Next Manager - None League

So if it isn’t Paul Hurst in charge in the National League (I reckon it will be), then who would you choose as the new manager as we start in none league football once again.

Be realistic though. Come up with someone that would realistically accept a job at National League
level.

Pick someone that isn’t Paul Hurst

Given our fans defeatist attitude of ‘nobody will come here’, the likely answer is let’s keep the miserable failure that is Paul Hurst and let the good times roll

Quoted from pontoonlew

Given our fans defeatist attitude of ‘nobody will come here’, the likely answer is let’s keep the miserable failure that is Paul Hurst and let the good times roll

Sorry to disagree but we don't have a defeatist attitude. We have a positive optimistic attitude which has been consistently let down over the years by extremely poor ownership and on the field management and as a whole poor quality players.

The problem is we know a good team and quality are from the past and how bad todays sh!t is. We don't like it, won't accept and like all reasonable supports complain.

I do agree with you about Paul Hurst who is a miserable failure. While some may like him, his stats say 1 win since he started in January some 12 games, so he has to go. It's a results business and he has not produced any.

Quoted from DB

Sorry to disagree but we don't have a defeatist attitude. We have a positive optimistic attitude which has been consistently let down over the years by extremely poor ownership and on the field management and as a whole poor quality players.

The problem is we know a good team and quality are from the past and how bad todays sh!t is. We don't like it, won't accept and like all reasonable supports complain.

I do agree with you about Paul Hurst who is a miserable failure. While some may like him, his stats say 1 win since he started in January some 12 games, so he has to go. It's a results business and he has not produced any.

I'm more meaning towards the thought of a new manager, the default GTFC response to having a new manager is always 'but who would come here' as if we'd not be able to better than 1 win in 12.

Paul Hurst is the Manager and still will be next season no matter what League we are in, so pointless question.

Probably Hurst. Fits in well here. Loser club

I'm happy to stick with Hurst next season and see how it pans out, he knows the National League well and he's more experienced with more contacts now.

Yes he has to take part of the blame if/when we are relegated but he walked into a right shitshow.

Having said that if we aren't at least challenging for a play-off spot by Christmas he has to go IMO.

Two things will determine our fate. Who is the manger, and how much money he has to spend. Both things have to be right for us to achieve success.

Quoted from 123614

Paul Hurst is the Manager and still will be next season no matter what League we are in, so pointless question.

I'm not convinced he will be. I think the new owners might get rid of him to try and separate themselves from the appointment given how much of a failure it has been.

I would go for the Cowleys.

Their playing style is not everyone's cup of tea, including mine. But I would cheer a goal that takes us into the L1 play off places if it was the result of a 50 yard punt just as much as if it came at the end of a silky 20 pass and move.  

After what we have had to endure these last few years I crave on-field success however achieved.

Quoted from RonMariner

I would go for the Cowleys.

Their playing style is not everyone's cup of tea, including mine. But I would cheer a goal that takes us into the L1 play off places if it was the result of a 50 yard punt just as much as if it came at the end of a silky 20 pass and move.  

After what we have had to endure these last few years I crave on-field success however achieved.

Have you been on the Guinness extra early for breakfast?

The Cowley’s will not come here as their stock is way higher than our (as beautiful as it is is) sinking ship. Plus, factor in their time with Lincoln and this would be another reason they wouldn’t want to manage us.

Danny Cowley rumoured to be getting Pompey job..

I really hope it isn't Hurst I know football is all about different opinions but mine will never change from this no matter what anyone else throws at me (unless he took us up the league's) then I'd gladly eat humble pie

The performances have been turgid at best, he is a set in his ways manager that more often than not people deride his decisions regarding subs, overly defensive tactics.

The results are unacceptable 1 win in 12 in a crap league and in that run we have played mostly bottom of the league clubs and teams desperate for form, yet we still can't score or win. He knew we can't score yet he brought in Payne who he has now seemingly dropped Hanson with his 1 for the season and JPL who doesn't bother the scoresheet regularly either.

That brings me to the future, if we are as most likely in non league his record isn't outstanding is it. 1 promotion in 6 years where I would suggest the league wasn't as strong overall as it is now and we were a big fish in it. He has the job of getting us out the league and I really can't see how he can. To me his stock is on the way down, like a lower league mourinho who's tactics and management are in decline and being overtaken with more forward thinking managers with new ideas and tactics ala Ian evatt when at barrow.

Even if and it's a massive if he got us back up can you see him being able to progress us up and out of league 2? His only league success is 1 season with Shrewsbury where they predictably failed in the play offs, and credit due to keeping them up the year before The rest of his time in the league has been dire or distinctly average.

Hopefully new owners with new ideas come in soon and shake this sleeping club to its core. The fans deserve better than Hurst he is already divisive within the fans and I think the season tickets and attendences will take a hit with him in charge. A new start is needed and in answer to OP although highly unlikely I think the Cowley's would be a massive statement of intent being they have got out of non league, can go on cup runs and progress the club once back in the league

I think it is going to be a really difficult decision for the new owners to make. Hurst feels like a relatively safe appointment. It's been really disappointing the impact he's made but we know he'll work hard, sign decent characters and do things the right way. But do they want safe or do they want a brave new dawn with more ambition and positivity. I suspect that decision might be the first one Mark Palmer gets tasked with.

