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Not sure when this is going to be released but hopefully by Monday.
Lots of Rumours on who will be offered terms but I really hope Hume isn’t offered a deal or Green from that starting line-up.
We need a massively overhaul of the whole squad and, dare I say it, maybe some additional coaching staff.
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I would love to see the two up top not retain the Manager because I have no confidence in the bloke but think this is a forlorn hope  |
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Not sure when this is going to be released but hopefully by Monday.
Lots of Rumours on who will be offered terms but I really hope Hume isn’t offered a deal or Green from that starting line-up.
We need a massively overhaul of the whole squad and, dare I say it, maybe some additional coaching staff.
Green has already triggered an appearance related extra year hasn't he? |
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Not sure when this is going to be released but hopefully by Monday.
Lots of Rumours on who will be offered terms but I really hope Hume isn’t offered a deal or Green from that starting line-up.
We need a massively overhaul of the whole squad and, dare I say it, maybe some additional coaching staff.
Not sure why you have red crosses post is spot on. If we want a better team we need better than the two mentioned plus another seven or eight. |
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I would love to see the two up top not retain the Manager because I have no confidence in the bloke but think this is a forlorn hope
At least give it a rest until be lose to Barton rovers 4-0 on ploggers mid July ffs |
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At least give it a rest until be lose to Barton rovers 4-0 on ploggers mid July ffs
That's where Mr Chaos will be taking us. That's me last word on him for now mate. |
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That's where Mr Chaos will be taking us.
That's me last word on him for now mate.
Let's put some context on it.....Hurst came in November, brought in 11 players in January, we got relegated. Artell came in November, brought in 5 players, we stayed up... The team artell took over was Hursts, and its an absolute bag of excrement at that, at least Artell did what Hurst couldn't, and for me, that puts credit in the back for Artell, at the moment anyway. |
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I blame Hurst and bully Doig for everything.
It's not going terribly well for them at the Shrews with fans complaining of turgid football. Now that rings a bell. |
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Holohan already going and he is better than the majority of players in the squad albeit in the twilight of his career. I'm expecting wholesale changes. Only 8 are contracted next season and even some of them may be made available for transfer or release.
Having watched the Crawley game, it's Mullarkey, Rodgers, Tharme, Thompson (make captain), Vernam, Clifton and Rose. On the fence with Maher. Then a complete reset.
Injection of pace, creativity, leadership, quality and young hungry talent to take the team forward into a new era.
Think it says how the season has gone that the most I've been excited all season is for Monday to find out who's leaving then hopefully an exciting transfer window.
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Holohan already going and he is better than the majority of players in the squad albeit in the twilight of his career. I'm expecting wholesale changes. Only 8 are contracted next season and even some of them may be made available for transfer or release.
Having watched the Crawley game, it's Mullarkey, Rodgers, Tharme, Thompson (make captain), Vernam, Clifton and Rose. On the fence with Maher. Then a complete reset.
Injection of pace, creativity, leadership, quality and young hungry talent to take the team forward into a new era.
Think it says how the season has gone that the most I've been excited all season is for Monday to find out who's leaving then hopefully an exciting transfer window.
I can name at least 12 who are under contract….. |
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I've been excited BEFORE the start of every match.
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On another note, I believe that only one (as well as Gardner) of the 2nd year youths is getting a pro contract.
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Wasn't including the Gardner, Khouri's of the squad but the senior members
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Here's what I think is required...
Under Contract for 2024/25- Keep
4 Kieran Green
5 Harvey Rodgers
6 Curtis Thompson
10 Charles Vernam
12 Jake Eastwood
24 Doug Tharme
28 Toby Mullarkey
30 Evan Khouri
32 Danny Rose
35 Cameron Gardner
Under Contract for 2024/25- Make Available for Transfer
9 Rekeil Pyke
25 Donovan Wilson
29 Alex Hunt
Out of Contract- Offer New Deal
16 Callum Ainley (maybe a 6-month deal with an option for the rest of next season?)
Out of Contract- Release
3 Anthony Driscoll-Glennon
7 Abo Eisa
8 Gavan Holohan
14 Arthur Gnahoua
15 Harry Clifton
22 Danny Amos
31 Niall Maher
33 Denver Hume
34 Aaron Braithwaite
37 Harvey Tomlinson
38 Jamie Bramwell
39 Edwin Essel
Loanees returning to parent clubs
1 Harvey Cartwright
2 Liam Smith
18 Harry Wood
19 Jamie Andrews
20 Justin Obikwu
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Here's what I think is required...
Under Contract for 2024/25- Keep
4 Kieran Green
5 Harvey Rodgers
6 Curtis Thompson
10 Charles Vernam
12 Jake Eastwood
24 Doug Tharme
28 Toby Mullarkey
30 Evan Khouri
32 Danny Rose
35 Cameron Gardner
Under Contract for 2024/25- Make Available for Transfer
9 Rekeil Pyke
25 Donovan Wilson
29 Alex Hunt
Out of Contract- Offer New Deal
16 Callum Ainley (maybe a 6-month deal with an option for the rest of next season?)
Out of Contract- Release
3 Anthony Driscoll-Glennon
7 Abo Eisa
8 Gavan Holohan
14 Arthur Gnahoua
15 Harry Clifton
22 Danny Amos
31 Niall Maher
33 Denver Hume
34 Aaron Braithwaite
37 Harvey Tomlinson
38 Jamie Bramwell
39 Edwin Essel
Loanees returning to parent clubs
1 Harvey Cartwright
2 Liam Smith
18 Harry Wood
19 Jamie Andrews
20 Justin Obikwu
Pretty much agree with all that, but I'd be looking to offer Hume a new deal too, seen glimpses that he has quality, and let's not forget he'd been out in the wilderness for a while before we signed him |
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Here's what I think is required...
Under Contract for 2024/25- Keep
4 Kieran Green
5 Harvey Rodgers
6 Curtis Thompson
10 Charles Vernam
12 Jake Eastwood
24 Doug Tharme
28 Toby Mullarkey
30 Evan Khouri
32 Danny Rose
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Under Contract for 2024/25- Make Available for Transfer
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25 Donovan Wilson
29 Alex Hunt
Out of Contract- Offer New Deal
16 Callum Ainley (maybe a 6-month deal with an option for the rest of next season?)
Out of Contract- Release
3 Anthony Driscoll-Glennon
7 Abo Eisa
8 Gavan Holohan
14 Arthur Gnahoua
15 Harry Clifton
22 Danny Amos
31 Niall Maher
33 Denver Hume
34 Aaron Braithwaite
37 Harvey Tomlinson
38 Jamie Bramwell
39 Edwin Essel
Loanees returning to parent clubs
1 Harvey Cartwright
2 Liam Smith
18 Harry Wood
19 Jamie Andrews
20 Justin Obikwu
Inclined to agree with you on that, I think definitely Pyke and Wilson is earmark as players under contract who should be moved on, I think it was plain to see early on that Pyke wasn’t going to work out, baffled we signed a striker who had scored 9 league goals since 2016 and even more baffled Hurst gave him a two year deal, Rodgers, Green and Clifton I’m all on the post with really, I can see both sides of the argument with them. Khouri has shown glimpses of promise but then he’s now 21 and he hasn’t played all that much in the 4 seasons he’s been in the squad, so a decision needs to be made about how he fits in. Agree on Ainley, he’s showed enough I think for a short term deal. I think a big reset is needed, we’ve gone from having a very good squad of players a couple of years ago to almost having another terminal disaster. Whoever we let go and bring in. It nerds do be done with the highest due diligence by Artell and the club. We can’t afford another season like this and we certainly can’t afford to give out contracts like candy that then tie us in with players who aren’t good enough to get the job done at this level. |
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So he gave him a vote of confidence back in January? Oh yeah, because when that happens every contract in football is honoured until it expires. |
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Despite watching Town since the late 80s, I have come to the realisation that I know sod all about football. I suspect it is because I was a rubbish player. So the below is probably balderdash.
The only playes that I have noticed as decent, are Rose (obviously), Mullarkey (since they changed his position) and Tharme (nearly always solid).
I'll probably get pelters for this, but the rest where underwhelming, including Clifton, sadly. Maybe Eastwood, given his youth, should be retained as second fiddle, as he did OK really at the end of the season.
Again, person who knows nothing about football alert, but I'm convinced much of it was psychological ; as a team they had the feeling of somehow having convinced themselves that they were clinging on and defeat was imminent. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the squad went elsewhere into more confident teams and started to shine.
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Despite watching Town since the late 80s, I have come to the realisation that I know sod all about football. I suspect it is because I was a rubbish player. So the below is probably balderdash.
The only playes that I have noticed as decent, are Rose (obviously), Mullarkey (since they changed his position) and Tharme (nearly always solid).
I'll probably get pelters for this, but the rest where underwhelming, including Clifton, sadly. Maybe Eastwood, given his youth, should be retained as second fiddle, as he did OK really at the end of the season.
Again, person who knows nothing about football alert, but I'm convinced much of it was psychological ; as a team they had the feeling of somehow having convinced themselves that they were clinging on and defeat was imminent. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the squad went elsewhere into more confident teams and started to shine.
