Match of the day

I’ll say it if no one else will…..

A vast improvement on the Gary and Alan format

Utter rubbish. It costs a lot of money raised by the licence fee for highlights, and it's been squandered. It could be sorted by an apology and a reinstatement of GL.

Quoted from Sussexmariner

I’ll say it if no one else will…..

A vast improvement on the Gary and Alan format

Jumping on the bandwagon?

Quoted from Sussexmariner

I’ll say it if no one else will…..

A vast improvement on the Gary and Alan format

Absolutely agree,far far better without the hypocritical jug earred muppet and his millionaire has been mates

I failed to enjoy last night's "motd" because without post match analysis, post match interviews and commentary during the game is bland highlights I could quite as easily have seen on YouTube and thats not what I watch motd for. The sooner they come to a resolution on the situation and get people back the better for me, not saying it has to be Lineker although I dont mind him but what I saw last night wasn't motd.

Quoted from Sussexmariner

I’ll say it if no one else will…..

A vast improvement on the Gary and Alan format

Not seen it yet, but without commentary I can't see how it's worth watching. I normally skip the studio sections so couldn't care less about Lineker, Shearer and Wright. But they need to sort it out. Difficult situation though, feels like Lineker needs to go or else the BBC have no authority whatsoever over their employees. If that means everybody else leaves then I wouldn't care.

Cope.

I watched it whilst doing coursework.. have to say I did enjoy the sound of the crowd. But like others said, it was just like watching highlights on youtube

I suspect they only showed it as they are contracted to.

I usually watch it on Sunday morning but it doesn't seem to be on today!

Better with presenters for me. I think people  like Des Lynham and John Motson( God rest his soul) were best.

I love how those trying to bash Lineker et al, by saying the Motd was loads better last night, like there hasn't been the ability to get just highlights prior to this!

Agree. To be fair, those on here bashing Lineker have shown themselves to be a bit dense anyway, so probably wrong to expect they might have an informed, rounded view.

Hope we still get on BBC at Brighton…….
We don’t want to lose out on the cash

Just shows how much football we actually get in the normal show without the infill.

Tails wagging the dog, get shot of the lot of them.

This lot have become far too precious and once again selective outrage, harping on about freedom of speech. Only when it suits.

I cant believe the BBC actually pay Shearer £800k for his banal insight offering nothing bar the plainly obvious.

Alex Scott and the maniacal jumped up cheerleader that is Ian Wright can focus on the women's game.

Old jug ears can forge ahead as an independent candidate at the next elections then he can see just how valued his comments really are.

Quoted from male private Nale

Tails wagging the dog, get shot of the lot of them.

This lot have become far too precious and once again selective outrage, harping on about freedom of speech. Only when it suits.

I cant believe the BBC actually pay Shearer £800k for his banal insight offering nothing bar the plainly obvious.

Alex Scott and the maniacal jumped up cheerleader that is Ian Wright can focus on the women's game.

Old jug ears can forge ahead as an independent candidate at the next elections then he can see just how valued his comments really are.

Thanks. You’ve just illustrated my point above.

Quoted from chaos33

Thanks. You’ve just illustrated my point above.

Oh to be as well informed as you, we can but dream.

Is Lineker married. He's got nice legs.

Just take a look at what you’ve written Nick.
Just insulting nonsense, name calling, no real point, not addressing any key or wider issues…unkind, resentful. Just your usual bilge. If you’re happy with that, crack on.

Quoted from male private Nale

Tails wagging the dog, get shot of the lot of them.

This lot have become far too precious and once again selective outrage, harping on about freedom of speech. Only when it suits.

I cant believe the BBC actually pay Shearer £800k for his banal insight offering nothing bar the plainly obvious.

To be honest with you I think Gary Linekar is a lucky man. He's been blessed with footballing ability and then earns millions by presenting the game when his career finishes in comfortable surroundings. There's people out there in the world that are working in really tough conditions just to make ends meet. I give you a example. I was in Spain in the south and saw  South American migrant workers working in nearly 40 degree heat in August working in construction just to make ends meet. Think a few in this country could learn from them.

Huge credit to the work ethic shown by these people . One of the images that will stay with me for as long as I live. Huge daily sacrifice to provide for their families 👏.

Quoted from chaos33

Agree. To be fair, those on here bashing Lineker have shown themselves to be a bit dense anyway, so probably wrong to expect they might have an informed, rounded view.

