In or out?

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We only need one choice for this poll!

If this is what stats give us and that is the way forward, God help us.

No one would want Steve Evans but a bit of old school grit, fight and common sense ala Neil
Warnock ( if only) is desperately required…..NOW

They should be in the changing room now sacking the buffoon.

Out. flipping out.

Do not pass go do not collect £200

I think after todays result there is no other option but for David Artell to go, he’s made us worse and so predictable, he’s not willing to change the style (which isn’t suiting Grimsby at all) we’ve just been battered by a team that are so poor themselves at the moment, we just can not go down again

We keep saying this but maybe, just maybe we've finally hit on the worst manager of all time.

I voted in and I'm not going to hide it.

We already knew we couldn't play with Green in the team. Thompson was key and is injured. It was ominous before it started. Ultimately, if an attacking manager and a defensive manager cannot get a tune out of this squad, it's likely a squad issue. You don't fix that by firing managers.

Yes, today sucked. We conceded every shot on target and an extra OG to boot, but Accrington shows the squad can do something under DA. I'm far away, so don't know the atmosphere atm, but I'm guessing home environment isn't a strength right now.

A new manager still means the same players.

We are reliant on FG and Sutton not catching us.

If we are relegated and people at the club genuinely believe Artell can have us playing attractive, attacking and successful football in the NL, with a chance of automatic promotion, I could understand him not being sacked.

If they don’t believe in Artell being able to do that, he should be sacked this week.

And at the end of the season this group of players can go fück themselves (with the exception of Rose and the young lads).

Quoted from HistonMariner

If this is what stats give us and that is the way forward, God help us.

No one would want Steve Evans but a bit of old school grit, fight and common sense ala Neil
Warnock ( if only) is desperately required…..NOW

You mean no one on the fishy!
Steve Evan’s would of been a brilliant manager, but he’s too old school for many on here definitely no B corp material.

Quoted from HistonMariner

If this is what stats give us and that is the way forward, God help us.

No one would want Steve Evans but a bit of old school grit, fight and common sense ala Neil
Warnock ( if only) is desperately required…..NOW

You mean no one on the fishy!
Steve Evan’s would of been a brilliant manager, but he’s too old school for many on here definitely not B corp material.

Sack this clown he’s lost our useless players and the fans it’s over.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

I voted in and I'm not going to hide it.
Yes, today sucked. We conceded every shot on target and an extra OG to boot, but Accrington shows the squad can do something under DA. I'm far away, so don't know the atmosphere atm, but I'm guessing home environment isn't a strength right now.

A new manager still means the same players.

The only reason we looked better at Accrington is we'd signed new players the day before. Artell hadn't had time to work with them. The more time he spends with them the worse they get. He's a total liability that ruins players and decimates team spirit.

Quoted from GrimRob

The only reason we looked better at Accrington is we'd signed new players the day before. Artell hadn't had time to work with them. The more time he spends with them the worse they get. He's a total liability that ruins players and decimates team spirit.

Is that the same as Hurst also?

How is it the managers fault if multiple failed to get anything out of these players?

Even the Stockport match, Hume looked like a machine. You can have a bad result and positives to show for it.

We clearly missed Thompson today.

We didn’t play out from the back much, but I have no idea and blatantly obvious the players don’t know what the hell they’re doing. We are in deep excrement and no mistake …….

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Is that the same as Hurst also?

How is it the managers fault if multiple failed to get anything out of these players?

Even the Stockport match, Hume looked like a machine. You can have a bad result and positives to show for it.

We clearly missed Thompson today.

Oh open your eyes for christ sake. We’re flipping garbage and this idiot in charge has made us worse

Quoted from Hagrid

Oh open your eyes for christ sake. We’re flipping garbage and this idiot in charge has made us worse

Before he came in, how many did we lose on the bounce? How are we worse?

Yeah, we've had some bad home results, and more people see it, but I do not believe our points per game is worse. I stand to be corrected on this, of course.

I can’t think of a more unpopular manager after so few games. Newell comes closest. Even Slade II had nostalgia!

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Before he came in, how many did we lose on the bounce? How are we worse?

Yeah, we've had some bad home results, and more people see it, but I do not believe our points per game is worse. I stand to be corrected on this, of course.

Even if the stats under Hurst are comparable points wise, we were losing leads by the odd goal.  It needed tweaking.  It's much harder to turn around 5 or 6 goal deficits. Especially as the common knowledge in footballing circles is that you have an advantage at home.