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Id be telling Rodgers he’s free to go. He’s been absolutely pants. He proved yesterday and throughout the season he cant play in a 4, and he’s not exactly glowed in the 5
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Id be telling Rodgers he’s free to go. He’s been absolutely pants. He proved yesterday and throughout the season he cant play in a 4, and he’s not exactly glowed in the 5
I think he’s looked OK in a 5 but totally agree in a 4, he misjudges a hell of a lot and you don’t get away with that as a CB in a back 4. |
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Id be telling Rodgers he’s free to go. He’s been absolutely pants. He proved yesterday and throughout the season he cant play in a 4, and he’s not exactly glowed in the 5
Agree about him playing in a 4 but from the games I saw he was OK in a 5. That said if he moved on wouldn’t bother me and I tend to agree with those who would like to see Ryan Bennett return. We badly lack leadership and experience and he has both and seem to recall he was Captain here when he was 19. I’ve also said previously that sometimes the problem with defenders is the midfield in front of them and maybe if we had a half decent midfield some of our defenders might look a bit more capable. |
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I think he’s looked OK in a 5 but totally agree in a 4, he misjudges a hell of a lot and you don’t get away with that as a CB in a back 4.
Not pretending to know anything but if he comes, a back 5 with Ryan Bennett will need two quicker defenders alongside him - for that reason, I think the three under contract will be kept and Maher won't. |
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The jury is still out on Rodgers for me, he’s had brilliant matches but then a lot where he’s looked very shaky. I think Mullarkey has actually improved a lot this season and thought was one of the better players yesterday, would be interesting to see how a CB pairing of Mullarkey and Tharme would work in a back 4.
I think the new ‘model’ that has been talked about involves playing a back 4 and because of that I’m not convinced we will see any CB signings in the summer, I think Maher will be released and then any defensive signings will be at full back, whether that’s Hume, Smith or others.
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I want to like Mullarkey but get the feeling he doesn’t really give a excrement and is more interested in his social media and fitness career. Ok player but not the sort of mentality we want imo.
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I want to like Mullarkey but get the feeling he doesn’t really give a excrement and is more interested in his social media and fitness career. Ok player but not the sort of mentality we want imo.
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I want to like Mullarkey but get the feeling he doesn’t really give a excrement and is more interested in his social media and fitness career. Ok player but not the sort of mentality we want imo.
Sort of mentality? He got released from Crewe and left the professional game at 21 and fought his way back into the EFL at 27 after 5 and a half years. That never give up attitude is fairly impressive IMHO, |
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The jury is still out on Rodgers for me, he’s had brilliant matches but then a lot where he’s looked very shaky. I think Mullarkey has actually improved a lot this season and thought was one of the better players yesterday, would be interesting to see how a CB pairing of Mullarkey and Tharme would work in a back 4.
I think the new ‘model’ that has been talked about involves playing a back 4 and because of that I’m not convinced we will see any CB signings in the summer, I think Maher will be released and then any defensive signings will be at full back, whether that’s Hume, Smith or others.
There’s absolutely no chance we start the season with just the three centre backs that are currently contracted for next season. We will sign at least one. |
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The jury is still out on Rodgers for me, he’s had brilliant matches but then a lot where he’s looked very shaky. I think Mullarkey has actually improved a lot this season and thought was one of the better players yesterday, would be interesting to see how a CB pairing of Mullarkey and Tharme would work in a back 4.
I think the new ‘model’ that has been talked about involves playing a back 4 and because of that I’m not convinced we will see any CB signings in the summer, I think Maher will be released and then any defensive signings will be at full back, whether that’s Hume, Smith or others.
The new model isn't about dictating exactly how we play or what formation we must play, it's about playing on the front foot and not changing system to nullify the opposition. Instead, we are looking to exploit the opposition, so the flexibility is there to change the system, except it's for a different reason to what we have been used to. There is a time and a place for nullifying the opposition, but it shouldn't be what we do every week. |
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Rodgers looks good with the ball on the deck , knocking it around well . Not so sure of him in the air . Misjudged Orsi goal badly . I’d be looking to have him as backup.
I was hoping we’d keep Hume when he first signed but not so sure with recent performances. Definitely worth looking for other options before offering him a contract. He has been out for a long time before he signed though so suppose he’s still on the road back to his peak .
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The jury is still out on Rodgers for me, he’s had brilliant matches but then a lot where he’s looked very shaky. I think Mullarkey has actually improved a lot this season and thought was one of the better players yesterday, would be interesting to see how a CB pairing of Mullarkey and Tharme would work in a back 4.
I think the new ‘model’ that has been talked about involves playing a back 4 and because of that I’m not convinced we will see any CB signings in the summer, I think Maher will be released and then any defensive signings will be at full back, whether that’s Hume, Smith or others.
I agree about Rodgers but he seems to do better in a back 3 and since Tharme arrived. Mullharkey definitely looks more comfortable in that set up, but I think we need at least 1 more CB next season, 2 if Maher doesn’t get a deal. Full back is the big challenge, Hume looks like he can attack & get in behind but defensively he doesn’t look muck of an upgrade to Glenno. Smith is ok to be honest but as Cheltenham are coming down he may be back in their plans. |
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Id be telling Rodgers he’s free to go. He’s been absolutely pants. He proved yesterday and throughout the season he cant play in a 4, and he’s not exactly glowed in the 5
I'd agree about not being comfortable with Rodgers in a back 4. I also think that despite the widely accepted view of Tharme being a good signing and a consistent performer, that he may struggle in a back 4 too. Time will tell with that one as I accept we haven't really seen much of him in a back 4. |
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I'd agree about not being comfortable with Rodgers in a back 4.
I also think that despite the widely accepted view of Tharme being a good signing and a consistent performer, that he may struggle in a back 4 too. Time will tell with that one as I accept we haven't really seen much of him in a back 4.
I was thinking the same. Sounds like we want to play with a 4 which is a bit worrying with the players that we have. Saying that though confidence is such a massive thing in football. Also vital that the midfielder is better and offers more cover. |
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The only defenders we have who I think are good enough for a play off competitive team are Tharme and Hume, and maybe Smith. In my opinion. I’d try to move all the others on. I can’t see any of the young pros being good enough and I’d include Khouri.
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Staggered how many of these release lists include Wilson, as if we’ve not learnt from the other 10 times we’ve released people with a half decent goal scoring records.
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The only defenders we have who I think are good enough for a play off competitive team are Tharme and Hume, and maybe Smith. In my opinion. I’d try to move all the others on. I can’t see any of the young pros being good enough and I’d include Khouri.
Rodgers & Mullarkey have been rock solid for the final quarter of the season and both had good starts in a town shirt too. Not sure why we’d get rid of them only to have to sign multiple unknown quantities all over again. |
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I agree about Rodgers but he seems to do better in a back 3 and since Tharme arrived.
Mullharkey definitely looks more comfortable in that set up, but I think we need at least 1 more CB next season, 2 if Maher doesn’t get a deal.
Full back is the big challenge, Hume looks like he can attack & get in behind but defensively he doesn’t look muck of an upgrade to Glenno. Smith is ok to be honest but as Cheltenham are coming down he may be back in their plans.
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Rodgers & Mullarkey have been rock solid for the final quarter of the season and both had good starts in a town shirt too. Not sure why we’d get rid of them only to have to sign multiple unknown quantities all over again.
Our opinions differ. I know they are both rated by staff, I personally don’t think they’re consistent enough, but what do I know compared to them? |
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Staggered how many of these release lists include Wilson, as if we’ve not learnt from the other 10 times we’ve released people with a half decent goal scoring records.
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Re: Wilson…
He nearly went to Crawley in January before the replacement we had lined up didn’t happen and we pulled the deal.
I have no doubt he’ll depart over the summer.
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That’s not the story Artell tells. Someone’s pants are on fire, but we’ll never find out who
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Re: Wilson…
He nearly went to Crawley in January before the replacement we had lined up didn’t happen and we pulled the deal.
I have no doubt he’ll depart over the summer.
We didn't pull the deal at all, why you making excrement up, it was a last minute grasp on Crawleys part to get Wilson but they failed to file the paperwork, Artell didn't want him to leave but wasn't prepared to stop him as he didn't expect Wilson to be getting many minutes with us. |
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That’s not the story Artell tells. Someone’s pants are on fire, but we’ll never find out who
Well Artell could hardly come out and say the truth could he? "Yeah, we didn't want him anymore and agreed he could go to Crawley but his replacement fell through at the last minute so we're stuck with him until the end of the season." |
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Would’ve made more sense than “Crawley came in that afternoon but didn’t get their paperwork done in time, I said he could go with no replacement but I’m glad he’s staying” which he went with.
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We didn't pull the deal at all, why you making excrement up, it was a last minute grasp on Crawleys part to get Wilson but they failed to file the paperwork, Artell didn't want him to leave but wasn't prepared to stop him as he didn't expect Wilson to be getting many minutes with us.