Well, I am rounded but surely you can see that MOTD is just part of the froth for the masses churned out by a craven MSM? Time spent away from our screens is worth far more.

Quoted from Croxton

Well, I am rounded but surely you can see that MOTD is just part of the froth for the masses churned out by a craven MSM? Time spent away from our screens is worth far more.

It’s a football highlights programme.

Yeah I can see that, but that is somewhat beside the point.

Didn’t realise we had Conservative MPs on the fishy,

As soon as you refer to 'jug-ears' you've effectively blown your cover. Shame ereally as there are some points to be made on the presentation, and yes the hosts are horrifcally overpaid. as are most people at the top, so getting them to accept a lower wage will of course lead to 'but why should we have our wages clipped and not them...'. Hard to not get political but the woman who let her water company pollute rivers with sewarage got something got a 3 million+ bonus the pthwer week.

The post-match 'analysis' does waffle on, but this has always been the time most fans go and get a cuppa. In this digital fibre optic age though they can maybe look into a revamp, say give us a choice of original commentary, 5 Lives commentary and crowd only.
Similarly, at the post match section give us just the highlights on a loop until the next game starts.

Who cares about the PL? Or are you plastics in disguise

Quoted from Sussexmariner

I’ll say it if no one else will…..

A vast improvement on the Gary and Alan format

To have this opinion you must be a raving foaming at the mouth nazi right? According to some on here anyone not taking the side of old jug ears must be.
Yourself and I couldn't of got the memo about embracing bogus asylum seekers from comrade Corbyn.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Just shows how much football we actually get in the normal show without the infill.

The 'normal' show shows about 10 minutes per match.

FFS not another political thread.
Fukin bore off.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Who cares about the PL? Or are you plastics in disguise

Valid point. The thread could really have done with a more obvious title.

Quoted from 140381

Didn’t realise we had Conservative MPs on the fishy,

Well, we certainly did in the last election, another misjudging of the working class by the Islington elite.

Quoted from TAGG

FFS not another political thread.
Fukin bore off.

You are affected by politics at all times.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Well, we certainly did in the last election, another misjudging of the working class by the Islington elite.

Just pointing out that the OP and a couple of other posts are almost a carbon copy of what Conservative MPs tweeted last night.  

Quoted from Phil the cod

To have this opinion you must be a raving foaming at the mouth nazi right? According to some on here anyone not taking the side of old jug ears must be.
Yourself and I couldn't of got the memo about embracing bogus asylum seekers from comrade Corbyn.

😂

Keep going, topping your last post each time.
And you couldn’t ‘of’ done anything. Of isn’t a verb.

Quoted from 140381

Just pointing out that the OP and a couple of other posts are almost a carbon copy of what Conservative MPs tweeted last night.  

Every event in this country seems to turn into left v right.
Just shows what a divided people we have become, perfect time for a dictatorial superpower to invade it's neighbours......oh wait.
Winston Churchill foretold all of this years ago in his views on toxic Marxism.

Quoted from pen penfras

Not seen it yet, but without commentary I can't see how it's worth watching. I normally skip the studio sections so couldn't care less about Lineker, Shearer and Wright. But they need to sort it out. Difficult situation though, feels like Lineker needs to go or else the BBC have no authority whatsoever over their employees. If that means everybody else leaves then I wouldn't care.

Lineker isn't an employee of the BBC...he's contracted on a freelance basis.

Quoted from chaos33

😂

Keep going, topping your last post each time.
And you couldn’t ‘of’ done anything. Of isn’t a verb.

Oh, the grammar police, I wondered whence they shalt appear.

Quoted from chaos33

Just take a look at what you’ve written Nick.
Just insulting nonsense, name calling, no real point, not addressing any key or wider issues…unkind, resentful. Just your usual bilge. If you’re happy with that, crack on.

Name calling! Yet you , in an earlier post, said those bashing Lineker were ' a bit dense '!

Quoted from Rick12

To be honest with you I think Gary Linekar is a lucky man. He's been blessed with footballing ability and then earns millions by presenting the game when his career finishes in comfortable surroundings. There's people out there in the world that are working in really tough conditions just to make ends meet. I give you a example. I was in Spain in the south and saw  South American migrant workers working in nearly 40 degree heat in August working in construction just to make ends meet. Think a few in this country could learn from them.