Quoted from W.T.F

I really hope it isn't Hurst I know football is all about different opinions but mine will never change from this no matter what anyone else throws at me (unless he took us up the league's) then I'd gladly eat humble pie

The performances have been turgid at best, he is a set in his ways manager that more often than not people deride his decisions regarding subs, overly defensive tactics.

The results are unacceptable 1 win in 12 in a crap league and in that run we have played mostly bottom of the league clubs and teams desperate for form, yet we still can't score or win. He knew we can't score yet he brought in Payne who he has now seemingly dropped Hanson with his 1 for the season and JPL who doesn't bother the scoresheet regularly either.

That brings me to the future, if we are as most likely in non league his record isn't outstanding is it. 1 promotion in 6 years where I would suggest the league wasn't as strong overall as it is now and we were a big fish in it. He has the job of getting us out the league and I really can't see how he can. To me his stock is on the way down, like a lower league mourinho who's tactics and management are in decline and being overtaken with more forward thinking managers with new ideas and tactics ala Ian evatt when at barrow.

Even if and it's a massive if he got us back up can you see him being able to progress us up and out of league 2? His only league success is 1 season with Shrewsbury where they predictably failed in the play offs, and credit due to keeping them up the year before The rest of his time in the league has been dire or distinctly average.

Hopefully new owners with new ideas come in soon and shake this sleeping club to its core. The fans deserve better than Hurst he is already divisive within the fans and I think the season tickets and attendences will take a hit with him in charge. A new start is needed and in answer to OP although highly unlikely I think the Cowley's would be a massive statement of intent being they have got out of non league, can go on cup runs and progress the club once back in the league

I'm no Hurst fanboy.

But let's give the guy some credit.

He rocked up here at the back end of 10/11.  We were mid-table when he and Scott turned up, we finished the season there.  It was never an appointment with the expectation that we would surge to the play-offs.  They inherited a quite poor squad, Connell aside.

11/12 - Their first season in charge, we finish 11th.  Positionally no improvement on the previous season but they brought in a good spine to the team that would serve us well in the coming years (McKeown, Pearson, Disley, even Hearn).
12/13 - We finish 4th.  We should have done better that year and we tailed off.  Ran out of steam and lost in play-off semi finals to Newport.
13/14 - 4th again.  Hurst takes over in charge alone early on after Scott is sacked.  Lost in the play-off semi finals to Gateshead.
14/15 - 3rd.  Lose in the play-off final to Bristol Rovers.
15/16 - 4th.  Play off winners.

That's 5 seasons he was with us in the Conference.  One of which was a transformation season.  The other 4 we finished exactly where we would expect our budget to lead us to, top 5.  With the exception of the year we did get promoted, there was always a club that threw money at it big time and ended up getting out.  Fleetwood, Luton, Bristol Rovers...hindsight is great but you can guarantee these clubs had better infrastructures than us.  We might have had similar playing budgets to those around us but I lost count the amount of times the Braintree's of the world came to Blundell Park with sports scientists on the bench.  We weren't a big fish at all, we were a fallen giant trying to live on former glories.    If you look at Hurst in isolation his record in the Conference is 4th, 3rd, 4th (one play-off semi final, two finals, one promotion).  It ain't shabby.

16/17 - Hurst leaves us just outside the play-offs, goes to Shrewsbury and turns them around to avoid relegation.  In my eyes that's a success of a season.
17/18 - He gets Shrewsbury to the play-off final and the FL Trophy final.  Wins nothing and you can argue threw promotion away but that's still a successful season.  I very much doubt his pre-season objectives were anywhere near what he acheived.
18/19 - Ipswich.  Basketcase of a club, losing £300,000 a week for the last god knows how many years.  Budget slashed.  He lasts 15 games, in the two and a half years since he left, Ipswich have hardly gone from strength-to-strength.  Still losing money and currently sit just outside the League One play-offs.
19/20 - Takes over at Scunny, another basketcase club who are leaking money left, right and centre.  Restricted by large contracts dished out when chasing promotion from League One, he falls out with the chairman and is sacked for non-footballing reasons in January.  In the year since, Scunny have made no progress in terms of league position, maybe they've cut their weekly losses (I don't know).

He's hardly a failure is he?  His non-league record stands up.  His league record is alright, the last two/three years not so great but it's not as if anyone's followed him at those clubs and torn up trees either.

The new owners were probably acquiescent in the PH appointment and from this distance it looked a reasonable shout. He might not be great but he knows how to avoid relegation - this would be their thinking. Then re-assess in the summer. Not my choice by a long chalk. Six years to get a lucky  promotion here and failures at 3 other clubs before he came back.

But in reality Hurst has talked about the mess the club was in, sent half the players down the other end of the field to amuse themselves in training and brought on his own team. But the results are no better.