Have a day off. Do you think we'd allow Wilson to leave without a replacement coming in? That would have left us with Rose, Pyke and Obikwu as our only senior forwards. The idea we'd let Wilson go without a proper replacement is actually laughable. We missed out on a National League striker on deadline day. |
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Hopefully not Smith or Hume. Both are not good enough,
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Smith is decidedly average. He’s quite slow, struggles with any sort of ideas when he reaches the opponents half, gets so far and pivots, plays a backwards/sidewards ball and fails to put a cross in the majority of times he finds himself in a good position. If he’s good enough for League Two, Cheltenham will want to keep him now they’ve been relegated won’t they? Probably not is the answer and that’s another reason why I don’t think we should sign him.
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Smith is decidedly average. He’s quite slow, struggles with any sort of ideas when he reaches the opponents half, gets so far and pivots, plays a backwards/sidewards ball and fails to put a cross in the majority of times he finds himself in a good position. If he’s good enough for League Two, Cheltenham will want to keep him now they’ve been relegated won’t they? Probably not is the answer and that’s another reason why I don’t think we should sign him.
Hume is a liability; that’s both with his discipline and his decision making. Often loses the ball in dangerous positions because he tries to do too much, leaving us exposed. He is of a very similar mould to Glennon but without the dead ball delivery. He only wanted 6 months to put himself in the shop window so hopefully he gets snapped up by someone else.
With respect, you do understand that we are a lowly league 2 team and our chances of getting the next Dennis Irwin and Roberto Carlis is quite slim. It's all well and good having delusions of grandeur and high expectations but in reality, Smith and Hume are both more than capable at our level. Hume, I believe, has more to offer and Smith has proven that he's a bloody good defender, its no coincidence that since he came in very few crosses got in the box from the right hand side, personally I'd not be disappointed if we signed them both. |
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With respect, you do understand that we are a lowly league 2 team and our chances of getting the next Dennis Irwin and Roberto Carlis is quite slim.
It's all well and good having delusions of grandeur and high expectations but in reality, Smith and Hume are both more than capable at our level.
Hume, I believe, has more to offer and Smith has proven that he's a bloody good defender, its no coincidence that since he came in very few crosses got in the box from the right hand side, personally I'd not be disappointed if we signed them both.
They aren’t delusions of grandeur and I firmly believe we can do better. Just my opinion and I respect everyone will have their own too but you won’t ’convince me’ that they’re good additions. My point still stands about Smith, if he’s good enough the. Cheltenham will want to keep him? We need to start looking for players that come with a winning mentality and if that’s from the NL, then fair enough. We started last season with so many players arriving with a losing mentality and it didn’t take many games to revert to type. The cleaner the slate for this next season, the better!! |
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Smith is decidedly average. He’s quite slow, struggles with any sort of ideas when he reaches the opponents half, gets so far and pivots, plays a backwards/sidewards ball and fails to put a cross in the majority of times he finds himself in a good position.
Hume is a liability; that’s both with his discipline and his decision making. Often loses the ball in dangerous positions because he tries to do too much, leaving us exposed. else.
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They aren’t delusions of grandeur and I firmly believe we can do better. Just my opinion and I respect everyone will have their own too but you won’t ’convince me’ that they’re good additions.
My point still stands about Smith, if he’s good enough the. Cheltenham will want to keep him?
We need to start looking for players that come with a winning mentality and if that’s from the NL, then fair enough. We started last season with so many players arriving with a losing mentality and it didn’t take many games to revert to type. The cleaner the slate for this next season, the better!!
It's not necessarily so that if Smith is good enough then Cheltenham will keep him. He might not fit into their managers playing style for their preferred League 2 approach. How many players have we let go who have then gone on to succeed at another club, often at the same level or higher. Orsi is one example. |
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2 questions 1) what's Smith done wrong as he's looked pretty competent when I've seen him?
and b) who's the NL striker that fell through on 31.1?
1) can we not aim for better than “pretty competent”? 2) I’m not sure “fell through” is the right term. A number of clubs were in for him and he went elsewhere on a long contract considering we was untested above the NL. |
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Staggered how many of these release lists include Wilson, as if we’ve not learnt from the other 10 times we’ve released people with a half decent goal scoring records.
I find this bizarre too. I think Wilson will be released/allowed to leave this summer, but that's just a feeling. Something just seems as though DW and DA aren't on the same wavelength, no evidence for it just a gut feeling. That said, I'd be of a mind of keeping him. His overall play isn't consistently as high as Danny Rose but he has had moments where he's shown a nice touch, a clever pass, some neat finishing and we also got a glimpse of what he can do from range. Considering he has 8 goals with inconsistent playing time I'm surprised people want rid. It's not hugely dissimilar to Orsi last summer. Many valued his work ethic and contribution overall to the team but cited if we wanted to progress we needed strikers who could score goals and his past record of one season in the NL where he scored a few was not sufficient enough and we should find better. Skip forward 10 months and those same people are saying it was a huge mistake to let Orsi go. Few would have predicted the success he would go on to have at Crawley and we could all speculate about whether his time here would have been different with a better run in the team. I think we have someone similar in DW. Although I'd keep him - and in contrast to my argument that a consistent run might yield more from him - I'd still be looking for someone that would be considered ahead of him in the pecking order. I'd be surprised if we could get someone in to replace Danny Rose, he's almost certain to be leading our line next season unless of any issues of his own he has but I think someone to fit between him and DW would be welcome. |
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There needs to be a realisation that next season we can only afford a mix of good (Rose & Thompson level, Chas if fit) and competent, with a % swing to the latter I suspect.
That said if we haven't got agreements in principle for replacement for some of the lads out of contract we may see them in a town shirt again.
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Think Wilson could be an option as an impact striker from the bench, Clifton should be more effective around better players and should also be offered new terms. Hume and Smith, we can definitely improve on and add pace to the side in the process.
I do feel we need a new GK, new RB, LB, another CB (commanding leader type with a bit of pace) 2 x CM's with some creativity and flair, a direct pacey winger and another Striker to partner Rose. So thats 8 new players for the starting 11 then there's the supporting squad players also.
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There needs to be a realisation that next season we can only afford a mix of good (Rose & Thompson level, Chas if fit) and competent, with a % swing to the latter I suspect.
That said if we haven't got agreements in principle for replacement for some of the lads out of contract we may see them in a town shirt again.
Nobody on here knows what we can or can’t afford. Even then, the budget is no real indicator of what will happen next year. Stockwood said last week (somewhere, might’ve been Humberside) there’s a correlation in this division between playing budget and league position after £4m - as in if you’re budget is over £4m, you tend to finish in the top spots. Below that figure there’s no real correlation and it’s everyone for themselves. In that sense, what is competence? |
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Wilson: I’d say he’s actually improved a great deal under Artell. Maybe that’s to prove something to him or so he can get a contract elsewhere. PH left us very depleted in the forward line and any long term injury to Rose and we’d be looking at playing Tamworth on Boxing Day.
Possible replacement : Josh Kayode/Alex Samuel
Hume: someone has mentioned before that he was last seasons Josh Emmanuel. I liked the way he played personally so would hope a contract was offered, as is the same with smith.
Pyke, Maher, glennon, Eisa, gnahoua can’t honestly see them being offered anything with us.
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Wilson: I’d say he’s actually improved a great deal under Artell. Maybe that’s to prove something to him or so he can get a contract elsewhere. PH left us very depleted in the forward line and any long term injury to Rose and we’d be looking at playing Tamworth on Boxing Day.
Possible replacement : Josh Kayode/Alex Samuel
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Pyke, Maher, glennon, Eisa, gnahoua can’t honestly see them being offered anything with us.
Pyke doesn’t need anything offering, he’s got another year. Although I agree, I’d assume DA will want to move him on. I just wonder with him, though, could he a do a good job as a wing-back / fullback? |
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Is the list being published on a set day, or are player negotiations still taking place?
I presume that the annual contracts usually finish a good bit after the season ends to take other team play offs into sccount. No that it worries us for that scenario.
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Is the list being published on a set day, or are player negotiations still taking place?
I presume that the annual contracts usually finish a good bit after the season ends to take other team play offs into account. No that it worries us for that scenario.
In his post match interview, DA said the retained list could be released 'Monday afternoon, Tuesday morning or Wednesday morning' (his words) Interesting to hear that he said he was down in London on Friday and then 'a couple of places the week after.......to watch matches'. Could they be play off teams he will be watching for potential signings? Maybe over into Scandinavia? The Sweden, Norway and Finland football seasons only started this month, so prime time to check out some players. |
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In his post match interview, DA said the retained list could be released 'Monday afternoon, Tuesday morning or Wednesday morning' (his words)
Interesting to hear that he said he was down in London on Friday and then 'a couple of places the week after.......to watch matches'. Could they be play off teams he will be watching for potential signings? Maybe over into Scandinavia? The Sweden, Norway and Finland football seasons only started this month, so prime time to check out some players.
Am sure there’s still a few seasons that run well into June/July and Scandinavia is one of those. Also league of Ireland, states/canada, Australia, latvia, Belarus, Armenia and Japan/China are showing on good old wiki. But, some of them are probably women’s/junior leagues |
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Glennon gone.