Huge credit to the work ethic shown by these people . One of the images that will stay with me for as long as I live. Huge daily sacrifice to provide for their families 👏.

Yeah, there was absolutely no hard work put in at all to become one of the best strikers in English football history.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Every event in this country seems to turn into left v right.
Just shows what a divided people we have become, perfect time for a dictatorial superpower to invade it's neighbours......oh wait.
Winston Churchill foretold all of this years ago in his views on toxic Marxism.

My main issue with it was that John Redwood expects me to believe he watches football.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Every event in this country seems to turn into left v right.
Just shows what a divided people we have become, perfect time for a dictatorial superpower to invade it's neighbours......oh wait.
Winston Churchill foretold all of this years ago in his views on toxic Marxism.

House!

Quoted from rancido

Name calling! Yet you , in an earlier post, said those bashing Lineker were ' a bit dense '!

That’s not name calling. That’s just an observation about not being able to see, understand or reflect on the nuances of a situation and then talk about it cogently; lapsing into using terms like ‘jug ears’ or ‘jumped up cheerleader’ etc.
Point to a well constructed, intelligent anti Lineker argument.

Quoted from 140381

My main issue with it was that John Redwood expects me to believe he watches football.

And our prime minister is a Southampton supporter, who'd of known.

Quoted from Rick12

To be honest with you I think Gary Linekar is a lucky man. He's been blessed with footballing ability and then earns millions by presenting the game when his career finishes in comfortable surroundings. There's people out there in the world that are working in really tough conditions just to make ends meet. I give you a example. I was in Spain in the south and saw  South American migrant workers working in nearly 40 degree heat in August working in construction just to make ends meet. Think a few in this country could learn from them.

Huge credit to the work ethic shown by these people . One of the images that will stay with me for as long as I live. Huge daily sacrifice to provide for their families 👏.

Agreed and I think the same about former England fast bowler Dominic Cork. He's in Bangladesh now earning thousands of pounds covering cricket in an air conditioned commentary box, but not once has he considered that if he was someone else in a less fortunate position, he wouldn't be. Something to bear in mind, as we approach British Summer Time.

Quoted from 140381

Didn’t realise we had Conservative MPs on the fishy,

Are only fully paid up members of the Labour Party allowed to post on here? Football fans come from across the whole political spectrum and all have a valid contribution to make.

Quoted from rancido

Are only fully paid up members of the Labour Party allowed to post on here? Football fans come from across the whole political spectrum and all have a valid contribution to make.

The obvious comment here is “when do you start?” but I’ll let someone else make it.

Quoted from rancido

Are only fully paid up members of the Labour Party allowed to post on here? Football fans come from across the whole political spectrum and all have a valid contribution to make.

Read my other posts. That’s not what I said.

Quoted from chaos33

That’s not name calling. That’s just an observation.
Point to a well constructed, intelligent anti Lineker argument.

Anything not fitting the current on trend thinking patterns is immediately dismissed as right wing bigotry.
Amazingly, you seem to have an educational and physiological insight into the intelligence levels of every poster on here!
I wish I could be at your level of excellence.
Please be sure to highlight any grammatical irregularities.

Couldn't care less, I stopped watching 'primma donna' football ages ago.

Lineker will probably return for our game so there will be front page and back page interest.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Anything not fitting the current on trend thinking patterns is immediately dismissed as right wing bigotry.
Amazingly, you seem to have an educational and physiological insight into the intelligence levels of every poster on here!
I wish I could be at your level of excellence.
Please be sure to highlight any grammatical irregularities.

Point to an argument then and we can discuss it.

Quoted from chaos33

That’s not name calling. That’s just an observation about not being able to see, understand or reflect on the nuances of a situation and then talk about it cogently; lapsing into using terms like ‘jug ears’ or ‘jumped up cheerleader’ etc.
Point to a well constructed, intelligent anti Lineker argument.

Calling somebody ' a bit dense ' is questioning their intelligence and in this instance, not agreeing with your view on this situation.

Quoted from mariner91

Yeah, there was absolutely no hard work put in at all to become one of the best strikers in English football history.

What trophies are on his mantelpiece? Not many.

Quoted from mariner91

Yeah, there was absolutely no hard work put in at all to become one of the best strikers in English football history.

Yes ,I give Gary Linekar his due. Probably did work at his game whilst younger and respect to that. Point being is he would of made a fair bit of money from that especially in the late 1980s whilst at Barcelona. Being successful professionally then opened doors for him in the BBC as he was a name and looked good for them.

