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Meza
August 20, 2012, 9:08pm

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Didn't we have a cb that was capped by England Ted Buck or was Harry Betmead


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August 21, 2012, 4:17pm
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It's difficult to say - most of the players mentioned have been good but we should keep it in perspective. Bonetti was an outstanding talent but his best years were in Italian football and I don't think we saw anything like his peak. Mendonca was a good, natural goalscorer but hardly top class. He was certainly very good for the level Town played at and his career finished not long after his move to Charlton so we probably can never be sure.
Joe Waters was a good, skilful midfielder - he was comfortable on the ball but, again, on a par with others of his time - Dave Boylen, Andy Peake and others. Kevin Moore was a fine, journeyman central defender - probably ranks alongside Paul Futcher and, possibly, Ron Cockerill as the best I have seen in that position. The question, however, was who are the best couple of players - not just those who have appeared during our years of watching.
There is no doubt in my mind that these would be Pat Glover and Jackie Bestall. Bestall captained Town throughout their days as a First Division team (when it really was the First Division) and was one of the few Town players to be capped by England whilst a Town player (England v N Ireland in 1935). This was an honour shared with Pat Glover who was capped 7 times by Wales whilst a Town player. Glover was an outstanding striker - on a par with any other player in Britain when he was at his best..
There is always a question against these players from the 1930s - would they match up to the top players of today? Well, it is true they would struggle if plucked out of time and dropped in to the professional football scene now. But, we have to remember they competed in and were amongst the best of the First Division of their time. If playing today they would be subject to current training regimes and lifestyle requirements and would have developed through a contemporary youth system and I believe they would be every bit as good now as they were then. Whilst I never saw them, my late father did and was well placed to compare them with the players of today and he certainly had no doubt they would excel in today's game as they did then.
DaveWSwaby..


Thanks for the pre-war insight! My Town knowledge mainly post mid-80s. Argument on best two players continues....

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August 21, 2012, 4:23pm

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Pat Glover and Sid Wheelhouse.

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who could argue with Pat Glover.
if only some one could score 42 goals this season lol.
I'd take 30 goals to be honest lol.


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August 21, 2012, 4:27pm
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Didn't we have a cb that was capped by England Ted Buck or was Harry Betmead


A long way before my time - but yeah Harry Betmead. Crikey, imagine Hodgson picking a current GTFC player...
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August 21, 2012, 5:14pm
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Mendonca and Bonneti would walk into any post war town team.
we have without doubt we have had better servants and some great local players ect but any manager would put these in the side.
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August 21, 2012, 5:46pm
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Mendonca and Bonneti would walk into any post war town team.
we have without doubt we have had better servants and some great local players ect but any manager would put these in the side.


Thank you! Any great arguments to put to my man welcomed!
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my personalfavourites are donovan and jack lester who combined better than any 2 i have ever seen
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. Kevin Moore was a fine, journeyman central defender - probably ranks alongside Paul Futcher and, possibly, Ron Cockerill as the best ..


WHAT ????????

Kevin Moore was Grimsby born and bred with 400 games for town before being transferred,

How can you say he was a journeyman ?



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WHAT ????????

Kevin Moore was Grimsby born and bred with 400 games for town before being transferred,

How can you say he was a journeyman ?

Well, "Journeyman" was probably not the best choice of words.
He was a good player without setting the world on fire. A reliable, safe defender - one I rated very highly - but, in the context of the question, could hardly be said to be "the best". Before him were the greatest half backs in Town's history - Hall, Betmead and Buck - after him was Paul Futcher and Peter Handyside and Paul Groves who played a central defenders role towards the end of his career. I met Kevin after his playing days had ended when he was Stadium Manager at Fulham and he had very fond memories and words to say about Grimsby - he remembered us just as many of us remember him - a hard working, competent defender.
Perhaps "workman-like" would have been a better description - he was energetic, effective and solid. Admirable qualities in themselves - perhaps in short supply with the current team!  but they do not, in themselves, qualify as "the best".
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