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Maringer
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Not for me, as I prefer a nice seat with a better view, but it seems that the government may be legislating to bring back safe standing in the PL/Football League:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58357046

A populist government is useful on the odd occasion and I'm sure this would be welcomed by many fans, providing it is done right and safely. I'm assuming the legislation would make its way down to our level as well.
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They are also thinking of bringing back smoking areas. Back to the good old days  


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Spent part of yesterdays game standing anyway, the bloke in front of me kept standing up when we got anywhere near Weymouth's penalty box, I always get them.

Couldn't be bothered to say anything to him as I was too busy calming the drunk bloke next to me who was constantly slagging the team off before we scored  

Not an area of the Upper I normally sit in  


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Maybe we could install some in the open corners rather than use them as a car park ?
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SAFE standing would mean the use of rails for each step making it very expensive to install with little extra capacity. Rail seats that allow standing and also seating when required even more expensive. Do we want to spend money that's needed elswhere?
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SAFE standing would mean the use of rails for each step making it very expensive to install with little extra capacity. Rail seats that allow standing and also seating when required even more expensive. Do we want to spend money that's needed elswhere?


A few blocks of rail seating would almost certainly improve the atmosphere and overall experience, so a definite yes from me.
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Long overdue if it happens. Change was needed to English stadia following Hillsborough and the Taylor report, and we probably have it to thank for the fact that the standard of our grounds is generally higher than anywhere else in the world, but the regulations were inconsistent and unnecessarily strict.

Why is it currently ok to have a packed terrace in an antiquated stand in League One but not in a world class, modern stadium in the Premier League?

Not withstanding the disastrous policing that fateful day, another Hillsborough couldn’t happen in this country today with or without so-called safe standing. The old pen system and perimeter fencing were largely at fault, neither of which are rightly in existence today. I’d even argue safe standing is safer than seating in many respects - I’ve fallen over the shin high seats of the row below plenty of times in the midst of a goal celebration melee. The row by row crush barriers present in safe standing areas prevents this kind of thing happening.

This sounds like good news, but it’s taken way too long for basic common sense to prevail.


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Long overdue if it happens. Change was needed to English stadia following Hillsborough and the Taylor report, and we probably have it to thank for the fact that the standard of our grounds is generally higher than anywhere else in the world, but the regulations were inconsistent and unnecessarily strict.

Why is it currently ok to have a packed terrace in an antiquated stand in League One but not in a world class, modern stadium in the Premier League?

Not withstanding the disastrous policing that fateful day, another Hillsborough couldn’t happen in this country today with or without so-called safe standing. The old pen system and perimeter fencing were largely at fault, neither of which are rightly in existence today. I’d even argue safe standing is safer than seating in many respects - I’ve fallen over the shin high seats of the row below plenty of times in the midst of a goal celebration melee. The row by row crush barriers present in safe standing areas prevents this kind of thing happening.

This sounds like good news, but it’s taken way too long for basic common sense to prevail.


Interesting that you mention pens holding folk in, I was at Leeds festival on Friday and whilst I’m aware they’ve done it for a while, they’ve got like 4 main pens, closest are the smallest and then back two are the biggest. I was more squashed in for a gig than I’ve ever had other than the usual squash you get down the front. It also hindered the crowd/atmosphere to be honest.

I’ve been at gigs without this, many a big gig ad felt better at those than this one…

Standing needs to return, we’re not taking about returning to big open terraces and excrement toilets etc, but standing is better and creates a wetter atmosphere.

If the yanks can embrace stranding and smoke bombs and drinking in front of the game in their litigation and H&S mad sue culture then we really should give it a go…


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Interesting that you mention pens holding folk in, I was at Leeds festival on Friday and whilst I’m aware they’ve done it for a while, they’ve got like 4 main pens, closest are the smallest and then back two are the biggest. I was more squashed in for a gig than I’ve ever had other than the usual squash you get down the front. It also hindered the crowd/atmosphere to be honest.

I’ve been at gigs without this, many a big gig ad felt better at those than this one…

Standing needs to return, we’re not taking about returning to big open terraces and excrement toilets etc, but standing is better and creates a wetter atmosphere.

If the yanks can embrace stranding and smoke bombs and drinking in front of the game in their litigation and H&S mad sue culture then we really should give it a go…


By this do you mean when people can't get to be bothered to queue for the toilets like used to happen in Kop or do mean some kind of watersport fun thing (or perhaps fetish thing)?

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Not for me, as I prefer a nice seat with a better view, but it seems that the government may be legislating to bring back safe standing in the PL/Football League:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58357046

A populist government is useful on the odd occasion and I'm sure this would be welcomed by many fans, providing it is done right and safely. I'm assuming the legislation would make its way down to our level as well.


Sorry to be a pedant, but we’ve never had safe standing in English football so they’re not bringing it back but thinking of introducing it.
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Quoted from promotion plaice

Spent part of yesterdays game standing anyway, the bloke in front of me kept standing up when we got anywhere near Weymouth's penalty box, I always get them.

Not an area of the Upper I normally sit in  


Probably the place where I sit. I don't know why they do it, the seating is nicely elevated and you can see everything; until of course people stand up in front of you.  

Another bugbear of mine is sitting near to an aisle; and I have no objection when people leave early perhaps to catch a bus, but just go. Please don't stop and stand in front of me blocking my view, when there is a bit of goalmouth excitement.





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They are also thinking of bringing back smoking areas. Back to the good old days  


Yeah like t.b ricketts and polio


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Interesting that you mention pens holding folk in, I was at Leeds festival on Friday and whilst I’m aware they’ve done it for a while, they’ve got like 4 main pens, closest are the smallest and then back two are the biggest. I was more squashed in for a gig than I’ve ever had other than the usual squash you get down the front. It also hindered the crowd/atmosphere to be honest.