Just gets me how life can be so unfair for some. You get Gary Linekar for one as a example and yet there are others out there who die horrible births in childhood or late teenage years. When you see it up close it gets you and you think why. I suppose it's all chance( relatively speaking) and you have to try to play the hand you've been given in life to the best of your ability and not give up and try to improve your situation through hard work and consistency and never loosing hope. Easier said than done sometimes I know.  

Quoted from Phil the cod

What trophies are on his mantelpiece? Not many.

FA Cup, Copa Del Rey, two Footballer of the Year awards, European Cup Winners Cup, World Cup Golden Boot

Quoted from chaos33

Just take a look at what you’ve written Nick.
Just insulting nonsense, name calling, no real point, not addressing any key or wider issues…unkind, resentful. Just your usual bilge. If you’re happy with that, crack on.

Not addressing any key or wider issues!! intercourse me it's a message board for a league two club not the house of commons have a day off.

Quoted from LH

It’s a football highlights programme.

Is it though, I think there are comparisons with MOTD and how Top Gear evolved.
Top Gear used to be a car consumer programme...it grew and evolved into an entertainment show with cars.
MOTD has changed so much down the years and is now on the verge of the same, alot of banter and analysis around highlights, spin off shows and podcasts all under the MOTD banner.
And surprisingly enough in a similar vein the BBC are now falling out with its biggest name.

Quoted from 140381

FA Cup, Copa Del Rey, two Footballer of the Year awards, European Cup Winners Cup, World Cup Golden Boot

Yeah, well you can prove anything with facts can’t you.

Quoted from chaos33

Point to an argument then and we can discuss it.

Ok, I've put it to you that I don't agree with Mr linekers opinions on immigration and the right to asylum in this country.
Now,you knowing this,proceed to claim that I must be "a bit dense"
You don't even know me or what I do for a living.
I can look at other people's opinions on any subject and if I see something that I agree with I think to myself fair play.
The problem with a lot of left leaning individuals is that they are intolerant of anything even slightly different to the mantra of chairman Jeremy.
The very definition of fascism itself!

Quoted from rancido

Calling somebody ' a bit dense ' is questioning their intelligence and in this instance, not agreeing with your view on this situation.

To be fair, it is self evident that some are a bit dense.

Quoted from chaos33

Yeah, well you can prove anything with facts can’t you.

Yeah, but it's not like it's Roy Keane's mantelpiece is it.
Lineker, in my opinion was vastly overrated.

Quoted from male private Nale

Not addressing any key or wider issues!! intercourse me it's a message board for a league two club not the house of commons have a day off.

😂😂😂

No words!

I seem to recall Lineker speaking out about the human rights issues and exploitation of workers in Qatar prior to the World Cup. Very commendable and rightly so but didn't he then accept his '30 pieces of silver ' by going out there to comment on the games? Where was his moral indignation then - he didn't have to go. I have a friend who is an avid football supporter, who totally refused to watch any of the games purely on the human rights issue. Lineker could so easily have refused to go and given more weight to exposing that particular human rights issue. I think the term ' hypocrite' springs to mind.

Quoted from moosey_club

Is it though, I think there are comparisons with MOTD and how Top Gear evolved.
Top Gear used to be a car consumer programme...it grew and evolved into an entertainment show with cars.
MOTD has changed so much down the years and is now on the verge of the same, alot of banter and analysis around highlights, spin off shows and podcasts all under the MOTD banner.
And surprisingly enough in a similar vein the BBC are now falling out with its biggest name.

That’s TV in general though I think. A lot of cookery programmes now have a banter section too. Everything’s just come on a bit from the previous stuffiness. Top Gear has reverted to it’s previous form now from what I’ve seen lately.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Ok, I've put it to you that I don't agree with Mr linekers opinions on immigration and the right to asylum in this country.
Now,you knowing this,proceed to claim that I must be "a bit dense"
You don't even know me or what I do for a living.
I can look at other people's opinions on any subject and if I see something that I agree with I think to myself fair play.
The problem with a lot of left leaning individuals is that they are intolerant of anything even slightly different to the mantra of chairman Jeremy.
The very definition of fascism itself!