I might spend every weekend for 9 months calling fųck out the players and they make me miserable almost every time I watch them, but it is a bit sad when some of them go, particularly the young lads who never quite made it as a regular.
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In his post match interview, DA said the retained list could be released 'Monday afternoon, Tuesday morning or Wednesday morning' (his words)
Interesting to hear that he said he was down in London on Friday and then 'a couple of places the week after.......to watch matches'. Could they be play off teams he will be watching for potential signings? Maybe over into Scandinavia? The Sweden, Norway and Finland football seasons only started this month, so prime time to check out some players.
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Confirmed where? Not surprised TBH.
On his Instagram pal. |
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Will be interesting where Glennon ends up . I thought he never fully recaptured his form from the first loan spell second time around , and looked to struggle badly against any sort of pace - I suppose the writing was on the wall after being withdrawn early doors against Notts after the roasting from Nemane .
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On his Instagram pal.
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think Eisa has gone as well
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think Eisa has gone as well
I know we have to report on these, but the likes of Eisa and Glennon are stating the bleeding obvious. Surely nobody expects either of them to be offered terms? Personally I like Glennon, but DA doesn’t pick him. And Eisa has shown his real qualities in the last 6 months, and there’s nothing to admire there. There have certainly been no shocks so far. |
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think Eisa has gone as well
I suppose the only one's now out of contract that are up in the air will be Clifton , Maher and Green (the latter potentially has some sort of contract trigger option, going off here ) . Assuming Khan & Amos and Arthur are released I guess the only other possible shocks could be 'players made available for transfer' . |
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Glennon gone
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Genuinely gutted about this…
(Whilst understanding why)
I know you’re a fan of his, and so am I. I get why he’s been released, but i just wish he’d been given a chance as a wide midfielder. |
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Maher has commented on a few of the lads leaving posts but hasn't announced anything himself... makes me think he's been offered a new deal
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I wonder if the club haven't been able to speak to everyone yet, but the retained list becomes pointless if the club don't issue it quickly as many of the players have broke the news for us.
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Maher has commented on a few of the lads leaving posts but hasn't announced anything himself... makes me think he's been offered a new deal
I could see the argument for Maher, decent last season. Had his struggle this year. If we only had Tharme here next year I think you’d keep Maher and look to bring in another two alongside them. However we’ve got Rodgers and Mullarkey at the club, unless they’re moving on I just don’t think I there’s room considering we really do need to improve in a number of areas and that is certainly one of them. |
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I know you’re a fan of his, and so am I. I get why he’s been released, but i just wish he’d been given a chance as a wide midfielder.
Agree mate. He certainly has issues defensively but in a decent team, two good centre back, more of the ball and pushing further up I think his ability on the ball far, far out weighs it. Shame but it is what it is. It’s a case of thanks for everything and best of luck for the future. |
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Maher has commented on a few of the lads leaving posts but hasn't announced anything himself... makes me think he's been offered a new deal
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We definitely need to upgrade the defence. With Mullarkey and Rodgers contracted, Maher being out of contract would make him the natural choice to depart.
If he weren’t under contract, I would have happily let Rodgers go as he terrifies me as part of a two.
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I’d be happy to see the entire defence gone ( except Doug ) it’s almost like we can’t change shape cos these lads can’t adapt and can only play one way, and even the way they can play is questionable.
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We definitely need to upgrade the defence. With Mullarkey and Rodgers contracted, Maher being out of contract would make him the natural choice to depart.
If he weren’t under contract, I would have happily let Rodgers go as he terrifies me as part of a two.
I hope we see better from Rodgers , like a Rob Jones second season . When we signed him Accrington fans talked like it was the second coming of Maldini arriving but apart from early doors and as part of a back 5 later on he's looked anything but . |
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Really surprised to see Bramwell go. Thought he looked a real prospect.
It's a big step up from youth to professional football and think a lot of these lads need longer than a year to prove they're capable. I know finances dictate a lot of what we can do but there's a reason the top clubs don't offer 1-year-contracts to their Academy graduates and make decisions before their 19th birthday.
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The Mariners have taken the option to extend Kieran Green’s contract and conversations are still on-going with Harry Clifton, Denver Hume and Callum Ainley.
We can confirm that Harvey Cribb has been offered his first one-year professional contract with the club and Charlie Clements has been offered a third-year apprenticeship.
The following players have been released:
Harvey Tomlinson
Edwin Essel
Aaron Braithwaite
Jamie Bramwell
Niall Maher
Anthony Glennon
Abo Eisa
Arthur Gnahoua
Gavan Holohan
Otis Khan
Danny Amos
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Good luck to all who are going. In particular thanks to Gav and Amos
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Dont think we should be offering contracts to Green, Clifton or Hume and hopefully the following contracted players have also been told if they wish to find another club they can...
Rodgers
Wilson
Pyke
Hunt
Never easy to get rid of so many players, due to the financials of it all, but hopefully we see more gone in the summer than whats on the released list.
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of course dissapointed to see Gav and Amos depart after what they've offered.
I've said prior I dont think Clifton or Green are good enough, but Manager makes the decisions and we'll have to see if they sign
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Dont think we should be offering contracts to Green, Clifton or Hume and hopefully the following contracted players have also been told if they wish to find another club they can...
Rodgers
Wilson
Pyke
Hunt
Never easy to get rid of so many players, due to the financials of it all, but hopefully we see more gone in the summer than whats on the released list.
Far too much of a professional outfit to say (like other clubs have) this group have been told they are welcome to find a new Club - though I suspect some of them will have. Disappointed with Hum and Green, will accept Clifton but would love to see Ainley stay. Midfield has been our weakest area, yet it looks like we are retaining most of them! 😡 |
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Still gonna be a lot of players that aren’t good enough in the squad. If everyone signs, I think that’s 16 under contract?
So you’re probably looking at 7 or 8 signings max or the squad gets too big. Hopefully most of those are to go straight into the starting 11. Obviously unless more go anyway.
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Dont think we should be offering contracts to Green, Clifton or Hume and hopefully the following contracted players have also been told if they wish to find another club they can...
Rodgers
Wilson
Pyke
Hunt
Never easy to get rid of so many players, due to the financials of it all, but hopefully we see more gone in the summer than whats on the released list.
Why would you get rid of Wilson? 8 goals from limited starts is not a bad return. I suspect Pyke may well be off anyway which would allow us to bring in another striker and have Rose, Wilson, Gardner and another. |
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I’d be happy to see the entire defence gone ( except Doug ) it’s almost like we can’t change shape cos these lads can’t adapt and can only play one way, and even the way they can play is questionable.
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No big shocks there.
Thanks go to all 16 players that have left the club. You have done a job for us, and for that we are grateful.
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Far too much of a professional outfit to say (like other clubs have) this group have been told they are welcome to find a new Club - though I suspect some of them will have.
Disappointed with Hum and Green, will accept Clifton but would love to see Ainley stay.
Midfield has been our weakest area, yet it looks like we are retaining most of them! 😡
We can only hope they have because they are not good enough, simple as. I can slightly understand the Green one as I would like to think he would be a cheap back up. Concerned if Artell has him in his mind as being in the first 11 though. Clifton needs a change of scene now. Forget all the sentiment of he's one of our own. We need better. Ainley I would suggest deserves another crack after all he's gone through. |
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Personally think Clifton moving on would be a good thing for all parties. However, I can see why a manager might give a local player, who can play multiple positions and runs himself into the ground a contract.
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No surprises, perfectly fine with everybody who has gone and all those offered new deals. If your bench has Clifton & Green on it most weeks and there’s better on the pitch starting the game then I’m happy enough with that.
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In Artell I trust but that isn't thorough enough a clear out for me. Still retaining players (unless they are being quietly transfer listed) who are inconsistent or not good enough. Hopefully he gets the right players in and we are not so reliant on loans.
What position is Cribb?
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Why would you get rid of Wilson? 8 goals from limited starts is not a bad return. I suspect Pyke may well be off anyway which would allow us to bring in another striker and have Rose, Wilson, Gardner and another.
7 league goals in fact... However, my reasonings would be: Too injury prone... Not in the squad 16 times this season (mostly due to injury) and also only able for cameos after these injurys. Misses far too many chances in a game. Wanted out in January, so shows his heart is not in being in Grimsby. Fully believe he will probably go back down South and bang in 20 next season haha |
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I thought Green was sub par but DA has improved him noticeably.
I’d still rather have better central midfielders but get the impression that staff see that Green is ‘coachable’ to become better in terms of positioning, decision making and in turnovers and transitions. His mobility, energy, physical strength and commitment and his not insignificant ‘leap’/aerial ability might make him worth persevering with as a squad player at age 26 in my view.
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The announcement lists those players under contract. It doesn’t mean they will all be here in August.
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I can’t see that JS and AP are that likely to sanction reducing his salary, but wouldn’t be surprised if his offer was 1 year.
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I'll never write a player off after a bad season as we've experienced first hand what can happen when a player is in a better team i.e Luke Waterfall and Terry Taylor. We've seen what Harry is capable of in a good team, there's been an improvement in Kieran Green in recent weeks so clearly Artell rates him and I imagine he's a big presence in the dressing room.
