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2010 - abstained, no pro-austerity party gets my vote 2015 - chaos with Ed Miliband 2017 - National Investment Fund & renationalisation of water, rail & mail 2019 - National Care Service, end homelessness & green industrial revolution
I’ll be able to look my kids in the face and say I did the right thing. Voting for this mob should haunt people to the grave.
So you’ve only been voting for 12 years? I had you down for being a lot older than that to be honest, but would go some way to explain your urban guerrilla front. I’l take a stab possible graduate brainwashed by our education system and now now bitter because stuck in a monotonous excrement payed job and unlikely to ever pay that student loan off. And you blame it all on those nasty Tories because that is what your teachers told you🤔 So you wasted your vote in 2010 good start….. power to the people 👊 2015 you went for a highly privileged millionaire champagne socalist😀 2017 and 2019 I don’t recall seeing any of these on the ballot paper so I will assume it was the the Corbo and Abbott freak show but you’re to embarrassed to say. I’m sure your kids will grow up very proud 🥹
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Suella Braverman?
Me neither.
Perhaps the worst ever Attorney General who would struggle to get a job at any half decent law firm. I nearly choked when I heard she was putting herself forward. A big Johnson backer quite happy to overlook any laws or conventions he broke or any lack of morality if helps her party covering up Tory misdemeanours
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The new Tory leader will inherit everything the Tories have done over the past 12 years. Shitshow after shitshow, so I'd hope that any attempt to pretend there is some sort of a reset and a new leaf has been turned will be laughed away. Of course, you can guarantee that the right-wing media barons will be as devious and dishonest in support as always so no doubt a lot of the electorate will continue to be hoodwinked. They'll try to blame everything that has gone wrong on Johnson though his enablers are still running the party.
All the candidates for Tory leadership are remarkably untalented politicians or have records which ought to prove they simply aren't capable. Unfortunately, Starmer is an untalented politician as well and I wouldn't trust him any more than any of the Tories at present. I still hope for a hung parliament next time around and a proper go at electoral reform so we can join the grown ups in other countries with a representative electoral system.
I live in Clee and sincerely hope that the stuffed shirt that is Martin Vickers is booted out at the next election. If that means voting LibDem, I'll just have to pinch my nose and go that way this time, even though they are barely to the left of the Tories.
Even if we managed to get PR implemented, it will take some years for the many rotten apples in all parties to be shaken out of the system. No doubt, more will appear, but hopefully not to the same degree.
I’m all for a change in the way we vote it’s beyond a joke now that we only ever get a Tory or Labour Party, nothing will ever change two cheeks of the same bottom.
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They will pretend they haven’t backed him time and time again, even though all of them knew what Johnson was like. But as you say bad news for Labour, the Tory press will conveniently forget how they have backed Johnson. Whoever does replace him will get a bounce of relief in the polls. However the country is in a dire situation, high inflation, rising interest rates and fuel and food prices, the NHS has massive waiting lists again. Strikes looking likely across a lot of industries, a potential labour shortage and the fallout from Johnson’s crappy Oven ready Brexit. The National debt is massive, nearly three times it was in 2010 and a much higher percentage of GDP Whoever comes in will have the baggage of 12 years of Tory government in which loads of people especially in the public services have got relatively poorer and poorer, and watching this shitshow shows what a shower this lot are,
I guess the majority on here will be hoping for a remainer then because this would be political suicide for the party.
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My money is on Jeremy Hunt. Got out before the pandemic, has kept away from government since then so isn't tarred with the chaos from recent years and always appears reasonable (if a bit creepy). Another privately-educated Oxford PPE-er from the establishment, of course, but that's the state of things at present.
He would probably be more risky to the NHS even than Johnson and his cronies as he was working towards privatisation during his long stint as Health Minister, but he sounds more reasonable than the others.
Front-runners are likely to be:
Hunt: creepy Sunak: oily Javid: wooden Truss: by God, she's dim
I suppose it depends on whichever candidate appeals most to the decrepitude of the ever-diminishing Tory party membership. Oh, also which dodgy donors spunk a load of money to fund their preferred candidate.
Surprised that you have missed Penny Mordaunt surely she’s got to be in with a shout?
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Been away for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to many lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
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Been a way for a bit on the fishy due to personal reasons which I cant go into but I know Ive been laughed a bit by some on here(albeit minority) due to my religious views which is a shame as I can rip into anybody if I wanted and put them right down as we all have weakness but I choose not to as I feel constructive criticism and dialogue is the way to go.
I actually have a bit of respect for Humbercod though as at least he has the balls to go against the grain eg to may lefty's on the fishy. Politically left or right noone can get it spot on though I feel.
On a wider note after being on the left side of the political spectrum and also the right Iam neither none now but right down the middle. Likewise my religious views have changed as well. Ive tried to look at things from a open deeper perspective and feel the Native American Indians had it spot on eg try to live in harmony with nature. I note David Attenborough the nature television presenter says the same eg ultimately we are here to carry on the human population and live in harmony with nature.
Genuine Question.. who would you call as a centre politician?
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Genuine Question.. who would you call as a centre politician?
Good question Codcheeky. I have liked politicians on all sides of the divides recently eg Theresa May and Keir Starmer . Its a tough one as whoever gets in power can never get it spot on. Its the one for me that trys to push hard work, ability and good moral character . Hence were not all going to be doctors and lawyers. I have as much respect for the guy thats a road sweeper and empty's our bins(honest living and pays their taxes). Ultimately variety is necessary as you know for society to function.
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So you’ve only been voting for 12 years? I had you down for being a lot older than that to be honest, but would go some way to explain your urban guerrilla front. I’l take a stab possible graduate brainwashed by our education system and now now bitter because stuck in a monotonous excrement payed job and unlikely to ever pay that student loan off. And you blame it all on those nasty Tories because that is what your teachers told you🤔
So you wasted your vote in 2010 good start….. power to the people 👊 2015 you went for a highly privileged millionaire champagne socalist😀 2017 and 2019 I don’t recall seeing any of these on the ballot paper so I will assume it was the the Corbo and Abbott freak show but you’re to embarrassed to say.
I’m sure your kids will grow up very proud 🥹
What do you think they teach in schools?
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Rick, you need to read about the concept of the Overton window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_windowRight-wing thinking has been dominant in British politics for so long now that the Overton window has been dragged far to the right. 'Centre' now means something around where Thatcher was back in the 1980s and both the LibDems and (New) Labour are in that sphere. The right-wing dominated media have been instrumental in this push, of course and they'll do their best to keep things that way. Their billionaire owners have got vastly wealthier by ensuring this. As I frequently mentioned during the past couple of elections, Corbyn was a moderate social democrat, most of whose policies wouldn't have been out of place in a Tory Party manifesto from the 1970s. All would have been entirely acceptable in most of Western Europe where social democracy is still very much in place. However, the Overton window has been pushed so far to the right that sensible policies which most of the electorate agree with were portrayed as looney left-wing stuff by the media. We desperately need to get the Overton window dragged leftwards because, if it continues to drift further to the right, we're only headed in one direction and it's not towards Socialism, however the likes of Humbo may delude themselves. Read through Umberto Eco's list of common features of fascism and consider how many apply now within our country which didn't necessarily do so a decade ago: https://www.openculture.com/20.....ures-of-fascism.html
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