Quoted from Mayaman

Even if the stats under Hurst are comparable points wise, we were losing leads by the odd goal.  It needed tweaking.  It's much harder to turn around 5 or 6 goal deficits. Especially as the common knowledge in footballing circles is that you have an advantage at home.

Depends. Players were responding to fans pushing for them to boot it a few games ago. That doesn't sound an advantage right now.

DA said we're inconsistent between games and even within games. After this abysmal performance, we'll probably go out looking semi-competent. As is us and football atm.

Wasn’t sold on him from the start (to much derision for not being) and think he’s been a disaster. So still out.

The 4 voting in will be Scunthorpe fans.

I’ll be honest. I’m usually quite late to call for a manager to go.. call it happy clapping or whatever. However he has to go. This isn’t losing by the odd goal - it’s getting battered every week.

We have a 6 point gap and games in hand, owners have to make a decision before it’s to late.

Quoted from Phil the cod

The 4 voting in will be Scunthorpe fans.

No. Just people that also don't like this, but have realised the question isn't "are you angry and do you want to take it out on the current guy", but "if you remove this guy, and bring someone else in to manage these same players, will it improve the situation".

It isn't good right now, but I don't think many are going to get a result out of this team, and at least DA got decent performances out of us at MK, Accrington, and Notts County.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Just different grass.

I heard that someone threw their Season ticket at him

Artell’s position is simply indefensible at this point. Will expand on that later, but that’s the long and the short of it.

Has to go, and go now.

Just been on Humberside with my thoughts

Out. Out tonight

Quoted from Hagrid

Just been on Humberside with my thoughts

Out. Out tonight

Well said. I reckon Derek Adams could be tempted until the EOS.

Quoted from Hagrid

Just been on Humberside with my thoughts

Out. Out tonight

You did a good job and said what most on here think.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

I voted in and I'm not going to hide it.

We already knew we couldn't play with Green in the team. Thompson was key and is injured. It was ominous before it started. Ultimately, if an attacking manager and a defensive manager cannot get a tune out of this squad, it's likely a squad issue. You don't fix that by firing managers.

Yes, today sucked. We conceded every shot on target and an extra OG to boot, but Accrington shows the squad can do something under DA. I'm far away, so don't know the atmosphere atm, but I'm guessing home environment isn't a strength right now.

A new manager still means the same players.

I voted "in" but I fear the tide is sweeping him away. I like Artell but coming in mid-season and trying to implement a new style is proving disastrous, particularly at home.

If Artell had arrived in May, last year or this, things would have been very different; for this season or next. But as things are I can understand the strident calls for his dismissal though I'd like him to have been given more time. Less then three months is no time to judge someone, particularly a man who did a decent job at Crewe.

Quoted from ROKERITE

I voted "in" but I fear the tide is sweeping him away. I like Artell but coming in mid-season and trying to implement a new style is proving disastrous, particularly at home.

If Artell had arrived in May, last year or this, things would have been very different; for this season or next. But as things are I can understand the strident calls for his dismissal though I'd like him to have been given more time. Less then three months is no time to judge someone, particularly a man who did a decent job at Crewe.

The problem is, the new style gave us MK, Accrington, and Notts County. Yes, we've had many bad results, but 3 wins and a few draws on the board will probably give use a good position to survive. Meaning we need 5 reasonable results in about 13 games.

Before that, under Hurst, the old percentages, defensive football just gave us repeated losses with no hope. I think he has to persist, but have a feeling any points we pick up will probably be away from home, if home becomes more toxic. It's going to be an unpopular point, but I'd take all losses at home if we got those points away and saved our behind from relegation.

The squad we have is not good enough and requires major surgery in the summer. If we bring in a long ball specialist, he'll be building a long ball team in the summer also. Things aren't good, but no option looks great right now.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

I voted in and I'm not going to hide it.

We already knew we couldn't play with Green in the team. Thompson was key and is injured. It was ominous before it started. Ultimately, if an attacking manager and a defensive manager cannot get a tune out of this squad, it's likely a squad issue. You don't fix that by firing managers.

Yes, today sucked. We conceded every shot on target and an extra OG to boot, but Accrington shows the squad can do something under DA. I'm far away, so don't know the atmosphere atm, but I'm guessing home environment isn't a strength right now.

A new manager still means the same players.

I have some sympathy with your perspective and my natural response would be to give a new manager time to have a fair crack of the whip, however, we have to take a long hard look at our predicament and decide what would give us the best chance of avoiding relegation.

What is undeniable is that things are going horribly wrong and DA seems incapable or unwilling to do something different to grind out results to make a change.