I’ve been at gigs without this, many a big gig ad felt better at those than this one…

Standing needs to return, we’re not taking about returning to big open terraces and excrement toilets etc, but standing is better and creates a wetter atmosphere.

If the yanks can embrace stranding and smoke bombs and drinking in front of the game in their litigation and H&S mad sue culture then we really should give it a go…


Agree with that - there’s not much to take from the US’ take on soccerball (in particular those daft hockey style halfway line shootouts they had over there in the 90s) but some of their new football dedicated stadiums are really good. The one in Orlando stands out, which appears to be based on the traditional English ground layout with a massive terrace at one end.

[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13913l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13922l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13916l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium28101l.jpg[/img]
No reason at all we couldn’t have something like this in this country.


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If it does come back I’d like us to fill the two corners at the Pontoon end with open safe terraces. Ideally you’d do the whole Pontoon and Lower with it but I reckon there’d be people who
have become accustomed to sitting so it’d be unfair to boot them out of it now.
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I don't get everyone's obsession with this. Most people I have seen who want this, sit in areas of the ground where it won't be installed i.e. upper findus.

If we got it, we would install it in the left side of the Pontoon, which would be a total waste of money as most people stand the whole game anyway, and have been for the majority of the past 10 years. There's no point installing it anywhere else in the ground as it won't get the take up or will just force other supporters, who want to sit down, to move elsewhere in the ground.

It's generally OK in that corner of the pontoon with the standing that happens now- so unless the club get a directive to stamp down on it, then there's probably not much point in pursuing it.
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Agree with that - there’s not much to take from the US’ take on soccerball (in particular those daft hockey style halfway line shootouts they had over there in the 90s) but some of their new football dedicated stadiums are really good. The one in Orlando stands out, which appears to be based on the traditional English ground layout with a massive terrace at one end.

[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13913l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13922l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium13916l.jpg[/img]
[img]https://www.footballgroundmap.com/data/photos/orlando-city-stadium28101l.jpg[/img]
No reason at all we couldn’t have something like this in this country.


I’ve been to see Orlando and stood on the terrace and whilst the atmosphere still feels false to some extent, you’re right, everything is set up right.

If you don’t like smoke bombs, drums, shouting and singing, don’t stand behind the goal. Simples. You get a wrist band on entry confirming you have a standing ticket but you’re free to roam the stadium (not including away section) and can see your mates etc.

The views are decent and around the city, recognised Orlando city pubs serve beer at the same prices, sell dedicated merchandise and everywhere is pedestrianised.

The game is excrement, it’s Americanised but they’re miles ahead in some aspects. My match day experience was better than anything I’ve had here…


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Sod that lol  takes me all my time to stand for a pee now lol
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Sorry to be a pedant, but we’ve never had safe standing in English football so they’re not bringing it back but thinking of introducing it.


Good pedantry. I didn't mean to infer that previous standing arrangements were particularly safe. I just don't proof-read my messages so well when I'm sitting on the khazi.
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In principle a great idea, and one I’m all for (on the odd occasion I actually get to a game!) but it reminds me of that bloke who owns the house on the m62 near Huddersfield. You’ve probably got (at least) 1 season ticket holder that has been sat in the same spot for 20 plus years that won’t want to move, and it’s their prerogative to have that right too. It would work better, imho, in the centre of the pontoon or maybe even the osmond corner.


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In principle a great idea, and one I’m all for (on the odd occasion I actually get to a game!) but it reminds me of that bloke who owns the house on the m62 near Huddersfield. You’ve probably got (at least) 1 season ticket holder that has been sat in the same spot for 20 plus years that won’t want to move, and it’s their prerogative to have that right too. It would work better, imho, in the centre of the pontoon or maybe even the osmond corner.


I’m the only person to ever sit in my seat and have a season ticket there since it became all seater, lower findus. If they wanna rip them out for safe standing they can…if people don’t like it move elsewhere if they wanna sit down.


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Plenty of room in BP to accommodate those who want to sit and stand. No doubt there will be some grumbles from those who grumbled about standing changing to seating 25 years ago. The atmosphere hasn’t been the same since the removal of standing and I can’t wait for it to come back. Needs to happen for away fans as well as home fans throughout the pyramid.
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Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
In principle a great idea, and one I’m all for (on the odd occasion I actually get to a game!) but it reminds me of that bloke who owns the house on the m62 near Huddersfield. You’ve probably got (at least) 1 season ticket holder that has been sat in the same spot for 20 plus years that won’t want to move, and it’s their prerogative to have that right too. It would work better, imho, in the centre of the pontoon or maybe even the osmond corner.


Interestingly, the commonly believed story about that farmhouse on the M62 isn’t true. The farmer didn’t refuse to move, it just wasn’t practical to build the road on that piece of land…

https://propermanchester.com/feature/the-real-story-behind-the-house-in-the-middle-of-the-m62/


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Can we trust the football family to respect safe standing? . I doubt  it . If a section of the ground is standing then most of the knuckle heads will stand too in non safe standing areas . I guarantee it
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Same as now then, just safer for some?

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Can we trust the football family to respect safe standing? . I doubt  it . If a section of the ground is standing then most of the knuckle heads will stand too in non safe standing areas . I guarantee it


flipping hell, I bet you’re a barrel of laughs at a party…


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Interestingly, the commonly believed story about that farmhouse on the M62 isn’t true. The farmer didn’t refuse to move, it just wasn’t practical to build the road on that piece of land…

https://propermanchester.com/feature/the-real-story-behind-the-house-in-the-middle-of-the-m62/


They may not have been able to build on that section of land due to a fault line, but they offered to buy his farm for way above market value and he refused. He's been on the local news lots of times over the years saying as much.
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