Hillsborough - Again No Justice

Quoted from fishboyUTM

No justice? You ever thought the accused now elderly men may be innocent? Mistakes were made that day by the police, no doubt. But were Liverpool fans blame free? At the time Liverpool fans in particular travelled the country and beyond and it was a badge of honour to get there by train without paying or jump the turnstiles.

They should have thought about that when they were falsifying records.

Besides if their own leadership had dealt with it properly near the time they could have had their day in court and either cleared or prosecuted.

The other thing that people like you fail to recognise is that people at the front weren't responsible for being crushed. 96 people didn't jump over the turnstyles, climb over thousands of people and squeeze into the front did they? flipping engage your brain before blaming the fans.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

No justice? You ever thought the accused now elderly men may be innocent? Mistakes were made that day by the police, no doubt. But were Liverpool fans blame free? At the time Liverpool fans in particular travelled the country and beyond and it was a badge of honour to get there by train without paying or jump the turnstiles.

Care to send a copy of this post to the Liverpool Echo?

Besides fishboy, the public inquiry has already shown that the crush wasn't caused by people jumping the turnstiles, and that the police officers falsified their accounts. Fuckin amazing how you still believe the lies despite the evidence.

I, along with many, love mocking scousers...but, in this case, the club/fans are irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who it was, the simple fact is once again those responsible are being protected or are simply being allowed to get away with it...

Jumping trains or turnstiles or not, it’s been proven that South Yorkshire’s not so finest copulated up.

Hate to say it but probably time to let it go now . A perfect storm of incompetence from the police, an archaic ground not safe for the numbers and with a previous near disaster on its record and a group of fans who had disregard for behaviour.
All very sad and a day that football will never forget . Unfortunately fans who just wanted to be there for the football were the ones who payed the ultimate price .

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Hate to say it but probably time to let it go now . A perfect storm of incompetence from the police, an archaic ground not safe for the numbers and with a previous near disaster on its record and a group of fans who had disregard for behaviour.
All very sad and a day that football will never forget . Unfortunately fans who just wanted to be there for the football were the ones who payed the ultimate price .

You’d hope if 96 town fans were unlawfully killed due to the fúck ups of, say Doddsy and Nick Dale (hypothetically speaking), and then the whole thing was covered up by the police, government and the press, that nobody ever said “ah just let it go”.

After all, town fans don’t have the best reputation, we’ve all seen the behaviour of pìssed up town fans on our travels, and I remember at Alfreton at least town fans steaming through open gates and turnstiles staffed by kids.

It it was your kids or mates asphyxiated, crushed under dead bodies or just left without treatment to die on the pitch while the police literally turned their backs and stood on the half way line, would you let it go?

There but for the grace of god & all that...

Quoted from DB

Care to send a copy of this post to the Liverpool Echo?

I've my own opinion and I won't be shouted down. Liverpool fans were not blameless that day. They have been involved in other disasters of their own making. I'm not saying it was all them at Hillsborough, but I won't accept they are blameless either. They want their scapegoats, and no doubt their compo.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I've my own opinion and I won't be shouted down. Liverpool fans were not blameless that day. They have been involved in other disasters of their own making. I'm not saying it was all them at Hillsborough, but I won't accept they are blameless either. They want their scapegoats, and no doubt their compo.

You believe they are motivated by money?

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I've my own opinion and I won't be shouted down. Liverpool fans were not blameless that day. They have been involved in other disasters of their own making. I'm not saying it was all them at Hillsborough, but I won't accept they are blameless either. They want their scapegoats, and no doubt their compo.

I am not against you having an opinion, all of us are entitled to our opinion. it is what free speech is all about.

The problem at Hillsborough was that the gates were opened, although the ground was full, and let 100's of more fans in. The people responsible then tried to hide their actions which caused the death of the 96 fans.

There are accidents which cause people's deaths through circumstance that cannot be foreseen. Hillsborough was not one of those cases as the number trying to get in far exceeded the capacity.

'In his initial statement given in 1989, Mr. Marsh claimed a uniformed officer had told him and his colleagues to open the gate, but it was police themselves who had actually opened it. The court heard he was shown CCTV footage last year appearing to show it was actually him who opened the gate.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-31416821

This is only a small part of the evidence but shows how one person denied any knowledge of wrongdoing until CCTV proved him wrong.

As you say, you have your opinions and won't be shouted down. If you feel that strongly about it write, email, or post in the Liverpool Echo and see what the people of Liverpool have to say.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

I've my own opinion and I won't be shouted down. Liverpool fans were not blameless that day. They have been involved in other disasters of their own making. I'm not saying it was all them at Hillsborough, but I won't accept they are blameless either. They want their scapegoats, and no doubt their compo.

The inquests which ended in 2016 not only found that the 96 were unlawfully killed, but also concluded that the conduct of Liverpool supporters DID NOT contribute to the disaster. You can have your own opinion, but you would do well to reflect that a group of people who spent more than two years hearing evidence on what happened have the exact opposite view.