I wasn’t excited about his original appointment but once made was desperate for him to succeed. But the fact is he hasn’t and without some sort of change I’m afraid the writings on the wall.

This is clearly not working. If money is tight - have Pearson and Davies be joint managers for the rest of the season. They wouldn`t do as bad a job as Artell.

The poll says…

93% of us are Town fans, who are the other 7%??!?

I have spent 30 years following Town being ever the optimist, believing in the beauty of football that there are no rules to when and how a team can turn a corner, so even in our dark days I’ve always maintained a belief that a small tweak here or a bit of luck there and things will change for the better.

Today it doesn’t exist. I’ve been drained of any optimism whatsoever and it rests with the manager. I don’t think the squad is below par, I wholeheartedly believe it is capable of much more under the right guidance/instruction.

At full time I wasn’t really an ‘Artell Out’ person and there’s a part of me that reserved to go shouting it from the rooftops, not because I think he’ll turn it around but because when we’re in a rut this bad division won’t help, hard as it is be United.

The more I’ve thought on it though, the more I’m clutching to see what improvement has been made and if anything we’re going the wrong way.

Someone said something interesting on RH after the game, that the players looked like they revolted after going 2-0 down. It’s interesting because after half time - when DA gets chance to shake up - we came back out looking devoid of anything useful.

It’s hard to say the players are doing him in on the pitch, but I’m not seeing a team that is rallying for the manager or understand what he wants.

I think the fact we’re looking at Sutton and Forest Green with such focus tells us enough that even those who once had no fears of relegation (and I confess to myself being in that category) mean we need something to change.

Has he gone yet?

The other 7% are his family
Sack the chancer now.

Quoted from Germo66

I heard that someone threw their Sean ticket at him

It was quite volatile , the stewards and police were protecting him or whatever it is when they make a makeshift line .

Ok… *tin hat on*

Lincoln also spoke to Artell when we were both recruiting.

The feedback I got was theirs was the oddest interview possible. At times DA would come out with something and you’d think he was the second coming of Pep but in the next breath you’d think he’d never even watched a game of football in his life left alone managed. At the end Imp people were like ‘wtf I don’t know what just happened’. This was an informal chat and DA didn’t make the formal interview stage.

*Tin hat off*

Quoted from grassbandits

The poll says…

93% of us are Town fans, who are the other 7%??!?

Well I am technically a Sunderland supporter but every bad result you have is costing me money. To be selfish I'd probably be better off if Artell went tonight and somebody like Derek Adams came in tomorrow and started picking up points and stopped me hemorrhaging so much cash.
But I believe David Artell is a good manager/head coach and, like AncientExiledMariner, it is my opinion that longer term he could do a very good job and provide entertaining football for Grimsby supporters. It seems unlikely he's going to get a chance to show it.

Quoted from ROKERITE

I voted "in" but I fear the tide is sweeping him away. I like Artell but coming in mid-season and trying to implement a new style is proving disastrous, particularly at home.

If Artell had arrived in May, last year or this, things would have been very different; for this season or next. But as things are I can understand the strident calls for his dismissal though I'd like him to have been given more time. Less then three months is no time to judge someone, particularly a man who did a decent job at Crewe.

He is a good coach , but a good coach doesn't make a good manager .

I think he would be better going in to a job with a clean slate or with better technical players - he hasn't got them here .

I  actually feel sorry for the guy tbh ,but his lack of willing to change makes me feel he's too set in his ways to change or adapt which notches my sympathy down a tad .

Quoted from Mappers

He is a good coach , but a good coach doesn't make a good manager .

I think he would be better going in to a job with a clean slate or with better technical players - he hasn't got them here .

I  actually feel sorry for the guy tbh ,but his lack of willing to change makes me feel he's too set in his ways to change or adapt which notches my sympathy down a tad .

He is head coach. All the other managerial stuff is done by backroom staff.

Quoted from Germo66

I heard that someone threw their Sean ticket at him

Ye that correct.
It went over his head literally and metaphorically.

Damage is done, lost the players weeks ago apparently and he’s definitely lost the fans now. Not really sure where he can go from here, other than the exit door with a nice fat cheque in his back pocket.

This is dreadful, and if he does go now there’s an argument that he’s the clubs worst ever manager.

Agree that Artell has to go, he's not getting anything from them now, and depresses me to listen to, can't imagine what the players think.

Can we also agree the players are excrement. They got Hurst the sack, and DA soon too. People have said all season that they're more technical and that might be true, but they've been excrement.

Usually managers get the majority of the blame, but this is on the players for me baring Rose. Absolute excrement: no effort, no desire