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7 league goals in fact...
However, my reasonings would be:
Too injury prone... Not in the squad 16 times this season (mostly due to injury) and also only able for cameos after these injurys.
Misses far too many chances in a game.
Wanted out in January, so shows his heart is not in being in Grimsby.
Fully believe he will probably go back down South and bang in 20 next season haha
You’re more than entitled to your opinion re Wilson, he’s obviously dividing opinion but saying he misses far too many chances in a game is absolute nonsense. One game (Newport) he missed 3 chances, I’m hard pushed to think of any other sitters he missed before that. |
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Don't mind any of these players becoming squad players as long as we attempt to upgrade the starting eleven. Does slightly concern me that we will be retaining nearly all our central midfielders? not much scope to improve there?
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Clifton is the sort of player you want on the bench. Able to play in a few positions and will bring energy towards the end of a tiring game. It's a slightly niche role with fewer opportunities to impress the fans, but a very useful role.
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It really doesnt matter if certain players are still under contract
#*#*cough cough Hunt*#*#
but not deemed good enough, as he can easily be shipped out on a season long loan, which will then see out his contract. Job done, thankyou and goodbye.
Several of the team, who started the season playing well, but then slowly took a nose dive in ability, and reliability, probably had everything they knew trained out of them by PH and CD, but DA seems to have instilled a bit of confidence and natural ability back into some of the team again, specifically the back line, BUT it also helps that they have someone like Doug Tharme to be there to encourage and help them too.
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Following the conclusion of the 2023-24 campaign, Grimsby Town Football Club can confirm the retained and released list.
The following players are under contract for the 2024-25 season:
Jake Eastwood
Toby Mullarkey
Harvey Rodgers
Doug Tharme
Evan Khouri
Curtis Thompson
Charles Vernam
Donovan Wilson
Rekeil Pyke
Danny Rose
Alex Hunt
Cameron Gardner
The Mariners have taken the option to extend Kieran Green’s contract and conversations are still on-going with Harry Clifton, Denver Hume and Callum Ainley.
We can confirm that Harvey Cribb has been offered his first one-year professional contract with the club and Charlie Clements has been offered a third-year apprenticeship.
The following players have been released:
Harvey Tomlinson
Edwin Essel
Aaron Braithwaite
Jamie Bramwell
Niall Maher
Anthony Glennon
Abo Eisa
Arthur Gnahoua
Gavan Holohan
Otis Khan
Danny Amos
All on-loan players have also returned to their parent clubs:
Liam Smith (Cheltenham Town)
Jamie Andrews (West Bromwich Albion)
Harvey Cartwright (Hull City)
Harry Wood (Hull City)
Justin Obikwu (Coventry City)
We would like to wish all the players leaving Blundell Park the best for their futures and thank them for their services while with the club.
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I will add on to the Wilson debate, 99% of the chances he creates himself. In a better side, he will score a lot of goals.
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It really doesnt matter if certain players are still under contract
#*#*cough cough Hunt*#*#
but not deemed good enough, as he can easily be shipped out on a season long loan, which will then see out his contract. Job done, thankyou and goodbye.
Several of the team, who started the season playing well, but then slowly took a nose dive in ability, and reliability, probably had everything they knew trained out of them by PH and CD, but DA seems to have instilled a bit of confidence and natural ability back into some of the team again, specifically the back line, BUT it also helps that they have someone like Doug Tharme to be there to encourage and help them too.
I think 24/25 might be something special (and by special I mean finish higher than 21st)
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In Artell I trust but that isn't thorough enough a clear out for me. Still retaining players (unless they are being quietly transfer listed) who are inconsistent or not good enough. Hopefully he gets the right players in and we are not so reliant on loans.
What position is Cribb?
Not sure how you can not retain players who have a contract... For me the list is about right it's a decent enough base to start with, probably 1 or 2 will be looked to be moved on if possible, gives plenty of scope for improvements all over the pitch whilst also realising you cannot just rip 12 contracts up and start again. Either economically, practically or just as good practice that isn't possible. |
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7 league goals in fact...
However, my reasonings would be:
Too injury prone... Not in the squad 16 times this season (mostly due to injury) and also only able for cameos after these injurys.
Misses far too many chances in a game.
Wanted out in January, so shows his heart is not in being in Grimsby.
Fully believe he will probably go back down South and bang in 20 next season haha
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Depending on the chosen formation for next season of the retained squad I would only see Rose, Thompson and Tharme as players I would be happy with starting every game. A case for Vernam but I’ve seen nothing this season to think he’s not still totally inconsistent throughout a ninety minute period and he doesn’t affect the outcome of matches often enough.
Given midfield has been a major problem for us I am alarmed that we seem to want to retain the vast majority. I accepted the argument put forward last week, by Chaos, that Clifton’s versatility and fitness makes him an asset on the bench but to maintain Green is a mistake. Hard to form an opinion on Ainley but for his age he has extensive experience at this level and we’re now all aware he can see a pass, however, not seen enough of him to know if he’s a true midfielder or someone who just plays behind the front players.
Don’t see Hume as any improvement on Glennon and he lacks Glennon’s ability on dead ball situations.
What we don’t know of course is how many of the retained squad have been told to look elsewhere, given Pyke has hardly ever appeared under DA there has to be a strong possibility he will be moving on.
Hopefully the summer signings will mean the majority on here become back up and that better players coming in will bring the best out of those that keep their place in the team.
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It’s been mentioned that with Clifton in the squad, it fills one of the places that HAVE to be filled with a home grown player. Last season we all know wasn’t his best, but look how many positions he covered. These 2 reasons alone make him a worthwhile asset. Then you add his work rate into the equation.
Last season was way below his ability even I reckon he knows that, but the season before, he was one of the first names on the team sheet.
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Sad to see Gav and Maher go as always gave there all, also don't understand extending Greens contract as has limited ability at this level. Not sure on whether there planning on Extending Hume's stay or whether they just not had chance to speak to him yet but think we can do better.
Although still contracted could see Pyke and Hunt being told they are free to leave.
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You’re more than entitled to your opinion re Wilson, he’s obviously dividing opinion but saying he misses far too many chances in a game is absolute nonsense.
One game (Newport) he missed 3 chances, I’m hard pushed to think of any other sitters he missed before that.
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Clifton is an interesting one for me. He puts in 100% effort which cannot be faulted. Effort makes up a little for lack of skill etc but I was told recently by a GTFC staff member that, "his second touch is a tackle".
I think we can get better. Hurst may fancy him at Shrewsbury for his workrate and flexibility. If he stays with us, it would be interested to know on what deal (not that I expect to find out), as he has a close family tie to JS.
Would there be any pressure on whoever agrees the contracts from JS to offer a better deal than he is worth? Or does JS agree the contracts himself?
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It’s been mentioned that with Clifton in the squad, it fills one of the places that HAVE to be filled with a home grown player. Last season we all know wasn’t his best, but look how many positions he covered. These 2 reasons alone make him a worthwhile asset. Then you add his work rate into the equation.
Last season was way below his ability even I reckon he knows that, but the season before, he was one of the first names on the team sheet.
The home grown player rule isn’t how you seem to understand it. The home grown player rule is that 8 “home grown” players have to be include in the club’s 25-man squad and 6 in a match day squad. But home grown refers to any player of any nationality that went developed at an FA affiliated club(s) for 3 years prior to their 21st birthday.. So it’s not club specific. More or less every member of GTFC’s squad last season would have counted as a home grown player. There is a separate club developed player rule which is that 1 player from a match day squad had to have been developed by the club. To qualify a player must have been at the club for 36 months between their 15th and 21st birthdays. |
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I thought we were supposed to be giving our younger players time to develop? Braithwaite and Bramwell have been our most promising buy released. We've offered Cribb a one year deal which really isn't enough time for a youngster to develop.
If Clifton leaves, our only academy graduates with any first team experience are Gardner and Khouri. As has been mentioned, the matchday squad must contain a youth graduate.
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It is always sad when our youth players are not given a chance and then released.
From what I have seen both Braithwaite and Bramwell are competent players.
Artell has a reputation for giving youth a chance, yet in the last game, he preferred to give 2 loan players time on the pitch in preference to our 2 youth players.
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It is always sad when our youth players are not given a chance and then released.
From what I have seen both Braithwaite and Bramwell are competent players.
Artell has a reputation for giving youth a chance, yet in the last game, he preferred to give 2 loan players time on the pitch in preference to our 2 youth players.
Maybe says it all then surely...? |
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Hagrid,
What was your level of football?
Sunday League 6?
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Hagrid,
What was your level of football?
Sunday League 6?
Played for the County, Scored Against Derbyshire, highest level I got too. Doesnt mean i cant point out the obvious, you might think we should have kept the lads on, manager doesnt, he knows best none of the young kids we've released over the last few years have gone on to prove the club wrong |
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I imagine it’s pretty difficult bringing capable young players through to the first-team at League Two-level. Either the young lads in question have got a reasonable shot at a career in the professional game, and they get hoovered up at a young age (often before they even hit their teens), or they’re not, and they get released before achieving meaningful game time.
