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Larry Grayson and the rest of his generation of entertainers were camp as hell and funny with it without the modern day need to ram it down your throat and say "I'm gay, deal with it" which seems the want these days.
Those entertainers came through shining in an era where there was actually a very hostile atmosphere directed at them and they had to work bloody hard to win over a huge percentage of their audience.
People can bang on that the country hasn't moved on about race and sexuality issuses but anyone around in the the 60's or 70's will tell you it damn well has.
It has. Probably more on sexuality than race IMO. Still more to be done though. If you'd asked me in 1970 would there still be racism 50 years in the future, I'd have naively said no. Makes my blood boil and I don't have to face it. |
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| Lincoln Mariner 56 |
| December 10, 2020, 10:56pm |
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Not forgetting Liberace and John Inman. It was certainly ok to be overtly gay in " the good old days" (Not the show The Good Old Days which was also camp as Christmas), but a man in a dress, that's just wrong. Lily Savage has gone straight and now fiddles with dogs.
Mind you, it was mostly from the era when the Black and White Minstrel Show, Alf Garnett and Love Thy Neighbour ruled the airwaves. All good clean fun, but a man in a dress and dancing is just beyond the pale.
You forgot my favourite from that era Ginny, “ Mind your language” priceless stereotyping of different races learning to speak English, I used to think it was hilarious. |
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| Lincoln Mariner 56 |
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Not forgetting Liberace and John Inman. It was certainly ok to be overtly gay in " the good old days" (Not the show The Good Old Days which was also camp as Christmas), but a man in a dress, that's just wrong. Lily Savage has gone straight and now fiddles with dogs.
Mind you, it was mostly from the era when the Black and White Minstrel Show, Alf Garnett and Love Thy Neighbour ruled the airwaves. All good clean fun, but a man in a dress and dancing is just beyond the pale.
You forgot my favourite from that era Ginny, “ Mind your language” priceless stereotyping of different races learning to speak English, I used to think it was hilarious. |
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| TheRonRaffertyFanClub |
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Not forgetting Liberace and John Inman. It was certainly ok to be overtly gay in " the good old days" (Not the show The Good Old Days which was also camp as Christmas), but a man in a dress, that's just wrong. Lily Savage has gone straight and now fiddles with dogs.
Mind you, it was mostly from the era when the Black and White Minstrel Show, Alf Garnett and Love Thy Neighbour ruled the airwaves. All good clean fun, but a man in a dress and dancing is just beyond the pale.
Being gay and being on the stage were thought synonymous at one time. Watching last night how people like Kenneth Williams were able to be relatively open about it in the Army by joining the ENSA and the like. Hence It Ain’t Half Hot Mum. Alf Garnett was of course a satire by Johnny Speight who was partly amused and partly upset when it was taken seriously. He even introduced a gay black carer for Alf in the later series. |
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| FishOutOfWater |
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It has. Probably more on sexuality than race IMO. Still more to be done though. If you'd asked me in 1970 would there still be racism 50 years in the future, I'd have naively said no. Makes my blood boil and I don't have to face it.
If only Blue Mink's "Melting Pot" had influenced folk a bit more eh? Or Hot Chocolate's "Brother Louie" as well |
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