How can they be when your main “striker” misses an open goal my granny would have scored and she’s been dead 58 years this month.. in a nutshell that miss sums up the problems of Holloway and Hurst. The failure to find a striker. One player might not have saved Holloway but it would certainly save Hurst and we would be talking about rebuilding to visit Barrow and not Kings Lynn.

Should Hurst go? Not much point really. All that would mean is that we would have a third manager this season trying to get results without a proper striker and more players banished to the bottom end of the Cheapside field. Might as well leave it for now and have a look in the summer.

But we were looking for a proper striker with literally pennies to tempt them.  I'm pretty certain that there's no way Hurst would have ideally recruited from where he has.  Payne has been a disappointment but I think most felt he was a good signing when he arrived.  Seeing where the other recruitment has come from, we definitely weren't in a position to be choosers.  The club is/was incredibly unattractive for potential signings.  Take the budget out of it, wasn't it during the transfer window that it was announced we received a fine from the EFL because we disregarded the safety of the players in relation to social distancing?  

Come to Grimsby! We're heading for relegation, we pay excrement wages AND we'll increase your likelihood of contracting Covid-19.

Again, it didn't take Hurst 6 years to get promoted.  Also for the lucky promotion, which whilst I don't think was lucky I know what you're saying, we had the year before where had the referee acted accordingly we would have played the final out against ten men with a 1-0 lead for what 75/80 minutes, the year before poor refereeing did us in at Gateshead in the semi's.  Swings and roundabouts.

We're judging Hurst based on something that isn't over yet.  I think it's looking ever unlikely that we'll get out of this as a league club, but if we do pull it off the first three months of Hurst's return will be forgotten.  Until we're either up or down, it's unfair to to say if he's succeeded or failed.

I accept the fact Hurst was good here 1st time round. He was also good at Shrewsbury and that is where it ends.

Both Ipswich and Scunny were failures for him regardless of reasons. It is now 5 years since he managed in the NL and as life changes over the years clubs have changed, players have changed. So will his knowledge of the NL decreased a bit.

I still feel he had his chance to keep us in the EFL and failed with a team he provided. New owners coming and a total new start is needed.

Quoted from DB

I accept the fact Hurst was good here 1st time round. He was also good at Shrewsbury and that is where it ends.

Both Ipswich and Scunny were failures for him regardless of reasons. It is now 5 years since he managed in the NL and as life changes over the years clubs have changed, players have changed. So will his knowledge of the NL decreased a bit.

I still feel he had his chance to keep us in the EFL and failed with a team he provided. New owners coming and a total new start is needed.

DB you’ve made it abundantly clear you don’t want Hurst.

So who would you want instead ?

Don’t sit on the fence

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

DB you’ve made it abundantly clear you don’t want Hurst.

So who would you want instead ?

Don’t sit on the fence

Well Fillipe to use your language, "you know what I've said all you have to do is look back at my posts!"

Unlike you I will give you my answer now which has not changed. I posted at the time, to save us from our current position then, which I feel is irretrievable now, was the Cowley brothers. As I posted then my approach to them would have been 'how much and when'.

Now they appear to be heading to Portsmouth and if they hadn't I don't think the NL would have been attractive.  So perhaps due diligence of quality managers in the NL who, with a decent budget, would get Town back up.

PS  Fillipe, I don't sit on a fence and answer serious questions promptly, unlike you which takes days, stretching to a week or just ignored!

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Have you been on the Guinness extra early for breakfast?

The Cowley’s will not come here as their stock is way higher than our (as beautiful as it is is) sinking ship. Plus, factor in their time with Lincoln and this would be another reason they wouldn’t want to manage us.

Don't be daft. The fact that he managed Lincoln would not in any way impact a decision on joining us. He's a professional, not some dyed in the wool life long Lincoln fan who hates Grimsby. You may as well say no ex-Lincoln players would ever join us.

He lives locally, and with the new owners we could be a very attractive proposition.  I don't think it will happen, but again, with the right financial inducement it would not be impossible.

Quoted from DB

Well Fillipe to use your language, "you know what I've said all you have to do is look back at my posts!"

Unlike you I will give you my answer now which has not changed. I posted at the time, to save us from our current position then, which I feel is irretrievable now, was the Cowley brothers. As I posted then my approach to them would have been 'how much and when'.

Now they appear to be heading to Portsmouth and if they hadn't I don't think the NL would have been attractive.  So perhaps due diligence of quality managers in the NL who, with a decent budget, would get Town back up.

So do you think some sort of due diligence process is the route to success? Do you imagine that John Fenty didn’t try to be diligent in deciding if any of his management appointments were going to be a success?

I’d love to hear what you think should be on a checklist of due diligence in choosing managers. And anyone’s else’s diligence points too.

There’s hardly a management appointment that John Fenty made that was received with complete and utter “no ffs don’t do that”.