Off the top of my head I can only think of three players in the last 25 years whereby we’ve blooded a youngster for a significant number of games who have gone on to have a proper career in the EFL or above; Bennett, Clifton and Pollock, and two of those only came to us having been let go by clubs higher up in the food chain.
No doubt there have been deficiencies and under-investment in our youth set-up over a long period of time, but it’s a difficult sweet-spot to hit; good enough for us, but seemingly not good enough for those above us. To that end, I give you Harry Clifton.
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Not just saying this because he's a family friend and Skegness lad, but I was really surprised that 2nd year scholar and youth team captain Billy Bradley wasn't given a pro contract. The youth team had a really good season on the pitch considering the tragedy that occurred off it. Especially with the progress they made in the FA Youth Cup. And Billy was a big part of that as the skipper.
Given to understand that it wasn't Woodsie or Callum that decided not to give him a contract.
Gutted for the lad, because I know his history and have watched him progress as a player from being a small boy that used to play in our garden with my own kids. It's the tough world of progressing as a footballer, and often those decisions come down to the opinion of someone. And as we have seen many times in football, the opinions of people don't always mean that someone isn't going to succeed. And those opinions and decisions are not always the right decisions. But someone has to make them.
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It is always sad when our youth players are not given a chance and then released.
From what I have seen both Braithwaite and Bramwell are competent players.
Artell has a reputation for giving youth a chance, yet in the last game, he preferred to give 2 loan players time on the pitch in preference to our 2 youth players.
Then surely he'll know whether they can make it or not? What's the point of paying players to go out on loan to Grimsby Borough? |
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He needs to continue to believe in his abilities.
De Bruyne and Salah were rejected by Chelsea.
McAtee was considered lazy by Scunny.
Perseverance is the key.
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Played for the County, Scored Against Derbyshire, highest level I got too.
Doesnt mean i cant point out the obvious, you might think we should have kept the lads on, manager doesnt, he knows best
none of the young kids we've released over the last few years have gone on to prove the club wrong
That's true, but I don't think Harry Clifton would have been heard of had he been released at a young age. It is basically a lottery which as ever depends on so many different factors. The Youth set up is one area which I expect to benefit from the implementation of a set playing style throughout the club, which means a particular type of player will be nurtured with a view to eventually make the first team. We live in hope anyway. |
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That's true, but I don't think Harry Clifton would have been heard of had he been released at a young age. It is basically a lottery which as ever depends on so many different factors.
The Youth set up is one area which I expect to benefit from the implementation of a set playing style throughout the club, which means a particular type of player will be nurtured with a view to eventually make the first team. We live in hope anyway.
Don't get me wrong, we'd all love to see the youth coming through, But you would think with Artell's background, he will know if one of them is worth taking a chance on. |
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The other thing to consider is the position of the club to be able to blood the youngsters, so to speak.
Gardner made his debut a few minutes from the end when we were 3-0 up against Salford and this was at a time where we were mid-table(ish) with thoughts of looking upwards and not another relegation battle. His next appearance was against Crawley, in a meaningless game when we were safe.
On the other hand, in our must-win Swindon game, they played three teenagers, including a 16 year old defender!
If you're pushing for promotion, you're unlikely to take the risk of playing youngsters. If you're fighting against relegation, you're not going to take many risks, so it is always going to be difficult for young players to get a chance unless you're really, really good, or you've got nothing to play for near the end of the season.
Bramwell looked capable enough in his few minutes on the pitch against Swindon, but he's gone now, so you'd have to assume it is down to what is seen in training. It would be nice for one or two of these young lads to be able to battle their way back into professional football, but it's not easy, especially as there aren't really any clubs a level or two below us close by who might give them a chance. Clee Town is 4 tiers below us which is a long, long way from professional football.
Are Scunny looking for some young players? They are a bit closer...
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I think we need to either commit to bringing through the youth or not. 1 year contracts for an 18 year old seems to be a half-hearted attempt to look like we’re trying.
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It is always sad when our youth players are not given a chance and then released.
From what I have seen both Braithwaite and Bramwell are competent players.
Artell has a reputation for giving youth a chance, yet in the last game, he preferred to give 2 loan players time on the pitch in preference to our 2 youth players.
And what’s that tell you? Well, it says that our academy cohorts are not feeding the first team in any effective way, and hasn’t for some time, and that needs to change. |
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He needs to continue to believe in his abilities.
De Bruyne and Salah were rejected by Chelsea.
McAtee was considered lazy by Scunny.
Perseverance is the key.
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The romanticist in me loves the idea of blooding a team of young players developed in the youth academy having been scouted playing for local grassroots teams. I've spent years coaching young players and my measure of success isn't how many games we win but how many players go on to play at a better level of football than Sunday League. The correlation between the attitude of parents in grassroots and fans of professional football teams is quite similar. It doesn't matter what the performances are like as long as you're winning. Parents assume that the winning team is the one that is well coached and will help their child, which often isn't the case. Fans want to get behind young players and give them their chance but they best take it quickly because if they don't perform and they hinder results then they're quickly deemed not good enough. It's already been mentioned here but any players in a L2 youth setup who demonstrate a level of ability that might propel them into the first team picture ahead of time to meet the demands of the game are inevitably snapped up from above. With increased competition at all levels of the league structure as a result of better scouting, better training facilities and methods, better data  the room for young players to come through and hit the ground running is growing smaller I think, and at Grimsby it's not something we've excelled at in the same way as teams like Crewe have. If this forum is anything to go by, more so when you see the harsh judgements of the squad and the demand that players are able to deliver on the pitch, would we not be setting a double standard if we lowered that expectation and reserved criticism just because of them being home grown? Is it ok to critique Jamie Andrews who is a young developing lad but from another club, but say it's ok for Khouri because he's one of ours? We'd all love to see OUR young players come through but the reality is it's a high ceiling that is only raising giving the improving standards above and at the same level so as much as we and the club would like it I don't see it becoming a staple part of our ethos any time soon, sadly. |
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I think we need to either commit to bringing through the youth or not. 1 year contracts for an 18 year old seems to be a half-hearted attempt to look like we’re trying.
I think it is important from a community aspect - getting youngsters and their families switched on to GTFC but otherwise I do agree. You need to have the relative pace, physicality and a good mentality to get anywhere near a first team squad, and ability, and a lot of that is only known at the very late teen/early 20's ages which is just one of many reasons they are released. Sometimes you get an exceptional player who is always destined for the first team but its not very often. |
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He needs to continue to believe in his abilities.
De Bruyne and Salah were rejected by Chelsea.
McAtee was considered lazy by Scunny.
Perseverance is the key.
Salah and De bruyne both told mourinho that they didn’t want to wait for first team football and decided to leave. Their decision seems justified to do so but how many have gone down that path and never reached their potential. |
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Initial disappointment with the released is only really Bramwell as I thought he looked promising......
The ongoing talks I think we could do without in all honesty.
and I wouldn't be suprised if some of the retained list turned into left by mutual or transfer requested
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This forum is mainly about opinions and that is where the problem with the youth set up lies. As pointed out the youth team did well this year but some of their numbers were not deemed good enough, an opinion by the decision maker.
We all have our opinions on whom should go and who we should offer terms to but at the end of the day there is only one opinion that counts. That of David Artell.
Love him or hate him he is the man entrusted by 1878 to push the Mariners up the table. So all we can do is back him, his judgement and his opinion.
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This forum is mainly about opinions and that is where the problem with the youth set up lies. As pointed out the youth team did well this year but some of their numbers were not deemed good enough, an opinion by the decision maker.
We all have our opinions on whom should go and who we should offer terms to but at the end of the day there is only one opinion that counts. That of David Artell.
Love him or hate him he is the man entrusted by 1878 to push the Mariners up the table. So all we can do is back him, his judgement and his opinion.
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Pretty much what was to be expected.
Sad to see Glennon, Amos and Maher go. They've played a big part in some real success. Maher is the one that I think is a really decent player, hasn't hit form this year, but we've had a struggling defence all season. I think Crocombe leaving had a massive effect on both the confidence and performance of our defence.
Pleased to see Hume offered a deal, think he might get a better offer, he's looked alright having not had regular footie for a while. He's good going forward and has good pace, he'll get better if he stays.
Hope Harry signs, think he's unappreciated and his contribution is grossly underrated. Not hit the heights of the last two seasons, but never let anyone down.
Obviously sad to see Gav go but he's his own thread.
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Not just saying this because he's a family friend and Skegness lad, but I was really surprised that 2nd year scholar and youth team captain Billy Bradley wasn't given a pro contract. The youth team had a really good season on the pitch considering the tragedy that occurred off it. Especially with the progress they made in the FA Youth Cup. And Billy was a big part of that as the skipper.
Given to understand that it wasn't Woodsie or Callum that decided not to give him a contract.
Gutted for the lad, because I know his history and have watched him progress as a player from being a small boy that used to play in our garden with my own kids. It's the tough world of progressing as a footballer, and often those decisions come down to the opinion of someone. And as we have seen many times in football, the opinions of people don't always mean that someone isn't going to succeed. And those opinions and decisions are not always the right decisions. But someone has to make them.