For me the argument is much more than whether you agree with GL's comments or not. The issue is that this government in particular is consistently trying to undermine the BBC and interfere with freedom of speech, and has already brought in laws to prevent/stop peaceful protests. It is this type of behaviour which is the definition of fascism. If GL had expressed the opposite view in his tweet, do you honestly think any of this would have happened?

Quoted from Phil the cod

Yeah, but it's not like it's Roy Keane's mantelpiece is it.
Lineker, in my opinion was vastly overrated.

…and Keane’s mantelpiece isn’t as impressive as Kingsley Coman’s.

I’m assuming you are talking about trophies and I haven’t stumbled into some sort of homoerotic symbolism.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Ok, I've put it to you that I don't agree with Mr linekers opinions on immigration and the right to asylum in this country.
Now,you knowing this,proceed to claim that I must be "a bit dense"
You don't even know me or what I do for a living.
I can look at other people's opinions on any subject and if I see something that I agree with I think to myself fair play.
The problem with a lot of left leaning individuals is that they are intolerant of anything even slightly different to the mantra of chairman Jeremy.
The very definition of fascism itself!

It literally isn't.

Oxford Dictionary definition of fascism:
"an extreme right-wing political system or attitude that is in favour of strong central government, aggressively promoting your own country or race above others, and that does not allow any opposition"

You could have just used the phrase intolerant  and that would have been fine. There are plenty of intolerant people on both sides of the political spectrum. But it always amazes me that the ones who go on about fascism and Marxism and woke etc are completely unable to define or understand what any of these terms mean.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Ok, I've put it to you that I don't agree with Mr linekers opinions on immigration and the right to asylum in this country.
Now,you knowing this,proceed to claim that I must be "a bit dense"
You don't even know me or what I do for a living.
I can look at other people's opinions on any subject and if I see something that I agree with I think to myself fair play.
The problem with a lot of left leaning individuals is that they are intolerant of anything even slightly different to the mantra of chairman Jeremy.
The very definition of fascism itself!

This is spot on. The growing trend from the left leaning and woke movement is intolerance to any views that contradict their own. Expressions like ' I'll informed ' or ' dense' litter their dialogue against anybody not supporting their views.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

…and Keane’s mantelpiece isn’t as impressive as Kingsley Coman’s.

I’m assuming you are talking about trophies and I haven’t stumbled into some sort of homoerotic symbolism.

I think he's referring to the trophies for yellow card accumulation.

Here we go again. .... intercourse off with your boring moaning please . It's dragging the mood of the fishy down when we should be looking forward to an FA Cup Qt Final.  Go out and enjoy the mild weather, go to Hubbard's hills but please just intercourse off

Genuine question, if this rumbles on into next week, surely ITV can bid to show our game instead? And surely we don’t lose out on the money?

Quoted from pontoonlew

Genuine question, if this rumbles on into next week, surely ITV can bid to show our game instead? And surely we don’t lose out on the money?

And we'd have Ally McCoist commentating again.

Never work with animals and children and football with politics.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Genuine question, if this rumbles on into next week, surely ITV can bid to show our game instead? And surely we don’t lose out on the money?

I think that would be the obvious contingency. A real shame not to be live on the BBC all the same. This has probably damaged the BBC’s chances of coverage of a lot of sporting events for the medium to long term.

Quoted from rancido

This is spot on. The growing trend from the left leaning and woke movement is intolerance to any views that contradict their own. Expressions like ' I'll informed ' or ' dense' litter their dialogue against anybody not supporting their views.

Both sides are as bad. Nobody thinks anymore. They just tick a set of boxes and anything which falls outside those boxes is wrong. It’s imbecilic and incredibly tiring.

Quoted from chaos33

No words!

Thank you God!

Quoted from pontoonlew

Genuine question, if this rumbles on into next week, surely ITV can bid to show our game instead? And surely we don’t lose out on the money?

You would have assumed that the BBC, like other broadcasters, have entered a contract with the FA and TV and monies payable for broadcast rights will be secure.

With that in mind, assuming there is no solution between now and next weekend, there are probably two possibilities. One, the game goes ahead as scheduled, but with no commentary and supporting analysis. This is what is happening with today’s WSL match between Chelsea and Man Utd, though the cost of broadcast rights for that one will be a fraction of those for our game.

Alternatively, the BBC come to an agreement with the FA and another broadcaster to transfer the rights to show the game. This would need to happen quickly however for the necessary logistics to be put in place.