Managerial appointments is a lottery and no amount of due diligence is a guarantee of success, or even mediocrity. Even at the very highest levels. To accept that you only have to see the high turnover of managers at all levels, and the amount of managers, the vast amount who have numerous sackings or departures on their CV’s. Including your very own Cowley Bros. choice.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

So do you think some sort of due diligence process is the route to success? Do you imagine that John Fenty didn’t try to be diligent in deciding if any of his management appointments were going to be a success?

I’d love to hear what you think should be on a checklist of due diligence in choosing managers. And anyone’s else’s diligence points too.

There’s hardly a management appointment that John Fenty made that was received with complete and utter “no ffs don’t do that”.

Managerial appointments is a lottery and no amount of due diligence is a guarantee of success, or even mediocrity. Even at the very highest levels. To accept that you only have to see the high turnover of managers at all levels, and the amount of managers, the vast amount who have numerous sackings or departures on their CV’s. Including your very own Cowley Bros. choice.

Well if results are anything top go by, his due diligence needs a bit of work.

Three times he has resorted to re-appointing past managers. (Slade, Buckley, and Hurst) and that suggests he has no real contacts in the wider football world or grasp of how to pick a good manager and so just opts for an ex manager.  

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

So do you think some sort of due diligence process is the route to success? Do you imagine that John Fenty didn’t try to be diligent in deciding if any of his management appointments were going to be a success?

I’d love to hear what you think should be on a checklist of due diligence in choosing managers. And anyone’s else’s diligence points too.

There’s hardly a management appointment that John Fenty made that was received with complete and utter “no ffs don’t do that”.

Managerial appointments is a lottery and no amount of due diligence is a guarantee of success, or even mediocrity. Even at the very highest levels. To accept that you only have to see the high turnover of managers at all levels, and the amount of managers, the vast amount who have numerous sackings or departures on their CV’s. Including your very own Cowley Bros. choice.

John Fenty + Due Diligence 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Alex May.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I'm happy to stick with Hurst next season and see how it pans out, he knows the National League well and he's more experienced with more contacts now.

Yes he has to take part of the blame if/when we are relegated but he walked into a right shitshow.

Having said that if we aren't at least challenging for a play-off spot by Christmas he has to go IMO.

Someone else posted a similar comment and my point was he hasn't been near the National League for nearly 6 years. Plus if he knew it that well how come it took him so long to get us out of it?

You could say he walked into a shitshow be he has managed to make it worse.

Plus if any of his so called contacts helped him decide who he signed then they can intercourse off as well.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

So do you think some sort of due diligence process is the route to success? Do you imagine that John Fenty didn’t try to be diligent in deciding if any of his management appointments were going to be a success?

I’d love to hear what you think should be on a checklist of due diligence in choosing managers. And anyone’s else’s diligence points too.

There’s hardly a management appointment that John Fenty made that was received with complete and utter “no ffs don’t do that”.

Managerial appointments is a lottery and no amount of due diligence is a guarantee of success, or even mediocrity. Even at the very highest levels. To accept that you only have to see the high turnover of managers at all levels, and the amount of managers, the vast amount who have numerous sackings or departures on their CV’s. Including your very own Cowley Bros. choice.

Due diligence is the description, however if you wish to use it to employ monkeys with peanuts you get one breed of manager. On the other hand if you use it say I want quality and I'm prepared to pay a price you get another a mange above monkey material.

Care to point out 1 quality manager in the last 10 years that you friend appointed. Even Hurst and shorty were a gamble with no EFL or NL track records. If you go back further and take Buckley out of the answer you are back with George Kerr, decades ago pre Fenty.

Fenty gambled, not due diligence, and failed miserably just like you do trying to stick up for "Your John".

Quoted from arryarryarry

Someone else posted a similar comment and my point was he hasn't been near the National League for nearly 6 years. Plus if he knew it that well how come it took him so long to get us out of it?

You could say he walked into a shitshow be he has managed to make it worse.

Plus if any of his so called contacts helped him decide who he signed then they can intercourse off as well.

You failed to mention arry that if Hurst had all these NL connections etc. how come he signed the rubbish he did. I'm LJL will come into his own in the NLN but hasn't cut the ice so far for us. 2 foot out and can't hit an empty net. We need goal scores, not goal lookers.

Quoted from diehardmariner

But we were looking for a proper striker with literally pennies to tempt them.  I'm pretty certain that there's no way Hurst would have ideally recruited from where he has.  Payne has been a disappointment but I think most felt he was a good signing when he arrived.  Seeing where the other recruitment has come from, we definitely weren't in a position to be choosers.  The club is/was incredibly unattractive for potential signings.  Take the budget out of it, wasn't it during the transfer window that it was announced we received a fine from the EFL because we disregarded the safety of the players in relation to social distancing?  

Come to Grimsby! We're heading for relegation, we pay excrement wages AND we'll increase your likelihood of contracting Covid-19.

Again, it didn't take Hurst 6 years to get promoted.  Also for the lucky promotion, which whilst I don't think was lucky I know what you're saying, we had the year before where had the referee acted accordingly we would have played the final out against ten men with a 1-0 lead for what 75/80 minutes, the year before poor refereeing did us in at Gateshead in the semi's.  Swings and roundabouts.

