Vernam

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Yes why would a football club take the advice of its governing body its madnes I say!!

You mean a football club and also it's fans should accept what the EFL say.

Does that mean we should all be happy about the EFL Trophy now and support it by attending?

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

It would be nice to hear from the club -  without waffle -  what actually happened here & why ?

Contract negotiations are sensitive and always done in private, which is how it should be. Once a decision is reached and the player signs his contract, then it becomes common knowledge.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

I think this is a real shame, I am sure the club did not forget to extend his contract, because nobody, not even Grimsby town could be that moronic, but let’s have a look at the bigger picture.

We are in the same boat as everybody else, nobody has any facking money, especially those in league one and two. League one clubs will be poaching decent league two players on league two money and With this in mind, we really need to take advantage of struggling national league clubs, and take decent players from cash-strapped clubs for as little as possible.

Lower league players will either have to take a dramatic cut in salary when signing for new club, or national league players wanting to make that step up have the opportunity to do so......

Not everyone else, most, but not everyone. Other clubs have gone beyond solely cutting costs to the bone and have been plugging the income gap with fresh investment. I have also seen that the EFL are presently looking at sixteen potential takeovers over the three divisions. Let's not get too comfy in believing every other club is in our position or acting in the same way. Some will be a lot worse, some will be the same and some will be a lot better off respectively. I believe we've got the best club in the country for knowing how to cut costs and manage expenditure but i hope in the background they're also working hard to find ways to engage with people who can plug the income gap so when football starts again we've got a head start on others and not playing catch up for a few seasons. The attraction of playing for IH will mitigate our position somewhat but others are thinking outside of the box to get ahead, I hope our board are considering the same and trying to engage with others that may significantly improve our position..

I think the board have played this a little fast and loose with our most saleable asset and the player that gets fans out of their seats the most. Forget asking the EFL for advice to try and save a few quid, just get the job done at the pre-agreed contract wage level. To secure CV, what would it have cost the club over the period of non football? 20k, 30k or 50k? What were we trying to save by offering lower terms than agreed? 10k, 20k? Or just trying to delay in paying him the extra year? Was it worth the risk of losing a player that could be worth 50 times that if his form continued? Yet the player gets all the criticism for wanting to maximise his income and further his ambitions after being messed around and the club and IH wear the halo? Forget the current circumstances, our board have got form for letting our prized assets get away. Our default position cannot be cut, cut and cut again, it's akin to selling the club to an asset stripper. The board need to think and act quickly to get us out of this mindset and prevent these situations happening. Cutting costs is not the only play to be made, raising fresh investment is another..

We seem to have shot ourselves in the foot with the player wage cut just as agents were touting their wares. As Bigdog says, some clubs are thinking ' out of the box' while we take to the bunker. Lincoln sign Jamie Jones from under the nose of Crewe. CV was born in Lincoln.  Do Lincoln have a temporary wage cut? Have we shackled Ollie in the current signing window?
CV knew Jamie Buxton from his spell at Derby and knows the Midlands well. Why would he not talk to Burton after finding himself out of contract? I am so disappointed with this turn of events and the tone of Ollies comments re a possible court case with the EFL. A negative vibe running counter to all the positivity around shares and crowdfunding. I hope we haven't spooked Vernam and Clarke through an apparent lack of vision and rabbit in the headlights inactivity. They need more than a belief in the Holloway blarney.

Quoted from Bigdog

I think the board have played this a little fast and loose with our most saleable asset and the player that gets fans out of their seats the most. Forget asking the EFL for advice to try and save a few quid, just get the job done at the pre-agreed contract wage level. To secure CV, what would it have cost the club over the period of non football? 20k, 30k or 50k? What were we trying to save by offering lower terms than agreed? 10k, 20k? Was it worth the risk of losing a player that could be worth 50 times that if his form continued? Yet the player gets all the criticism for wanting to maximise his income and further his ambitions after being messed around and the club and IH wear the halo? Forget the current circumstances, our board have got form for letting our prized assets get away. Our default position cannot be cut, cut and cut again, it's akin to selling the club to an asset stripper. The board need to think and act quickly to get us out of this mindset and prevent these situations happening. Cutting costs is not the only play to be made, raising fresh investment is another..

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

Quoted from Posh Harry

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

How would anyone know outside of the player, his agent and the board? A deal could have been done to include a 25% cut, faux or not. But yes, let's do the Grimsby thing and not invest. Let's not sign any player at all just in case he gets injured. Let's not prevent players getting to free agent status time and time again because we lack vision and tight as a badger's squeaky a-hole. Let's only cut costs and not look at bringing fresh capital in. CV had one injury in his two years with us and only got a decent run in the side after his loan spell. He's shown more than enough to be considered as a future saleable asset..

Quoted from Posh Harry

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

Ollie, Anthony Limbrick and thousands of fans do not share you lukewarm assessment of CV. I saw him play his heart out for Chorley at Chesterfield in an attempt to prove Jolley wrong. AL recalled him instantly and the rest is history. CV, unlike Max, is not a product of Towns academy and has tasted life at bigger clubs in the Midlands. G.T.F.C. should have foreseen his vulnerability to outside offers in lockdown and been more proactive than a call to the EFL. The best we can hope for is a stay of his registration elsewhere whilst the legality of EFL advice is challenged. If we have nothing on paper re this 'advice' then it's a member up.

Meanwhile Ipswich Town without a pot to urine in given their losses and the owners refusal to loosen the purse strings have yesterday taken up their one year option on Jon Nolan, recognising him as an asset to be retained as long as possible.

It was only a few months ago that the board were making lip-quivering  justications re any takeover that the potential buyers should provide evidence of funds to protect the club in the event of a downturn in fortunes.. and rightly so. I would have expected that figure to be in the region of 1 to 2mill. That's pretty much the temporary blackhole we'll encounter right now which will in the most part be filled once we get going again. And this is the hypocrisy of it.. where is our current board's wherewithal to get us through this downturn in fortunes? That's the standard they set everyone else but it doesn't apply to them. Where is the club's protection? Where are the leaders? Closing their bunker doors and blaming everyone else including a player that they tried to chip 10 or 20k at most off his contract or the very least delay in paying him? But yes.. the fans who again have raised 100k for the club will pay the cost by missing out on watching Vernam play.

I'm waiting for the evidence of funds from our board. You can't set a standard without living up to it yourselves..Any other rich Town fans that could be asked to help out have been chased off in the past, so bridges burned there because there's never been a collegiate approach. And before people point to the JF loan, let's not get going down the non-league 3mill argument all over again. At any given moment in time, any board, present or future, in our own current board's words, should provide evidence of funds in the event of a downturn. Well.. where is it?