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Has that been weighted against the league positions of the teams we were playing against at the time, or for the 4 goals scored against a Crewe reserve team in the cup?

It’s almost as if stats are completely meaningless and can be cherry picked to support almost any argument.

General rule of thumb in football is that you tend to do better if you have better players. Some people want us to drop our best player for a Norwich u21 with 10 professional appearances. That’s their opinion and they’re very much welcome to it.
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What is your position on McAtee TRJL? Be specific.


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What is your position on McAtee TRJL? Be specific.


Have you not been following what I have written in this thread?

McAtee is our most talented player, without a doubt, but as a team, we are not performing with him and getting the best out of him at the moment due to the way we are set up. Hopefully, when Taylor comes back this will no longer be a problem but the way the team are playing at present is not working for the team or McAtee. So we need to either change the team to suit the formation/tactics or change the formation/tactics to suit the team.

McAtee has the ability to change a game, but how many times has he actually changed a game this season? Can you honestly say his performances this year have been the standard of the rest of our players? Crocombe, Waterfall, Maher, Clifton, Holohan and Green have all performed better than him this season, in my opinion. (I have probably missed a couple as well) I am not talking about what he can do, he showed that against Newport, but we haven't seen anywhere near what we saw last season. To repeat, I put this down to the way we are playing, rather than McAtee himself.

Personally, I would like to see a change in tactics, when we play the ball on the ground we have the ability to rip teams apart, this long ball tactic is rendering most of our midfield useless and without a Tayloresque player long balls aren't going to work. Even with Lloyd coming in, and McAtee dropping into his favoured position and I don't think we have seen a massive improvement.

Is that what you are after?



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Has that been weighted against the league positions of the teams we were playing against at the time, or for the 4 goals scored against a Crewe reserve team in the cup?

It’s almost as if stats are completely meaningless and can be cherry picked to support almost any argument.

General rule of thumb in football is that you tend to do better if you have better players. Some people want us to drop our best player for a Norwich u21 with 10 professional appearances. That’s their opinion and they’re very much welcome to it.


I love the way you offer up stats, to back your argument up, then as soon as someone counters your argument with stats, suddenly stats become meaningless! The 3 goals without McAtee stat was perfectly cherry-picked!

By the way, I have not seen one person saying McAtee should be dropped for Dickson-Peters.
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I love the way you’ve dug up a thread from 3 weeks ago, with a quote from early February, to try and justify your position. Look, you want to drop our best player, that’s fine - that’s your view and you’re welcome to it. You don’t need to keep trying to justify yourself and looking to me for validation, just be proud of your opinions.

As for his replacement, who else were you planning to replace him with? The kit man?
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I love the way you’ve dug up a thread from 3 weeks ago, with a quote from early February, to try and justify your position. Look, you want to drop our best player, that’s fine - that’s your view and you’re welcome to it. You don’t need to keep trying to justify yourself and looking to me for validation, just be proud of your opinions.

As for his replacement, who else were you planning to replace him with? The kit man?


The article was posted today!

https://twitter.com/Sam_Allen567/status/1634221588877922305

I think the word you used previously was "mince" wasn't it? I have NOT said he should be dropped, I said the formation tactics should be changed to suit. You are not so special that I need your approval.

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We are better as a collective, team, without him at the moment, even though he's the best individual.


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The needs of the team should always outweigh the ability of one individual.


Funny way of saying “the formation tactics should be changed to suit”.
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Funny way of saying “the formation tactics should be changed to suit”.


I am not sure what is so difficult for you to understand! Those 2 statements hold true, the needs of the team will always be greater than any one individual and we were playing better before McAtee returned.

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Personally, I would like to see a change in tactics,...


This was only a few post earlier, but congrats on the cherry picking!


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The first game back after his injury, he came on and I thought we might do well with him in the team. He's been very ineffective since then. Partly due to the awful performances of the team and partly because he's been out of form. He still looks like he is the best player in our squad, but the end result was poor consistently.

He's our best player, but I'd be inclined to drop him after the FA cup to see what others can do. McAtee won't be here next season and we've got nothing to play for. Might as well see if somebody else is capable, although I suspect we already know the answer to that question


From what I'm hearing you could be wrong with that assumption, strong rumours Luton (Rob Edwards)have told him he'll be going out on loan again next season and he himself will only consider GTFC if that's the case.
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From what I'm hearing you could be wrong with that assumption, strong rumours Luton (Rob Edwards)have told him he'll be going out on loan again next season and he himself will only consider GTFC if that's the case.


Source?


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