What are you inferring here? Artell when questioned by Radio Humberside recently on offering professional contracts to youth team players was very clear that the decisions were made collectively between all the coaches. Obviously they might not all individually agree on which youth players are offered a pro contract, but this just sounds like excrement stirring. |
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Two members of my family represented their country at youth level and in my biased opinion could have progressed further but found the transition from being a very good player as a youth to being a good player as a potential professional was a big jump and demands an awful amount of commitment which unfortunately some lads just don’t have. We really have to go back to the Ford, Wilkinson,Moore era to see a transition from youth to first team as far as local talent is concerned which is disappointing and at the present time we only have Harry who is ‘one of our own’.
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Now the dust has settled a little I can honestly say that the only departure that has disappointed me is Gav. Anyone at Morecambe away, when he missed a sitter that would have won us the game, saw what it meant to him at the final whistle. He was distraught and left the field almost immediately. Its not very often you get players that care that much for his club and team mates.
Sentimentality can't come into it when budgets are tight and you need to build a newish squad and I fully get that. I'm sure it wasn't easy either not offering him a contract. I think he will be missed on and off the field and thank him for some memorable moments.
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I actually think that most of the players did genuinely care. A combination of ability and questionable coaching is the reason we finished were we did. As much as I respect and thank Gav for his contribution to the GTFC cause we need better if we don’t want to be circling the relegation drain next season.
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Now the dust has settled a little I can honestly say that the only departure that has disappointed me is Gav. Anyone at Morecambe away, when he missed a sitter that would have won us the game, saw what it meant to him at the final whistle. He was distraught and left the field almost immediately. Its not very often you get players that care that much for his club and team mates.
Sentimentality can't come into it when budgets are tight and you need to build a newish squad and I fully get that. I'm sure it wasn't easy either not offering him a contract. I think he will be missed on and off the field and thank him for some memorable moments.
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There's no(t much) room for sentiment in the professional game.
Holohan has done a good job for us and scored some important goals, but his race is run after this season. Not involved enough when we aren't in possession and has just missed too many chances this season which could have made up for that. He'll do a decent job somewhere else for a few seasons yet, though possibly not in the League.
It will interesting to see which way we go this summer. Young, up and comers or a bit more experience? A mixture of both is probably best, but it would be nice to have a young loanee or two from a higher division club who really kicked on and made themselves indispensable. A Paterson-type to play alongside Rose would be amazing. Yes, I know, probably too much to hope for.
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There's no(t much) room for sentiment in the professional game.
Holohan has done a good job for us and scored some important goals, but his race is run after this season. Not involved enough when we aren't in possession and has just missed too many chances this season which could have made up for that. He'll do a decent job somewhere else for a few seasons yet, though possibly not in the League.
It will interesting to see which way we go this summer. Young, up and comers or a bit more experience? A mixture of both is probably best, but it would be nice to have a young loanee or two from a higher division club who really kicked on and made themselves indispensable. A Paterson-type to play alongside Rose would be amazing. Yes, I know, probably too much to hope for.
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Still got the most assists in the entire side though.
Yeah, but worked out at assists per minute he’s behind both Glennon (assist every 306 minutes) and Green (assist every 408.5 minutes). Gav had an assist every 416.3 minutes). *technicaly Callum Ainley is top but he only played 96 minutes all season. |
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Nice to see all departing players got their legends certificate before leaving.
The club have a positive ethos about the place, despite nasty social media
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In reality, there wasn’t much flex available in the decision-making. As per DA on DN35 we are already having to bring in 11 or 12. I agree with the decisions made. Maher is a bit unlucky but had to be released if we want to bring in a first choice CB. I suspect the data supported Hume being offered over Glennon. Glennon’s level of fitness has looked poor right from the start at Mansfield, whilst I’m not yet fully convinced by Hume he looks the better athlete. Gav has his own thread because he’s been an outstanding Mariner, but time is right for him to move on - perhaps York, maybe back to Pools or even Boston if they beat Brackley. Eisa a no brainer.
So that really just leaves the Green and Clifton decisions. If we think about formation options in basic terms - 5-3-2, 4-3-3 and 4-4-2, both have a key squad role in 2 out of 3 of these. Harry as a WB in the 5 or as a wide player shoring up one side in a 4-4-2. Green on the bench or starter if we have injuries in both the 3s in midfield. Retention of either doesn’t prejudice bringing a first choice WB, winger or CM, we’d only have recruit more players for squad depth if they were released.
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It's strange to think that at the end of the season there's no disagreement about Eisa leaving. Again, we cite the need for goals and creativity yet the guy who's our second top goalscorer is released to much fanfare.
If I were the manager, and knowing how I like to play I would have kept him as he'd suit what I like. Obviously DA doesn't think he'll suit and I think that became evident in how he seemed to do little when we were out of possession. When the team is doing well that kind of player is ok, when you're having to dig in you can't afford passengers and I think that's what we've all seen and base our conclusion on.
There's something almost humorous in that if you'd have said in October that we'll be releasing Eisa in the summer there'd have been riots. Skip 6 months and no-one really cares much for him. Certainly shows how quickly things can change in football.....
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It's strange to think that at the end of the season there's no disagreement about Eisa leaving. Again, we cite the need for goals and creativity yet the guy who's our second top goalscorer is released to much fanfare.
If I were the manager, and knowing how I like to play I would have kept him as he'd suit what I like. Obviously DA doesn't think he'll suit and I think that became evident in how he seemed to do little when we were out of possession. When the team is doing well that kind of player is ok, when you're having to dig in you can't afford passengers and I think that's what we've all seen and base our conclusion on.
There's something almost humorous in that if you'd have said in October that we'll be releasing Eisa in the summer there'd have been riots. Skip 6 months and no-one really cares much for him. Certainly shows how quickly things can change in football.....
A bit of basic research by opposition coaching has all that has been required to close off his only real contribution the 20 yarders. He’s a passenger when we are out of possession, in possession he doesn’t work hard enough to find space or anticipate where to make to the right runs into space. Since the early games he’s only been anything like effective against the schoolboy defending of Notts. |
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Someone mentioned sending young players to Scunthorpe for game time. I think that is a good idea. NLN is a higher standard of football then you would get at Clee Town or GY Borough, and the Scunts will probably need players once their budget is slashed. So it is an arrangement that possibly could suit both clubs.
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I too have mixed feelings about Eisa. We have to trust Artell's judgement and there are obviously reasons he hasn't featured much in recent months, but he certainly provided some great moments early in the season. I swear that goal against Mansfield was gathering more speed as it rocketed past the goalkeeper into the top corner. Fantastic strike! Anyone who can do that definitely has ability. It will be interesting to see where he ends up.
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Eisa has a rocket of a right foot. No denying that. Right, that’s the positives out of the way.
His negatives are that he’s greedy, lazy, never picks the right pass, doesn’t work hard, and his form since DA arrived has been non-existent. If he’d played every game during our run-in, we’d have probably not picked up as many points as we did, as our survival very much hung on a roll-your-sleeves-up attitude, as nothing else was working.
He’ll go somewhere else, blow the fans away for a few weeks, then they’ll work him out.
He just hasn’t been the same since the TV game at Bradford. He was on fire before then, but he came up against that ginger fullback of theirs who obviously knew his game inside out, and he had him in his pocket all game. He was completely ineffectual. Rinse and repeat for the next 35 games.
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Someone mentioned sending young players to Scunthorpe for game time. I think that is a good idea. NLN is a higher standard of football then you would get at Clee Town or GY Borough, and the Scunts will probably need players once their budget is slashed. So it is an arrangement that possibly could suit both clubs.
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Bringing two themes of this forum together, the lack of new contracts for young professionals possibly adds even further weight behind having someone like Clifton in the building.
Clearly you're only going to get more than a year upon graduating from the youth set up if you're an outstanding talent who would be trusted to play in a meaningful game (Gardner). Not an approach I agree with, but I get it. Their isn't the finances to give two-year deals out to the likes of Bramwell, who might not be able to contribute to the first team in a meaningful way just yet.
That's all dictated by finances and pressure for results. You can understand why this season we've had the likes of Danny Amos, Michee Efete, Arthur Gnahoua et al. in and around the squad as they're capable of coming in as and when needed. Might not be first choice, might not be spectacular but they're capable in their respective positions. But it's very much a 'just in case' basis. As and when they're not used, they become expensive wastes. That's money that could, in theory be used for extra years for Bramwell and Braithwaite to develop for another year.
A Clifton type, who can cover multiple positions might just offset the need for that back up right-back on £800 a week. Arguably it also justifies the use of loan players from other Academy set-ups as they'll most likely be cheap and able to fill the squad.
Personally I'd like to see a greater commitment to youth graduates beyond a year. They don't all develop fully at 18/19, in fact it's few and far exceptions as to those that do. I also think it would be a big appeal to those who come here a bit later in their youth development, like Gardner and before him Mattie Pollock. In the age of 7 subs I think you've always got space for a couple of kids and opportunites to blood them at the end of games. But I also 100% get the 'safer' use of the budget and squad spaces for the here and now. Sometimes though you've gotta bite the bullet and commit to that source of players.
