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Started as a 4-4-2 and vose initially looked poor and out the game. He was getting frustrated at not getting on the ball. There was even a moment where Shaun Pearson played s dangerous looking pass and Vose had a pop. Pearson gestured to tell him to run into the channel so he could play it long. You could see the frustration in Vose sttaight away who had a moan, waved his arms and rsn off swearing to himself because he was frustrated at Pearson wanting to play the easy or lazy long ball. You can see there's a footballer in there and we need to play to their strengths (not long ball). This one moment yesterday just made it all the clearer than we need a more technical centre half who is more comfortable on the ball.
Think it was on about 25-30 minutes they pushed vose more centrally and asked Danny Andrew to push up and Diz to sit back to protect the back 4. We were playing a very lopsided formation for the majority. There was a clear moment in the game where Vose looked a different player and it was all about moving him central.
Vose centrally clearly works and links up with Bogle better than anyone. Playing as we did yesterday leaves us dangerously exposed down the left though.
Don't think Jackson had his best game yesterday (bar the link up play for Bogle 2nd). I'd much prefer to see Vose playing behind Bogle centrally and having 2 natural wingers with Chambers/Browne/Bolorinwa as think anyone with pace or power in this league will prove to be the difference
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Will have to watch again on mariners player, if I am wrong I will be happy to admit it.
But Vose looked clearly further forward than the other midfield 3 to me (altho perhaps that is just his attacking preference) and certainly he was inwards plenty of the time, and bogle further back than Jackson.
Maybe it was only after 25 mins or so tho.
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Best part of football is how we all see it slightly differently  as long as we're winning Hurst csn play whatever formation he wants lol |
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I think everyone is right to a degree. It deffo looked like 442 first 30 mins, but then either Vose started playing a bit more centrally, or our team realised how comfortable he is on the ball with apparently no space and seemed happier to get it to him even when "marked" which was often from a more central starting position. His close control and ability to walk around players in the second half was fantastic to watch, and for the older posters reminded me a bit of Eddie Gray from the 70's Leeds team |
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Yeah having seen it again it isn't a 4-3-2-1 to be fair, altho vose isn't always playing a conventional wide left of 4-4-2 either. Vose just spends a fair bit of the game quite inward, occasionally so far inward he's on the right. Must have just caught my attention when he came inward, which tbf was when he was getting the ball and doing some good stuff.
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If you look at top teams they always have a player or 2 that they allow to interchange position like payet at West Ham or courthino @ Liverpool I believe players win games more than playing system if we can keep vose and bogle on the front foot they. Will entertain and get us winning more than we lose
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If you look at top teams they always have a player or 2 that they allow to interchange position like payet at West Ham or courthino @ Liverpool I believe players win games more than playing system if we can keep vose and bogle on the front foot they. Will entertain and get us winning more than we lose
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If you look at top teams they always have a player or 2 that they allow to interchange position like payet at West Ham or courthino @ Liverpool I believe players win games more than playing system if we can keep vose and bogle on the front foot they. Will entertain and get us winning more than we lose
Most teams that play 4-4-2 especially at the highest level rarely play with 2 out-and-out wingers. It's a luxury they can rarely afford because it puts more pressure in the 2 centre mids. 4-2-3-1 seems to be used more as it gives a chance for the full-backs to get forward more but still have cover from the 2 mids in front of the back four. |
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Interesting thread this one, and I'm with the majority; looked a bog-standard 4-4-2 to me. I was hoping at the start of the season Hurst would adopt a 4-2-3-1 with some midfield guile in there, but if 4-4-2 gets the best out of Bogle then that's the way forward. Maybe 3 in the centre of midfield just isn't needed at this level, although I'd be tempted to do it if (God forbid) Bogle is unavailable at any time. Thankfully we've got a manager who knows better than we do! He knows what he's doing.
By the way, if Bogle plays like that often then he'll be gone in January, I've not seen an individual performance of such quality in many a year. Dozens of clubs wouldn't blink at spending £1m+ for a striker who can turn it on like that regularly......
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as long as we're winning Hurst csn play whatever formation he wants lol