We're judging Hurst based on something that isn't over yet.  I think it's looking ever unlikely that we'll get out of this as a league club, but if we do pull it off the first three months of Hurst's return will be forgotten.  Until we're either up or down, it's unfair to to say if he's succeeded or failed.

I agree, and I agree Hurst has tried like Holloway to sign a striker. But they didn’t did they whatever the reason and while I have some sympathy for them the fact remains that this is the single most important reason we are languishing at the bottom of the league.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

DB you’ve made it abundantly clear you don’t want Hurst.

So who would you want instead ?

Don’t sit on the fence

Well I assume we would advertise the job first rather than getting your old mate back which we have done twice in recent seasons and both have turned out to be a disaster.

Whoever would come in can't do much worse than we have been since January.

Quoted from DB

You failed to mention arry that if Hurst had all these NL connections etc. how come he signed the rubbish he did. I'm LJL will come into his own in the NLN but hasn't cut the ice so far for us. 2 foot out and can't hit an empty net. We need goal scores, not goal lookers.

You’ve completely missed all of the points I made. Either that or you are choosing to gloss over them and swerve.

The fact is, there isn’t a manager out there that anyone knows is going to be a success. Not a single manager. There’s successful managers that have failed in roles, there are those with pretty poor CV’s that have had areas of success. There are complete unknown rookies that you might get a feeling might have something, like when the Cowleys, Jolley and even Hurst came on the scene. Chuck Bignot into that category. Nobody has a crystal ball and knows how any manager will turn out. It’s a total lottery.

All depends if money talks. If Chris Wilder is still without a job, he would be a shrewd investment.....and only lives 60 miles away too.

Curtis Woodhouse has just parted company with Gainsborough Trinity. Not because of events on the field, he was doing very well as manager of Trinity, but because of the mess non league football finds itself in due to Covid. In a nutshell they have run out of money, not kicked a ball since October & had to ask Curtis to leave to stay solvent. A very capable manager. He leaves with the all time third best record of any Gainsborough Trinity Managers, even slightly better than Neil Warnock.
PYD 27 W 13 D 6 L 8 F 50 A 39 PTS 45.
PTS per game 1.667.
He is local( lives near Humber bridge), knows non league football, played at a much higher level & was climbing his way towards taking on his first league club as manager. He also has a load of coats & jackets that already have GTFC printed on them!
Finally he is ex British Boxing Champion which could come in handy on away days at places like Chesterfield & Halifax! It's a no brainer for me.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

All depends if money talks. If Chris Wilder is still without a job, he would be a shrewd investment.....and only lives 60 miles away too.

If Pep turns us down then yeah let’s approach Wilder

Considering someone mentioned Chris wilder ( I appreciate it was a joke ) and another the Cowleys ( absolutely deluded , but showing signs of mania recently... you know who you are.. ) I think woodhouse is a sensible suggestion. I’d rather the new lot back him than hurst .

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Considering someone mentioned Chris wilder ( I appreciate it was a joke ) and another the Cowleys ( absolutely deluded , but showing signs of mania recently... you know who you are.. ) I think woodhouse is a sensible suggestion. I’d rather the new lot back him than hurst .

Why?

I like Curtis, and he comes across well on Twitter etc.

But what makes you think he will be better than Hurst?

Next Manager - None League
Not Paul Hurst
We need to be coming straight back up and he's not the man to do that.

Shouldn't it be Non League?

Some cranks on here, mentioning the Cowleys, Jesus they have just had a multi million pound contract up at Huddersfield and are media savvy football league managers still in the ascendency.

Hurst will be our manager as he is slowly improving the team but will run out of games this season to save us.

I am not a Hurst fan and didn't want him back but he is here and will continue to back him.

What he inherited and what he was able to attract to club in January gave him a slim chance at best to improve our plight. Bringing in mercenaries, unproven youth and A&E recoverees is all he could do.

His biggest error was to put faith in Stefan Payne and Green for so many games. We should have had more dynamic options on the bench like Jackson Jnr and even Spokes as oppose to aforementioned journeymen who have showed zero interest this season.
He has made us hard to beat and given time over the summer he will bring players in who can score and have a bit of pace on the wings.
Starting yet again with a new manager search and then his new approach, style of play, squad will just set us back even further and in my opinion be folly.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Why?

I like Curtis, and he comes across well on Twitter etc.

But what makes you think he will be better than Hurst?

Based purely on watching Saturdays game v Colchester it was evident that we resemble a Sunday league side which Hurst is responsible for . Terrible signings and disastrous points tally since his appointment leave me with no other opinion that he should be sacked at the end of the season and as part of a complete fresh start a new up and coming manager should be given the opportunity with decent backing to at least make us competitive.
Hope that answers your question.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Based purely on watching Saturdays game v Colchester it was evident that we resemble a Sunday league side which Hurst is responsible for . Terrible signings and disastrous points tally since his appointment leave me with no other opinion that he should be sacked at the end of the season and as part of a complete fresh start a new up and coming manager should be given the opportunity with decent backing to at least make us competitive.
Hope that answers your question.