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We need to stop loaning and developing other clubs young players and trust our own process and the players coming through. Have any of our young loan signings recently been miles better than the boys we already have? I would argue not. Give our own lads a chance
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Difficult to develop young players here with no reserve team football or u23 matches.. most of the loans our players get are at Clee or Grimsby Boro which are great developing loans at 17/18 but after that they really need a NL North club minimum
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Unfortunately we aren't in any position to be developing players over a number of years, we need players who can come in and be competitive in L2 now to ensure we can remain in this division. The luxury of developing young players over years is for clubs competing in the top 2 divisions that have the cash available to dedicate to finding good young players. We don't have the luxury to keep passengers or keep rolling the dice on a local lad that made the fringes of the first team or goes out on loan 3 divisions below and doesn't make an impression. Any major talent we do develop will probably be gobbled up by larger clubs long before they are ready for first team football.
It's a nice little dream to have a team of local lads who have a strong connection to the town and shirt but it's not a realistic one. I get that people want their friend's kids/grandkids or their mates from school in the team as they have a personal connection and they probably provide them with all the inside information they want to hear, taking a pragmatic look though it's obvious that most aren't good enough and the ones that might be have not cracked on and taken their chance to develop fast enough. Very few kids make it in football, clubs get a really quick turnover of kids all wanting to go pro and 99.7% are probably never going to be good enough or will get released and have to work their way up in non-league.
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We need to stop loaning and developing other clubs young players and trust our own process and the players coming through. Have any of our young loan signings recently been miles better than the boys we already have? I would argue not. Give our own lads a chance
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They gave Gardner a three year deal so the money is there if they think the player has potential.
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Unfortunately we aren't in any position to be developing players over a number of years, we need players who can come in and be competitive in L2 now to ensure we can remain in this division. The luxury of developing young players over years is for clubs competing in the top 2 divisions that have the cash available to dedicate to finding good young players. We don't have the luxury to keep passengers or keep rolling the dice on a local lad that made the fringes of the first team or goes out on loan 3 divisions below and doesn't make an impression. Any major talent we do develop will probably be gobbled up by larger clubs long before they are ready for first team football.
It's a nice little dream to have a team of local lads who have a strong connection to the town and shirt but it's not a realistic one. I get that people want their friend's kids/grandkids or their mates from school in the team as they have a personal connection and they probably provide them with all the inside information they want to hear, taking a pragmatic look though it's obvious that most aren't good enough and the ones that might be have not cracked on and taken their chance to develop fast enough. Very few kids make it in football, clubs get a really quick turnover of kids all wanting to go pro and 99.7% are probably never going to be good enough or will get released and have to work their way up in non-league.
I may be wrong but I believe the idea is to bring in 'Conteh' type players, develop them and sell them on for a nice profit. I'd much prefer we develop our own youth but as stated in this thread it takes too long, we haven't any competitive leagues ( U23, reserve etc fixtures ) for them to progress through. Sorry to say, and I don't like it, but gone are the days when we developed the More's, Drinkall, Ford and many others. It's a totally different scenario these days. |
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You can only develop your young players if they are going to be good enough. The EPPP means that the big clubs can steal all the most promising players for a song, so smaller clubs such as ourselves have a youth set up to just hope that one or two late developers will emerge as capable players once in a while. Also keeping community involvement as well, of course. The days of bringing through several youngsters to become regulars are probably long-gone.
Most of those with the potential are already at the big clubs and they tend to work their way down the leagues until they reach a level at which they are capable of playing. Unfortunately, this also means that you have the likes of Obikwu who is highly-rated but, at present, really looks clueless in men's football much of the time. I'm sure Academy football for the clubs in the top couple of tiers is very pleasing on the eye with some good skills and tip-tap passing, but there's a difference between that and getting flattened by a brick shithouse of a League Two central defender as you attempt to play the ball.
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How come we used to have youth players lie Ford, Kev and Dave Moore, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund and others?
Has the youth set up failed recently or were we just incredibly lucky to have that much talent coming through?
And how on earth did we miss Glenn Cockerill?
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I see this cited all the time that 'we need players to come straight in and be competitive' as a reason why we can't bring some younger lads in for a game or two every now and again or even for small parts of games.
We've seen literally 100s of mature pro's through our revolving door of a squad over the last 20 years many of which have proven time and time again to be uncompetitive at league 2 level. Yet some go on to make 50, 60, 70 odd games for us. We've also seen maybe a couple of dozen lads from u23 teams further up the food chain who have mostly been uncompetitive.
Given the above I'm not sure the gradual inclusion of one or two of our prospects over a couple of seasons has much of a barrier to entry, if after a couple of seasons it doesn't work out, same as any player, part ways.
There seems little point to the current method of a one year deal and 0 to less than five appearances though.
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How come we used to have youth players lie Ford, Kev and Dave Moore, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund and others?
Has the youth set up failed recently or were we just incredibly lucky to have that much talent coming through?
And how on earth did we miss Glenn Cockerill?
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Two members of my family represented their country at youth level and in my biased opinion could have progressed further but found the transition from being a very good player as a youth to being a good player as a potential professional was a big jump and demands an awful amount of commitment which unfortunately some lads just don’t have. We really have to go back to the Ford, Wilkinson,Moore era to see a transition from youth to first team as far as local talent is concerned which is disappointing and at the present time we only have Harry who is ‘one of our own’.
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Abo Eisa released by Town. Mo Eisa released by MK Dons. 31 goals in 101 games isnt too bad a scoring record.
Can we sign him then we dont need to change shirt numbers or names.
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Not just saying this because he's a family friend and Skegness lad, but I was really surprised that 2nd year scholar and youth team captain Billy Bradley wasn't given a pro contract. The youth team had a really good season on the pitch considering the tragedy that occurred off it. Especially with the progress they made in the FA Youth Cup. And Billy was a big part of that as the skipper.
Given to understand that it wasn't Woodsie or Callum that decided not to give him a contract.
Gutted for the lad, because I know his history and have watched him progress as a player from being a small boy that used to play in our garden with my own kids. It's the tough world of progressing as a footballer, and often those decisions come down to the opinion of someone. And as we have seen many times in football, the opinions of people don't always mean that someone isn't going to succeed. And those opinions and decisions are not always the right decisions. But someone has to make them.
Less than 1% of the academy make it pro. It's a brutal system and it makes you wonder how our academy can compete with some of these organisations which hoover up "potential" youngsters from 3rd world countries, sift the "weak" ones out on a daily basis, and sell the better ones on for a profit. I'm glad I became an engineer. |
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How come we used to have youth players lie Ford, Kev and Dave Moore, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund and others?
Has the youth set up failed recently or were we just incredibly lucky to have that much talent coming through?
And how on earth did we miss Glenn Cockerill?
It also needs a Manager who will take a gamble, the two have to combine. Alex Fergusson had a crop of them, and was prepared to gamble on them. Perhaps our short-termism in keeping Managers makes them reluctant to gamble. Who knows if the Class of 92 players would have made it elsewhere if not for Sir Alex. |
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Paul Emson got missed as well - and managed to get spotted at Brigg Town by Derby - Tony Ford makes reference to him in his book.
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It also needs a Manager who will take a gamble, the two have to combine.
Alex Fergusson had a crop of them, and was prepared to gamble on them. Perhaps our short-termism in keeping Managers makes them reluctant to gamble.
Who knows if the Class of 92 players would have made it elsewhere if not for Sir Alex.
100%. Artell isn’t in a position to gamble, but you could argue the same for 95% of EFL managers. Fans and owners will not wait for results. Unless we gamble on an U23/ reserve team, we will always have this problem |
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How come we used to have youth players lie Ford, Kev and Dave Moore, Drinkell, Wilkinson, Lund and others?
Has the youth set up failed recently or were we just incredibly lucky to have that much talent coming through?
And how on earth did we miss Glenn Cockerill?
With respect, most of those players made their debuts 40-45 years ago - football is almost unrecognisable today from what it was just 20 years back, so Christ knows how you’d be able to compare the experiences of a youth player in 1975 to today. From what I can see, Category One academies are essentially geared towards extracting the best talent from other clubs from the age of about 6 upwards. You probably didn’t get Tony Ford invited down to Old Trafford to play 5-a-side with his primary school mates so their scouts could run their eye over him. That’s what you get nowadays. |
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With respect, most of those players made their debuts 40-45 years ago - football is almost unrecognisable today from what it was just 20 years back, so Christ knows how you’d be able to compare the experiences of a youth player in 1975 to today.
From what I can see, Category One academies are essentially geared towards extracting the best talent from other clubs from the age of about 6 upwards. You probably didn’t get Tony Ford invited down to Old Trafford to play 5-a-side with his primary school mates so their scouts could run their eye over him. That’s what you get nowadays.
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the room for young players to come through and hit the ground running is growing smaller I think, and at Grimsby it's not something we've excelled at in the same way as teams like Crewe have.