Sadly, I think the first eventuality is the most likely, which would be a great shame for those unable to get a ticket and for what is / was set to be our most watched fixture in our history.

What a mess.

Quoted from rancido

This is spot on. The growing trend from the left leaning and woke movement is intolerance to any views that contradict their own. Expressions like ' I'll informed ' or ' dense' litter their dialogue against anybody not supporting their views.

Whilst I’d support your right to opinion, and I would agree that there are some folk who seemingly become offended on behalf of people who aren’t offended, that’s not necessarily a mark of people with left leaning politics.

Perhaps it’s unkind or unfair to use phrases like ‘dense’ or ‘ill informed’ but, and you’d have to agree, I’m yet to find anyone from the right, particularly among friends or down the pub who have nothing but an ill informed knowledge of immigration, experience of the asylum system and, often look for research and evidence themselves, choosing to believe Gaz on Facebook or some government influenced media outlet…

But then, some might argue that is a sad indictment of the education system, and believe me, having been involved in the system, across several governments I can tell you that any chances to create creative and critical thinkers has been slowly diminished in favour for people knowing facts…Michael Gove’s legacy currently sits at the bottom of a cupboard in my office in the shape of a bible🙄

Quoted from rancido

This is spot on. The growing trend from the left leaning and woke movement is intolerance to any views that contradict their own. Expressions like ' I'll informed ' or ' dense' litter their dialogue against anybody not supporting their views.

So 36 Tory MPs immediately writing to the BBC requesting them to punish GL, Nadine Dorries trying to sell off Channel 4, bringing in laws to prevent/stop peaceful protests, is not "intolerance to any views that contradict their own"?

You can't really argue that point without contradicting yourself.

Last night, Sunak did his bizarre input saying it was just a matter for the BBC, which would indicate he didn't notice that your aforementioned MPs (including some ministers) had already been sticking their oars in!

Quoted from Poojah

You would have assumed that the BBC, like other broadcasters, have entered a contract with the FA and TV and monies payable for broadcast rights will be secure.

With that in mind, assuming there is no solution between now and next weekend, there are probably two possibilities. One, the game goes ahead as scheduled, but with no commentary and supporting analysis. This is what is happening with today’s WSL match between Chelsea and Man Utd, though the cost of broadcast rights for that one will be a fraction of those for our game.

Alternatively, the BBC come to an agreement with the FA and another broadcaster to transfer the rights to show the game. This would need to happen quickly however for the necessary logistics to be put in place.

Sadly, I think the first eventuality is the most likely, which would be a great shame for those unable to get a ticket and for what is / was set to be our most watched fixture in our history.

What a mess.

Will there be a 'world feed' commentary for the BBC to use? (although they didn't use them last night for whatever reason  )

Quoted from rancido

This is spot on. The growing trend from the left leaning and woke movement is intolerance to any views that contradict their own. Expressions like ' I'll informed ' or ' dense' litter their dialogue against anybody not supporting their views.

Except it isn’t though. That’s just a refuge to run to because you can’t make an informed argument. Let’s remember it is ‘right-leaning’ people who have shut Gary Lineker down because they don’t like his opinion.
This country has spent more time this week poring over Gary Lineker’s opinion of an illegal government policy than we have the actual policy!

There are those people who post ostensible twaddle, usually badly written, who then cry when challenged and say things like you’ve said. ‘The left’ and ‘the woke movement’ (whatever that is) can’t take it when people disagree’. But there’s nothing that’s been said that constitutes a proper position on the subject. They use name calling, and received ideas and a poor grasp of the facts or a one sided account from the paper they read or someone on Facebook they like, and when you invite them to make or point to a strong argument supporting their view, they can’t. Then they get cross, and then they retreat to where you just did. Complete straw man position. I haven’t read anything yet from these self evidently ill informed people using words like ‘jug eared’ and who don’t know the difference between of and have, say anything that we could discuss in intelligent terms.

Quoted from aldi_01

Whilst I’d support your right to opinion, and I would agree that there are some folk who seemingly become offended on behalf of people who aren’t offended, that’s not necessarily a mark of people with left leaning politics.

