Mariners Trust update

the improvement in their communications continues with a very positive newsletter.

Several things of note, most notably they've had over 650 new members since 1878 took over, including over 100 juniors. Think that must mean that membership is close to 1500
Also they're hoping to do a Test event for the new Fan Zone by holding a beer festival there on 18 July

season tickets will be on sale from Monday 14 June; it mentions the discounts, but also a new 1878 members club will be announced soon, which sounds interesting

membership@marinerstrust.co.uk is the email address for those of who may wish to join

Beer Fest !!??!! Wahooooo

Those that subscribe to ifollow, make sure you cancel your subscription as all town vids are now going to be on the youtube channel.

https://twitter.com/MarinersTrust/status/1396087438091735040?s=20

Thanks for that! I would have not bothered cancelling had you not mentioned it.

Quoted from Sigone

Those that subscribe to ifollow, make sure you cancel your subscription as all town vids are now going to be on the youtube channel.

https://twitter.com/MarinersTrust/status/1396087438091735040?s=20

Is that a significant change Simons? What's the rationale for that?

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

Quoted from realist

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say.

What do you want to say? Please share. Now is your time to shine.

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

If your not happy I suggest that you do the following as per Trust Rules

"Motions to be formally raised at a members meeting must be
seconded by a member and submitted to the Trust Secretary 7
before the meeting in order for the motion to be added to the
agenda."

That is the way to change things, not come on here moaning about it!

Anyone else think 1878 members club sounds a bit seedy? Or is it just my warped mind?  

Quoted from forza ivano

Is that a significant change Simons? What's the rationale for that?

You can’t use iFollow in the National League, it’s an EFL platform

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

You can literally email them whenever you like and they usually respond fairly quickly. There has also been a vote on who was on the board of the Trust within the last 6 weeks.

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

I can understand that processes can be confusing but fan elected directors are exactly that as board representatives on the Trust Board.

There is a document on the trust website http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Supporter-Director-role.pdf which gives further information on it.

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

Dear oh dear. How many people directly elect the cabinet? I think it was one at the last count. If it’s a democratic deficit you’re worried about then that’s a bigger target.

Or how about your head of state? The only elector in that election is an imaginary person.

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

You have no authority here, John Fenty.

Will the club be streaming matches online next season? Would be a shame for the exiles (particularly those abroad) to no longer be able to watch Town (and also to cut off a revenue stream).

Quoted from davmariner

Will the club be streaming matches online next season? Would be a shame for the exiles (particularly those abroad) to no longer be able to watch Town (and also to cut off a revenue stream).

I believe streaming of matches in the NL was only allowed this season because of no fans being allowed into the ground.

In normal seasons I think it is against the League rules to live stream matches.

Quoted from realist

I think the way the new trust board is behaving is disgraceful.

I fell for the "join the trust, have a say", but find I have no say. The fans elected board member is not elected by the fans. This board is mirroring Fenty in their use of executive powers,  What do you think?

There is a time and place for everything.

Now is not the time as the club has new owners and moving forward with transparency and improvements at a fast pace. This has not happened before and the club was kept under tyrannical control to the extent that trust members on the board were gagged using company law.

The trust is now more than ever involved with passing news onto the membership via zoom, emails, etc. Fans had a democratical election to the Trust board which was overseen by, I believe Hull Supporters Trust chairman, so everything in the election had an independent supervisor.

Once the board has been elected, by the membership, they then delegate/decided which elected member on the board does what job. This normal procedure in any type of organisation.

Finally, if you have a complaint about the trust surely you should contact the Trust first, via email, with the details of your complaint. If you have not put in your complaint to the Trust then it doesn't exist as it will not be recorded, and you have not given the trust the opportunity to reply.

It all a bit like complaining about council serves in the GT but not writing to the council. Get things off your chest by all means but there is a proper way to do it.

As I said there is a time and place for everything.

Everybody knows that 'realist' is just a troll.  He should be ignored permanently.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

If your not happy I suggest that you do the following as per Trust Rules

"Motions to be formally raised at a members meeting must be
seconded by a member and submitted to the Trust Secretary 7
before the meeting in order for the motion to be added to the
agenda."

That is the way to change things, not come on here moaning about it!

Well first anyone can ask for an item to be put on the agenda and it does NOT have to  be seconded.So if your going to come on here please come on with the facts and not tripe.You can add anything in the agenda prior to the meeting as long as the board agree to it

Quoted from forza ivano

1878 members club will be announced soon, which sounds interesting

I'm hoping for a cheese room

Quoted from arryarryarry

I believe streaming of matches in the NL was only allowed this season because of no fans being allowed into the ground.

In normal seasons I think it is against the League rules to live stream matches.

I'm hoping that this season has moved the goal posts on this a bit. Live streaming hasn't been allowed previously due to the fear of taking people away from attending matches at stadiums, as far as I'm aware. This season, despite how crap it's been, has been great as an exile being able to watch Town. I'd pay full ticket price to stream matches, if that was the option. That way people locally won't be discouraged to attend (if you're paying full price and in the area you're gonna watch it at Blundell Park) and people who live further away can still watch. Or how about included in the price of a season was a live stream of every match for those that can't attend? It's a broadcasting/legal issue, but this season has proven that the demand is there across the divisions. Clubs not being able to provide this service essentially means they're missing out on revenue.

Quoted from davmariner

Will the club be streaming matches online next season? Would be a shame for the exiles (particularly those abroad) to no longer be able to watch Town (and also to cut off a revenue stream).