It doesn't answer anything.
I would not dismiss Curtis having a shot at all, but this really isn't the time IMO

You can't question Hurst on his signings in January, when I've mentioned on another thread, he had to convince people to join a team that was plummeting out of the league, at a very rapid pace

Habergham - Needed a club after his injury, not many would of taken the risk
LJL & Coke - From 2 league below, wanting full time football.
Lamy - Known disciplinary problems at previous clubs
Payne - Coming back from long injury, at a team on the rise, and wouldn't of got game time
Bunney - Non-league, wanting full time football again
Menayese - fell down pecking order at Mansfield, still young and wants to play
Matete, Idris & Adams - all 20, wanting first team, competitive football

Quoted from TwoLeftFeet

Danny Cowley rumoured to be getting Pompey job..

Pretty much confirmed now so can we stop this silly speculation?
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Matete and Maneyase are the decent signings out of the lot . How does a manager expect results to improve signing 2 has beens from NLN , a complete crock free agent etc etc .

If we keep hurst we’ll end up 11th first season down there . It’s just how he is .

We know from previous and current experience with Paul Hurst, that he will set the team up defensively next season.
He will know as much as is possible about the other teams, and we will be told that Kings Lynn are a formidable team, and we have to cope with their threats.

My opinion for what it's worth, is that we need a new manager once the current season ends. Someone with charisma and enthusiasm ( which Hurst doesn't have ) e.g. McMenemy, Adkins, Holloway. Someone who can make the supporters want to come to Blundell Park.
Being Non League we will need as much revenue through the gates as possible.

Sticking with Paul Hurst will have the opposite effect.

I expect to get some gold stars for this post.

Quoted from male private Nale

Some cranks on here, mentioning the Cowleys, Jesus they have just had a multi million pound contract up at Huddersfield and are media savvy football league managers still in the ascendency.

Hurst will be our manager as he is slowly improving the team but will run out of games this season to save us.

I am not a Hurst fan and didn't want him back but he is here and will continue to back him.

What he inherited and what he was able to attract to club in January gave him a slim chance at best to improve our plight. Bringing in mercenaries, unproven youth and A&E recoverees is all he could do.

His biggest error was to put faith in Stefan Payne and Green for so many games. We should have had more dynamic options on the bench like Jackson Jnr and even Spokes as oppose to aforementioned journeymen who have showed zero interest this season.
He has made us hard to beat and given time over the summer he will bring players in who can score and have a bit of pace on the wings.
Starting yet again with a new manager search and then his new approach, style of play, squad will just set us back even further and in my opinion be folly.

In my opinion just about the entire squad should replaced even those contracted for next season, and possibly some of the backroom staff as well as over the past few years we seem to have an awful lot of players who never seem fit enough.

So on that basis it wouldn't matter if we had a new manager preferably someone who has never been involved at the club.

I just think that we are spoilt having Paul Hurst as manager.  

Quoted from arryarryarry

In my opinion just about the entire squad should replaced even those contracted for next season, and possibly some of the backroom staff as well as over the past few years we seem to have an awful lot of players who never seem fit enough.

So on that basis it wouldn't matter if we had a new manager preferably someone who has never been involved at the club.

Yes it is all very depressing as a fan , we appear to have tried every conceivable approach in appointing a manager since returning to the league each time getting progressively worse results. The common denominator in it is the current regime. Hopefully new board new vision, I believe the consortium had an input in choosing Hurst whether their first action as a new board would be to remove him and wipe the slate clean is yet to be seen.

I agree with you that  certain contracted players, Scannell, Rose, Waterfall for starters should be paid off, with plenty of out of contract ones released.

Quoted from cannylad68

We know from previous and current experience with Paul Hurst, that he will set the team up defensively next season.
He will know as much as is possible about the other teams, and we will be told that Kings Lynn are a formidable team, and we have to cope with their threats.

My opinion for what it's worth, is that we need a new manager once the current season ends. Someone with charisma and enthusiasm ( which Hurst doesn't have ) e.g. McMenemy, Adkins, Holloway. Someone who can make the supporters want to come to Blundell Park.
Being Non League we will need as much revenue through the gates as possible.

Sticking with Paul Hurst will have the opposite effect.

I expect to get some gold stars for this post.

Do you mean Ian Holloway? Have you been on the moon for 5 months?

Quoted from male private Nale

Yes it is all very depressing as a fan , we appear to have tried every conceivable approach in appointing a manager since returning to the league each time getting progressively worse results. The common denominator in it is the current regime. Hopefully new board new vision, I believe the consortium had an input in choosing Hurst whether their first action as a new board would be to remove him and wipe the slate clean is yet to be seen.

I agree with you that  certain contracted players, Scannell, Rose, Waterfall for starters should be paid off, with plenty of out of contract ones released.