Perhaps it’s unkind or unfair to use phrases like ‘dense’ or ‘ill informed’ but, and you’d have to agree, I’m yet to find anyone from the right, particularly among friends or down the pub who have nothing but an ill informed knowledge of immigration, experience of the asylum system and, often look for research and evidence themselves, choosing to believe Gaz on Facebook or some government influenced media outlet…

But then, some might argue that is a sad indictment of the education system, and believe me, having been involved in the system, across several governments I can tell you that any chances to create creative and critical thinkers has been slowly diminished in favour for people knowing facts…Michael Gove’s legacy currently sits at the bottom of a cupboard in my office in the shape of a bible🙄

Your point about friends or people down the pub ( or club in my case) is very true but, nationwide , they represent a fairly high percentage of the voting public. As an example, yesterday afternoon after the match I went into my club and this was the topic of conversation amongst about 20 people. They were all in agreement about Lineker stepping out of line and agreeing with the Government approach to channel asylum seekers. Now this is a working mans social club and predominantly Labour supporters yet they all seem to agree that these asylum seekers should be prevented from entering the country. You could argue that they are ill-informed or 'dense' but their views are just as valid as the Metropolitant Elite or ' intellectuals' who post on this site.

Quoted from rancido

Your point about friends or people down the pub ( or club in my case) is very true but, nationwide , they represent a fairly high percentage of the voting public. As an example, yesterday afternoon after the match I went into my club and this was the topic of conversation amongst about 20 people. They were all in agreement about Lineker stepping out of line and agreeing with the Government approach to channel asylum seekers. Now this is a working mans social club and predominantly Labour supporters yet they all seem to agree that these asylum seekers should be prevented from entering the country. You could argue that they are ill-informed or 'dense' but their views are just as valid as the Metropolitant Elite or ' intellectuals' who post on this site.

People like Coldplay and voted for the nazis. You can't trust people Jeremy.

Quoted from rancido

Your point about friends or people down the pub ( or club in my case) is very true but, nationwide , they represent a fairly high percentage of the voting public. As an example, yesterday afternoon after the match I went into my club and this was the topic of conversation amongst about 20 people. They were all in agreement about Lineker stepping out of line and agreeing with the Government approach to channel asylum seekers. Now this is a working mans social club and predominantly Labour supporters yet they all seem to agree that these asylum seekers should be prevented from entering the country. You could argue that they are ill-informed or 'dense' but their views are just as valid as the Metropolitant Elite or ' intellectuals' who post on this site.

I’d argue that’s more of an example of how the government control the media and narrative…whereas working men’s clubs were once places of labour voters, I suspect that’s shifted, in fact I know it has, this is very much evident in my own local.

I’d argue that this represents a wider shift is society and culture, the breaking down of community and the islolationism created by thatcher and the likes…a much bigger decision.

What we’ve now got is conflicted politics. It’s hard to argue that our asylum system isn’t broken but that’s not the fault of the asylum seekers but of the poorly operated system, the underfunded processes, with the fault lying fairly at the feet of the government. Although it’s no coincidence that th system is broken when so many people can make themselves very rich from the broken system.

Sadly, this isn’t even a reflection of the BBC but three very powerful people at the top who have the hooters pulled by those in government. Sad really, there’s some banging documentaries and the likes created by the beeb…

Quoted from rancido

Your point about friends or people down the pub ( or club in my case) is very true but, nationwide , they represent a fairly high percentage of the voting public. As an example, yesterday afternoon after the match I went into my club and this was the topic of conversation amongst about 20 people. They were all in agreement about Lineker stepping out of line and agreeing with the Government approach to channel asylum seekers. Now this is a working mans social club and predominantly Labour supporters yet they all seem to agree that these asylum seekers should be prevented from entering the country. You could argue that they are ill-informed or 'dense' but their views are just as valid as the Metropolitant Elite or ' intellectuals' who post on this site.

The problem is that two separate issues are being conflated into one. The first issue "GL was out of line" - why was he, he's entitled to express his view (you yourself have this morning argued that people shouldn't be demonised for expressing their opinion). The second is whether you agree with what he said. They are two separate things, but what seems to be happening is that anyone who agrees with the migrant policy is also taking the stance that GL isn't entitled to his opinion.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Ok, I've put it to you that I don't agree with Mr linekers opinions on immigration and the right to asylum in this country.
Now,you knowing this,proceed to claim that I must be "a bit dense"
You don't even know me or what I do for a living.
I can look at other people's opinions on any subject and if I see something that I agree with I think to myself fair play.
The problem with a lot of left leaning individuals is that they are intolerant of anything even slightly different to the mantra of chairman Jeremy.
The very definition of fascism itself!

