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Les Brechin
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If you look at the clubs currently in league 1, I would say we have as much potential as 15 of those; some a bit more some a bit less.

We didn't get very good gates when we were last at those levels, but football has moved on a lot since then, and I would expect bigger attendances if we were to reach those dizzy heights again. If we are getting between 5-7000 fans for non-league football you have to think we could turn that into 10,000 in league 1 if the capacity allows.

Getting on a roll is the key and the nice thing is with the current owners, the benefits of success are unlikely to be squandered.


Depends on how well we were doing. As has been proved many times in the past, it's not the level you are playing at that brings in the crowds it's how successful the team is doing! (Or what's at stake in a particular game)


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Depends on how well we were doing. As has been proved many times in the past, it's not the level you are playing at that brings in the crowds it's how successful the team is doing! (Or what's at stake in a particular game)


The key is to get those season ticket sales up. We have never been able to do this in the past but the past is the past. Once we create the demand and people see that a season ticket is the way forward, those attendances would be more stable - very similar to Lincoln I suppose.

Of course your argument is correct  - I have seen 23,000 home fans in the ground in tier 4 against Exeter, and less than 5000 in the Championship against Wolves!

It will always be the case that if we are doing really well in whatever division the crowds rise, but we already seem to be getting a lot of younger fans on board; we have owners who will hopefully fully develop our potential and football is so high profile I think we might do better than some people think.
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The key is to get those season ticket sales up. We have never been able to do this in the past but the past is the past. Once we create the demand and people see that a season ticket is the way forward, those attendances would be more stable - very similar to Lincoln I suppose.

Of course your argument is correct  - I have seen 23,000 home fans in the ground in tier 4 against Exeter, and less than 5000 in the Championship against Wolves!

It will always be the case that if we are doing really well in whatever division the crowds rise, but we already seem to be getting a lot of younger fans on board; we have owners who will hopefully fully develop our potential and football is so high profile I think we might do better than some people think.


Plenty of teams are already selling season tickets for next season. Wrexham have sold about 3500 already and that's with no guarantee of what division they'll be in.


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Plenty of teams are already selling season tickets for next season. Wrexham have sold about 3500 already and that's with no guarantee of what division they'll be in.


Christ, even Scunny have got theirs on sale. We’ve always been slower than most on that front; certainly an area we can improve upon.


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If you look at the clubs currently in league 1, I would say we have as much potential as 15 of those; some a bit more some a bit less.

We didn't get very good gates when we were last at those levels, but football has moved on a lot since then, and I would expect bigger attendances if we were to reach those dizzy heights again. If we are getting between 5-7000 fans for non-league football you have to think we could turn that into 10,000 in league 1 if the capacity allows.

Getting on a roll is the key and the nice thing is with the current owners, the benefits of success are unlikely to be squandered.


And this is the crux of this argument for me.  We're forever going back to the fact we drew gates that would dip under 4,000 back in the modern glory days under Buckley in the second tier.  That quite literally was yonks ago.  The world has moved on since then and just because we struggled to get people through the gate then, shouldn't mean the same now.  We were playing good sides, often outplaying them with stylish football at a high level.  Fast forward 20-25 years and we're playing excrement sides, in a ground that has got worse over time, a style of football that is no way near as entertaining with far less successful output.  Yet we're pulling equal, if not bigger, gates.  

If we want to truly progress as a football club we have to think bigger than what we were/are.  A mindset that we don't need a big capacity is suffocating us.   We're in the fifth tier of the football pyramid, sitting just in the upper third of the table, charging £20 to watch pretty average football in an eyesore of a ground yet on Bank Holiday Monday the club were trying to resell tickets of people who can't go.  That should tell us everything.  Not the gate we got against Watford on a wet Tuesday night in 1993.
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Quoted from Les Brechin


Depends on how well we were doing. As has been proved many times in the past, it's not the level you are playing at that brings in the crowds it's how successful the team is doing! (Or what's at stake in a particular game)


Has anyone ever known Ticket Touts operate outside of Blundel Park?
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And this is the crux of this argument for me.  We're forever going back to the fact we drew gates that would dip under 4,000 back in the modern glory days under Buckley in the second tier.  That quite literally was yonks ago.  The world has moved on since then and just because we struggled to get people through the gate then, shouldn't mean the same now.  We were playing good sides, often outplaying them with stylish football at a high level.  Fast forward 20-25 years and we're playing excrement sides, in a ground that has got worse over time, a style of football that is no way near as entertaining with far less successful output.  Yet we're pulling equal, if not bigger, gates.  

If we want to truly progress as a football club we have to think bigger than what we were/are.  A mindset that we don't need a big capacity is suffocating us.   We're in the fifth tier of the football pyramid, sitting just in the upper third of the table, charging £20 to watch pretty average football in an eyesore of a ground yet on Bank Holiday Monday the club were trying to resell tickets of people who can't go.  That should tell us everything.  Not the gate we got against Watford on a wet Tuesday night in 1993.


Our average gate so far this season is about 400 higher than in 97/98, which for a sizeable majority of living Town fans was comfortably our best season in memory in terms of both playing style and outcomes.

If we’re talking home support only, you’d have to go back at least as far as 98/99 or more likely 91/92 (which also followed not one but two promotion seasons) to find Town more well supported. Considering where we are and the season we had last season, it’s absolutely remarkable really.

There’s a potential fan base to be tapped into here; it just takes a big of vision and imagination - two things we’ve sorely lacked for too long until recently.


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And this is the crux of this argument for me.  We're forever going back to the fact we drew gates that would dip under 4,000 back in the modern glory days under Buckley in the second tier.  That quite literally was yonks ago.  The world has moved on since then and just because we struggled to get people through the gate then, shouldn't mean the same now.  We were playing good sides, often outplaying them with stylish football at a high level.  Fast forward 20-25 years and we're playing excrement sides, in a ground that has got worse over time, a style of football that is no way near as entertaining with far less successful output.  Yet we're pulling equal, if not bigger, gates.  

If we want to truly progress as a football club we have to think bigger than what we were/are.  A mindset that we don't need a big capacity is suffocating us.   We're in the fifth tier of the football pyramid, sitting just in the upper third of the table, charging £20 to watch pretty average football in an eyesore of a ground yet on Bank Holiday Monday the club were trying to resell tickets of people who can't go.  That should tell us everything.  Not the gate we got against Watford on a wet Tuesday night in 1993.



I was looking back at an old programme the other day and as you say times have changed with regards to attendances..  we were away at Chelsea ( Dvision 2 / 1981 ) and the gate was around the 11000 mark

When you think how many we took there a few years back for the League Cup game there really is no comparison between historic gates and how many turn up to games nowadays
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Gates back in the early-to-mid 90s were so much smaller than they are now for the vast majority of clubs. Someone shared an old newspaper clipping on social media recently which showed sub-2,000 attendances in both Leagues 1 & 2 at places like Wigan, and there were sub-4,000 at places like Rotherham. Reading didn't pull in much more than that, same goes for Brentford.


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Gates back in the early-to-mid 90s were so much smaller than they are now for the vast majority of clubs. Someone shared an old newspaper clipping on social media recently which showed sub-2,000 attendances in both Leagues 1 & 2 at places like Wigan, and there were sub-4,000 at places like Rotherham. Reading didn't pull in much more than that, same goes for Brentford.


Early 90s saw a massive rise in ticket prices. Seem to remember it went from £6 to stand in the Pontoon to £12 to sit within a few years. No surprise attendances took a big hit
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