Waterfall signed a new contract since Hurst started. It'd be ludicrous to release him after that. Rose hasn't been that bad, he's just had a lot more expectation than what he's done. Can't see Scannell staying, he's decent but never fit and won't want to drop that low.

Quoted from pen penfras

Waterfall signed a new contract since Hurst started. It'd be ludicrous to release him after that. Rose hasn't been that bad, he's just had a lot more expectation than what he's done. Can't see Scannell staying, he's decent but never fit and won't want to drop that low.

Just what has Rose contributed apart from giving away penalties?

I mentioned Ian Holloway in the context of his early enthusiasm, which was more than well received by the fans.

Only a fortune teller would have known the outcome.

A new broom sweeps clean !!

If we get relegated and we have new owners what better time to get rid of everybody and start afresh.   Hurst has had his chance, if he does somehow pull off a miracle and keep up us then yes he deserves to stay, but at the moment it's looking pretty unlikely.   So with new owners in place it's their ideal opportunity to have complete clear out, I'm sorry to say that if the players that we have at the moment aren't good enough for low mid table league 2, then they are not good enough for top of National League.      

As for a new manager it all depends on how optimistic the new owners want to be and what their vision for GTFC is.   If they have a vision / masterplan for new ground and new training facilities and want to get back to the good old days of Championship football, it's up-to the new owners to sell this plan to any new manager and aim to get the best we can.   I don't want to see us doing the merry go round of has-beens' again.    

Personally I would love to see us go down the route of Derby / Glasgow rangers and appoint an ex Premiership player who has recently retired and want's to get into management.   The game has changed so much over the last few years, younger managers have got better ideas and know the modern game better, also they have all the contacts and respect of the younger generation, they can attract a better standard of player by reputation only.    Just throwing a complete random name out there but James Milner would be a good shout.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I'm happy to stick with Hurst next season and see how it pans out, he knows the National League well and he's more experienced with more contacts now.

Yes he has to take part of the blame if/when we are relegated but he walked into a right shitshow.

Having said that if we aren't at least challenging for a play-off spot by Christmas he has to go IMO.

Not getting on to you PP but this is what I mean by the Fenty syndrome.
People were satisfied with Fentys failure, lack of ambition and penny pinching for years before they finally realised how bad he was for our club.
Now its the same with Hurst, he knows non league, got us out last time, he's a nice bloke.
They can't look at the way he got us out of that league after years of turgid, negative boring football.
Hes been given the remit to keep us in this league and it turns out he can't even amass more points than the last lunatic that was in charge.
The bloke is no good for our club.
There must be a manager out there who could bring back the good times and I hope the new blokes at the top can find him.
One thing I do know is Hurst is not that man.

How many new Manager threads do we need DB

Couldn’t you bring yourself to reply on this thread in detail?

Or are you just a troll

Don’t feed the troll

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

How many new Manager threads do we need DB

Couldn’t you bring yourself to reply on this thread in detail?

Or are you just a troll

Don’t feed the troll

Zzzzzzzz 🥱

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

How many new Manager threads do we need DB

Couldn’t you bring yourself to reply on this thread in detail?

Or are you just a troll

Don’t feed the troll

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Do PL players drop to NL level to cut there managerial teeth ? They don’t even know what the NL is FFS !!!

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Do PL players drop to NL level to cut there managerial teeth ? They don’t even know what the NL is FFS !!!

Maybe, but 4 high profile ex PL players did buy a NL team that are now doing better than us.  Bit of money and ambition can do wonders.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Do PL players drop to NL level to cut there managerial teeth ? They don’t even know what the NL is FFS !!!

Exactly

Realistically the answer is probably no one we can predict now.
Probably someone whose profile will be like Hursts was first time round. Experienced ex league player who has had one or two non league manager jobs in which he has done well and whose stock is rising and who sees the history and fan base of GTFC as attractive. Applies for the job at the time. Whenever that is. Probably a Northerner who is isn’t phased by living here having been a past visitor to Cleethorpes on us holidays . Hopefully this time won’t bring his mate with him which might save a year or two.

Quoted from TAGG

Not getting on to you PP but this is what I mean by the Fenty syndrome.
People were satisfied with Fentys failure, lack of ambition and penny pinching for years before they finally realised how bad he was for our club.
Now its the same with Hurst, he knows non league, got us out last time, he's a nice bloke.
They can't look at the way he got us out of that league after years of turgid, negative boring football.
Hes been given the remit to keep us in this league and it turns out he can't even amass more points than the last lunatic that was in charge.
The bloke is no good for our club.
There must be a manager out there who could bring back the good times and I hope the new blokes at the top can find him.
One thing I do know is Hurst is not that man.

Absolutely spot on!

If we’re relegated then he will have failed in what he was brought in to do and must go.

The last thing we need is several seasons in non league with Hurst relishing our tag of underdogs as he sets us up defensively to nullify the threat of the Barcelona-esque mighty Boreham Wood.

It’s probably why he took the job on.  If we stay up he’s a hero, if we go down he just needs to get in the top 7 each season for it to be deemed a success each year where the usual excuses will he trotted out about how difficult a league it is to get out of.