As I have said before, whilst in no way would I like to cut attendances down, there are people who are exiles and those who are aged or not well enough to attend games, who would pay a fair sum of money to watch a streamed game. At the age of 72 and with quite severe arthritis, I would pay the full match fee to watch, giving a sum of money that sadly the club wouldn't get normally.

I have just looked and BT Sport have got the rights to stream National League games for the next 3 years, which means unless they up just streaming one game each Saturday, or week night, the Mariners will not be appearing many times per season.  

Oh and all the best for the Trust and Sandii seems to be doing a great job as [secretary?].  

Quoted from Mallyner

As I have said before, whilst in no way would I like to cut attendances down, there are people who are exiles and those who are aged or not well enough to attend games, who would pay a fair sum of money to watch a streamed game. At the age of 72 and with quite severe arthritis, I would pay the full match fee to watch, giving a sum of money that sadly the club wouldn't get normally.

I have just looked and BT Sport have got the rights to stream National League games for the next 3 years, which means unless they up just streaming one game each Saturday, or week night, the Mariners will not be appearing many times per season.  

Oh and all the best for the Trust and Sandii seems to be doing a great job as [secretary?].  

Some of this is easily managed if the rights holder has the will (and probably some money!) - the MLB in the US streams all games live but you can't watch your local team play at home in a given 'territory'. I lived in south Pennsylvania so couldn't watch the Phillies at home. But could watch away games. But, I support Tampa Bay and so could watch all their games as I was classed as an 'exile' because I lived outside their territory. The stream was actually local TV coverage of the games delivered through the MLB app. As an aside, paying for the app monthly was a fraction of what it would have cost to attend games live.

This could be done so that if you live within (say) 30 miles of BP you can't watch home games. I bet they could also make exceptions for people who are, for example, registered disabled and wouldn't go to a game anyway.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Some of this is easily managed if the rights holder has the will (and probably some money!) - the MLB in the US streams all games live but you can't watch your local team play at home in a given 'territory'. I lived in south Pennsylvania so couldn't watch the Phillies at home. But could watch away games. But, I support Tampa Bay and so could watch all their games as I was classed as an 'exile' because I lived outside their territory. The stream was actually local TV coverage of the games delivered through the MLB app. As an aside, paying for the app monthly was a fraction of what it would have cost to attend games live.

This could be done so that if you live within (say) 30 miles of BP you can't watch home games. I bet they could also make exceptions for people who are, for example, registered disabled and wouldn't go to a game anyway.

The exiles thing has merit but unfortunately if it is available on the Internet for those registered as disabled say, then friends and family can come round and all watch it for the price of just one ticket, so it would effect attendances and income

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Some of this is easily managed if the rights holder has the will (and probably some money!) - the MLB in the US streams all games live but you can't watch your local team play at home in a given 'territory'. I lived in south Pennsylvania so couldn't watch the Phillies at home. But could watch away games. But, I support Tampa Bay and so could watch all their games as I was classed as an 'exile' because I lived outside their territory. The stream was actually local TV coverage of the games delivered through the MLB app. As an aside, paying for the app monthly was a fraction of what it would have cost to attend games live.

This could be done so that if you live within (say) 30 miles of BP you can't watch home games. I bet they could also make exceptions for people who are, for example, registered disabled and wouldn't go to a game anyway.

I am sure that when the EFL were only showing live night games on Ifollow there where many able to scam the system to watch Saturday games here in the UK.

BT Sport are showing 25 NL games a season, the rest of the footage of games has to be filmed by the home club and sent in to the media centre after the game as opposed to the EFL where live footage was sent in to their media centre as the game was played .  

Quoted from toontown

The exiles thing has merit but unfortunately if it is available on the Internet for those registered as disabled say, then friends and family can come round and all watch it for the price of just one ticket, so it would effect attendances and income

Yep, if I had a subscription there would be a queue from my front door to the next postcode of friends and family desperate to share the nerve shredding excitement of Town v Wealdstone on a Tuesday night in February.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Yep, if I had a subscription there would be a queue from my front door to the next postcode of friends and family desperate to share the nerve shredding excitement of Town v Wealdstone on a Tuesday night in February.

But thats not the point I was making - it isn't that loads of people who are otherwise disinterested would suddenly be watching it online. Its that for people who might normally go to town v Wealdstone,if its on a cold wet night in Feb might actually prefer to watch it indoors for a fraction of the price and have supermarket price beers instead of a full price ticket and full price pint each, by popping to a friends house.

Its not the 'excitement' of town v Wealdstone, its the savings of not paying full price and not having to go out in the elements.

Not saying the effects would be huge but overall it might work out negative.

Whilst I understand the streaming games thing for exiles etc, streaming for folk who live locally, excluding those with disabilities for example seems a challenge in many ways. I guess there’s arguments for and against.

Surely though, if this season has taught us anything it is that watching football, watching your club on the TV is boring. I know a Lincoln fan, has been all his life, they’re on the cusp of arguably completing their best season ever and he’s said he’s still never felt more detached from his club.

I know armchair/premier league fans can provide multiple excuses and reasons for not physically going but they can’t be as connected to their club, can’t be.

This season has been shite for so many reasons, not being at the ground being a main one.

So whilst I do think an option to stream would be worthwhile, aside from the odd Tuesday night away game when I can’t leave work early enough, I’ll pass...

I live 90 miles away and watched 34 games last season, most seasons l physically manage to get to no more than 12 games a season, mainly away games. I would value the chance to watch games whatever the cost. And my 9t year old father who no longer is able to attend matches was able to watch too.