Stockwood - Guardian - 13.08.22

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“For any players or agents reading this, I’d suggest that when thinking about a move, you assess not only the financial side of it but also the the culture of the organisation involved. The personal values and behaviours of owners will have a massive influence on how people are viewed and treated and will be a good indication of how commoditised and valued a player will be. One way to do this is to look at who controls the money, how they got it and how they act in their other businesses.”

Spot on
Shame that football authorities don’t have the same values

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2022/aug/13/while-money-is-a-huge-help-it-is-culture-that-drives-success-in-football[/url]

“For any players or agents reading this, I’d suggest that when thinking about a move, you assess not only the financial side of it but also the the culture of the organisation involved. The personal values and behaviours of owners will have a massive influence on how people are viewed and treated and will be a good indication of how commoditised and valued a player will be. One way to do this is to look at who controls the money, how they got it and how they act in their other businesses.”

Sounds a veiled dig at someone......

That's all very nice and dandy but agents don't give two fooks about all that, you can't take a percentage on culture.

Reality.

Quoted from smokey111

Sounds a veiled dig at someone......

Sounds like a dig at the majority of football club owners and a lot business owners.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

That's all very nice and dandy but agents don't give two fooks about all that, you can't take a percentage on culture.

Reality.

But if agents clients, the players, start to care about more than the pound notes, the agents have to start caring about them too.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

But if agents clients, the players, start to care about more than the pound notes, the agents have to start caring about them too.

It would be great to live in that world but we don't. Simples.

Let's concentrate on affecting the areas of change we can.

The intangibles of success (in terms of results) in football have always represented a challenge to definition. Compare the 2 Manchester clubs, both wealthy beyond measure, both with foreign owners, but also now at opposite ends of the 'success continuum'. Both have hugely successful Academy schemes, but the cultural divide could scarcely seem wider. Under Alex Ferguson, United's manager for 26 years and with Sir Matt Busby in the chair of the boardroom, the players, who were nurtured and grew up together, enjoyed immense success. Under the Glazers' ownership, distant and detached, and a succession of 'failed' managers, the team seems to be a rag bag of individual 'stars' but little cohesion amongst some big egos. At City, the owners, fossil fuel middle eastern super rich royalty, are nonetheless fully engaged with the club. Guardiola is a brilliant, proven coach and tactician who gets the team to play the 'Pep way' and the young stars are carefully schooled and only graduate to the first team when they are ready. Of course, the team is supplemented with expensive overseas players, but these seem hand-picked for their character as well as their ability. Players who can't seem to accept being dropped (Raheem Sterling springs to mind) are let go, perhaps to protect discipline elsewhere in the camp. i think these 2 examples of clubs matched for wealth, but not culture, lend support to Jason's thoughtful piece and suggest Town are going about their business the right, if more humble, way.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

It would be great to live in that world but we don't. Simples.

Let's concentrate on affecting the areas of change we can.

One area of change we can have a positive effect is culture surely? People are starting to talk positively about Stockwood as an owner and I'm sure word is spreading that this is a good place to come and play your football.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

One area of change we can have a positive effect is culture surely? People are starting to talk positively about Stockwood as an owner and I'm sure word is spreading that this is a good place to come and play your football.

Of course we can,  and I do agree culture is important and we could  possibly  create a usp for ourselves with a different style of offering but the reality is it will always have a marginal impact when faced with pay disparity.

Great I say go for it, I think JS is right in this respect, we can't compete on pay but we can try to compete in other ways. But  let's not conflate that with some kind of systemic change wherby agents actions and motivations change because I don't  think its remotely likely.

Let's take that to its logical  conclusion, let's say every club, every manager and every player starts to care more about the culture of a club. All clubs lift that ceiling across the whole system in response to demand. This higher standard becomes  the new norm. What differentiates one excellent organisational culture from another in this new paradigm. Money. Like it does now, like it would then.

It's not even "grubby" why is it grubby? Do you feel grubby when you negotiate a pay rise or a salary when you move jobs. I don't its practical, I don't live in some abstract reality where I work out of some kind of altruism. Why should a football player be any different.