If we are relegated Hurst has to go.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Matete and Maneyase are the decent signings out of the lot . How does a manager expect results to improve signing 2 has beens from NLN , a complete crock free agent etc etc .

If we keep hurst we’ll end up 11th first season down there . It’s just how he is .

But in the majority, his signings have been improvements haven't they?  

It's not 100% but there isn't a manager alive who gets every signing right.

The fact that we've brought in two lads from Conference North and they're better than what we had and now staples of the first team gives a strong suggestion to both how excrement the situation was and also how tight the budget was in January.

I’d argue that Jackson would’ve buried both those chances that LJL missed in the last 2 games , so no he’s not better !!

Quoted from diehardmariner

But in the majority, his signings have been improvements haven't they?  

It's not 100% but there isn't a manager alive who gets every signing right.

The fact that we've brought in two lads from Conference North and they're better than what we had and now staples of the first team gives a strong suggestion to both how excrement the situation was and also how tight the budget was in January.

At the moment no, not in terms of results which I presume was the reason PH was brought in to do.

If the budget was so tight why bring in Habergham who hadn't played for 18 months?

Coming back to the thread topic, I would like to address the 'Cowley's too good for us' attitude expressed by some posters (you know who you are).

In football money talks. Jason Stockwood sold his online business for £500,000,000. Frankly, he can afford almost any manager he chooses.

Danny Cowley failed in the Championship. True, he won L2, but did not get to a L1 playoff final, unlike our current manager. Our previous manger got promoted to the Premiership with two different teams. No doubt the same posters would have said it was foolish to expect someone with his track record to consider coming here.

So to say that there is  no chance that Cowley would even consider coming here is indicative of a defeatist attitude and lack of ambition. Especially as he lives locally and his family may well be settled in the area, I know he is going elsewhere, but it is far from impossible to have persuaded him to take on our job had the new owners really wanted to.

It's the same with players. Pay them and they will come. But to suggest that there is something so fundamentally wrong with us that we can never sign quality players or managers is just daft.  

Quoted from RonMariner

In football money talks. Jason Stockwood sold his online business for £500,000,000. Frankly, he can afford almost any manager he chooses.

  

If you mean Simply Business that wasn’t his company.

Quoted from psgmariner

If you mean Simply Business that wasn’t his company.

No. I thought he owned Match.com?

Quoted from RonMariner

No. I thought he owned Match.com?

Though doing quick google it was Simply that went for £400m? I am sure  I read somewhere that he and a partner sold a business for a huge amount £400-500m. Maybe that was wrong?

Also Fenty referred to them as very wealthy individuals, suggesting they had more dosh than him.

Quoted from RonMariner

Though doing quick google it was Simply that went for £400m? I am sure  I read somewhere that he and a partner sold a business for a huge amount £400-500m. Maybe that was wrong?

He sold his share for £495m... believe that was his match.com interest.
Schutes has just sold his home for £22m (god knows how big it was) and I thought Petit was worth in excess of £50m(could be miles off the mark with Petit though).. ..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

He sold his share for £495m... believe that was his match.com interest.
Schutes has just sold his home for £22m (god knows how big it was) and I thought Petit was worth in excess of £50m(could be miles off the mark with Petit though).. ..

Wow!

No clambering up the floodlights to save thirty quid on an electrician for these boys then.

Quoted from RonMariner

Coming back to the thread topic, I would like to address the 'Cowley's too good for us' attitude expressed by some posters (you know who you are).

In football money talks. Jason Stockwood sold his online business for £500,000,000. Frankly, he can afford almost any manager he chooses.

Danny Cowley failed in the Championship. True, he won L2, but did not get to a L1 playoff final, unlike our current manager. Our previous manger got promoted to the Premiership with two different teams. No doubt the same posters would have said it was foolish to expect someone with his track record to consider coming here.

So to say that there is  no chance that Cowley would even consider coming here is indicative of a defeatist attitude and lack of ambition. Especially as he lives locally and his family may well be settled in the area, I know he is going elsewhere, but it is far from impossible to have persuaded him to take on our job had the new owners really wanted to.

It's the same with players. Pay them and they will come. But to suggest that there is something so fundamentally wrong with us that we can never sign quality players or managers is just daft.  

The cowleys didn't fail in the championship, they were employed to save Huddersfield from relegation, which they achieved. No way they would drop to the worst team in the football league with a penny pinching chairman who is famous throughout football by now for such. You have to live in the real world and the cowleys were outside of our reach.

Quoted from toontown

The cowleys didn't fail in the championship, they were employed to save Huddersfield from relegation, which they achieved. No way they would drop to the worst team in the football league with a penny pinching chairman who is famous throughout football by now for such. You have to live in the real world and the cowleys were outside of our reach.

I agree with you that they would not come and work for Fenty. They are not stupid.

I was thinking about the new owners. And in the real world its about money not sentiment.

Anyway, pointless now, they are at Pompey.