From the tweet in question how can you know you don’t agree with Mr Lineker’s views on immigration or the right to asylum in this country?
He only says in the tweet that the language used by Braverman has tones of the language used in Germany in the  thirties, he does not say the Government are nazis or mention the right or not of asylum. You have jumped on the bandwagon of putting what a few Mail supporting Tory MPs are saying. The BBC has foolishly suspended him due to government pressure, in citing political impartiality without stating the Director General , appointed by the government was a Tory candidate or the chairman of the the BBC is under investigation for his suitability for the role due to undeclared £400, 000 donations to the Tory Party and his role in getting the former PM a £800, 000 loan, incidentally he hasn’t been asked to step back while the investigation is in progress. Tweets much more political from Sugar(also racist tweets) and others supporting theTories have gone unpunished .
Please give examples of the left leaning intolerance, are they intolerant of casual or overt racism? Maybe of sexism, homophobia. In my experience it is the right who are intolerant as is being highlighted with this incident, they talk about free speech and cancel culture but everything about this reeks of blocking free speech and cancel culture

For those who think Lineker was out of line making his comments about this (probably illegal) policy, did they similarly get upset when Alan Sugar was trolling Corbyn/Labour on twitter, when Karen Brady was pushing government policy on twitter, when Andrew Neil was making right-wing political arguments on twitter etc etc etc?

Directly equivalent cases but for who their posts were supporting/attacking...

Thank you for the patronising/condescending/smug responses to my post.
It was just a genuine response to the changes of Match of the day!
I have no real interest in Premier League games. I like watching the highlights and that’s exactly what I got.
I’ve never liked Gary Lineker and for that matter, Alan Shearer, they are just so bland. Why do the BBC and other TV companies assume that if you were a great player would you will make a great pundit clearly not the case, Alan Shearer was a great player, but he’s clearly there because he is Alan Shearer…no other reason!

I’d love to join into the asylum seeking/illegal immigrant debate. I do believe I have some inside knowledge as I work at Gatwick and this is part of my job to deal with these issues, but obviously if I told the truth some people would find that offensive, and without having any inside knowledge unlike myself, would call me a liar and a racist, so I’ll just leave it there and leave it for you more intellectual thinkers to continue the debate.

Is anybody aware we have a big game next Sunday?

Quoted from Sussexmariner

Thank you for the patronising/condescending/smug responses to my post.
It was just a genuine response to the changes of Match of the day!
I have no real interest in Premier League games. I like watching the highlights and that’s exactly what I got.
I’ve never liked Gary Lineker and for that matter, Alan Shearer, they are just so bland. Why do the BBC and other TV companies assume that if you were a great player would you will make a great pundit clearly not the case, Alan Shearer was a great player, but he’s clearly there because he is Alan Shearer…no other reason!

I’d love to join into the asylum seeking/illegal immigrant debate. I do believe I have some inside knowledge as I work at Gatwick and this is part of my job to deal with these issues, but obviously if I told the truth some people would find that offensive, and without having any inside knowledge unlike myself, would call me a liar and a racist, so I’ll just leave it there and leave it for you more intellectual thinkers to continue the debate.

Genuine question - will you really be happier to watch the Town match next week if there is no commentary or punditry?

This discussion is a great example of the current political situation. People are either a bigot or a fully paid up Corbynista with nothing in between.

Personally I have no issue with what Lineker said and I think he should be free to comment on what every he likes. However, I have a real issue with the people enforcing the impartiality rules being clearly partisan - the BBC chairman donated 400k to the Conservative Party and allegedly helped Johnson get a loan and the Director General was the head of the local Conservative association and unsuccessfully ran as an MP.

I don’t see how anyone in these roles can have such an obvious bias for either side.

Quoted from Marinerdan

This discussion is a great example of the current political situation. People are either a bigot or a fully paid up Corbynista with nothing in between.

Personally I have no issue with what Lineker said and I think he should be free to comment on what every he likes. However, I have a real issue with the people enforcing the impartiality rules being clearly partisan - the BBC chairman donated 400k to the Conservative Party and allegedly helped Johnson get a loan and the Director General was the head of the local Conservative association and unsuccessfully ran as an MP.

I don’t see how anyone in these roles can have such an obvious bias for either side.

Not to mention Fiona Bruce whose husband has received £3.9m from the Conservative government to advertise government policies.