
He was a good player without setting the world on fire. A reliable, safe defender - one I rated very highly - but, in the context of the question, could hardly be said to be "the best". Before him were the greatest half backs in Town's history - Hall, Betmead and Buck - after him was Paul Futcher and Peter Handyside and Paul Groves who played a central defenders role towards the end of his career. I met Kevin after his playing days had ended when he was Stadium Manager at Fulham and he had very fond memories and words to say about Grimsby - he remembered us just as many of us remember him - a hard working, competent defender.
Perhaps "workman-like" would have been a better description - he was energetic, effective and solid. Admirable qualities in themselves - perhaps in short supply with the current team!  but they do not, in themselves, qualify as "the best".
DaveWSwaby

Far too many to choose from but I'd probably go with Mendonca & Ford

Quoted from grimsby pete

WHAT ????????

Kevin Moore was Grimsby born and bred with 400 games for town before being transferred,

How can you say he was a journeyman ?

Yes that made me laugh. The other bit about Mendonca not being top class was a bit silly, as well. Some good points made though.

If I could wave a magic wand and have either of the two pairings you mention, I would have to go with Mendonca and Bonetti. One a goal machine, the other the most brilliant provider we have had in recent years. The goals would flood in.

Joe Waters is my all time favourite player, but even he would not be able to match the Mendonca / Bonetti combination. It would be awesome.  

Quoted from RonMariner

If I could wave a magic wand and have either of the two pairings you mention, I would have to go with Mendonca and Bonetti. One a goal machine, the other the most brilliant provider we have had in recent years. The goals would flood in.

Joe Waters is my all time favourite player, but even he would not be able to match the Mendonca / Bonetti combination. It would be awesome.  

If Clive had stayed fit that season there would have been no broken jaw for Ivan and we'd have gone up: wonder where we'd be now if that had happened?

Joe Waters was a class act but in my 35 years following Town the standout player for me was Paul Futcher it was a priveledge to watch him play his carear out at Town.All the other players mentioned above are rightly worth a shout and it is all about opinions but the trio of Whymark,Birtles and Futcher all proved to be master strokes by the Town management and such a shame that in the modern era that type of player no longer drops down the Leagues.

Your right it's not easy so many good players

From what I've seen inc loanees

Gk - Coyne
LB - Jobling
RB - McDermott
CB - Futcher
CB - Todd
CM - Groves
CM - Cunnington
LM - Gilbert
RM - Oster
ST - Mendonca
ST - Birtles

Interesting that my team sheet is based around AB successful spell

Quoted from Meza

Your right it's not easy so many good players

From what I've seen inc loanees

Gk - Coyne
LB - Jobling
RB - McDermott
CB - Futcher
CB - Todd
CM - Groves
CM - Cunnington
LM - Gilbert
RM - Oster
ST - Mendonca
ST - Birtles

Interesting that my team sheet is based around AB successful spell

Although before many of us Town spent 12 seasons in the top flight, finishing 5th one season.  Some of those players deserve a mention.

Quoted from Gary Haddock

who could argue with Pat Glover.
if only some one could score 42 goals this season lol.
I'd take 30 goals to be honest lol.

Without doubt Town's greatest striker