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Just read this....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56378958It just shows you it can be done ........ They were 11 points adrift of safety at the bottom,with 12 games left......they won 7 and scored a 89th minute winner at Notts County on last game to stay up..... I know I’m clutching at straws but we cannot give up hope....... In theory we’re in a much better position than they were.......even though it doesn’t feel like it! UTM
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Just read this....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56378958It just shows you it can be done ........ They were 11 points adrift of safety at the bottom,with 12 games left......they won 7 and scored a 89th minute winner at Notts County on last game to stay up..... I know I’m clutching at straws but we cannot give up hope....... In theory we’re in a much better position than they were.......even though it doesn’t feel like it! UTM
Whilst it can be done, he turned the team around in 12 games, Paul Hurst has had 12 games and where are we?
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Just read this....... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56378958It just shows you it can be done ........ They were 11 points adrift of safety at the bottom,with 12 games left......they won 7 and scored a 89th minute winner at Notts County on last game to stay up..... I know I’m clutching at straws but we cannot give up hope....... In theory we’re in a much better position than they were.......even though it doesn’t feel like it! UTM
He said they want 22 points from 12 games. Hmm 12 games 6 points for us. Flynn's looking optimistic and Hurst is looking any ideas???????
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Maybe the difference was DB, Newport had a decent team already and Flynn didn’t need to re-build it from scratch.
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Genuine question - did Hurst need a complete rebuild or just half a dozen better players?
We were averaging close to a point per game before he came in, now he’s somehow managed to halve that.
I’m no fan of Holloway but when he needed a left back last season he went out and got Glennon, Hurst goes out and brings 2 bang average players in, one of whom has had significant injury issues in the past couple of years.
We clearly needed some better players bringing in but did he need to bring so many in??
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Defensively, we are better. We could hardly be worse. Hurst has done the right thing by tightening up at the back as we were shipping loads of goals. Perhaps that has come at the expense of our attack. He needs to adjust that balance as we need the three points, one points here and there an no good to us.
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Hurst has definitely signed better players, and we do look better despite not getting the results.
Eastwood better than Mckeown, Habergham better than Preston, Manayese brings more pace and mobility compared to Waterfall and Pollock, who are very similar, Matete far better than Taylor, Spokes, Morton, Rose, Williams etc, whilst I can’t say im a fan of LJL, he is far better than Green, or any of the young strikers, Lamy looks a real player.
We have tightened up at the back and look far more organised, it’s the inability to score that is killing us. Under Jolley’s great escape, we couldn’t score from open play, but won a crazy amount of penalties to get the goals to survive.
Survival often has fine margins- if LJL had scored from 2 yards rather than hit the bar, if we hadn’t conceded at the death in the previous match etc, we would have been a further 4 points better off and in the mix.
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Maybe the difference was DB, Newport had a decent team already and Flynn didn’t need to re-build it from scratch.
This is something which seems to be conveniently forgotten. Especially when people bang on about Barrow since Jolley was sacked. And why a change of manager is pointless.
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This is something which seems to be conveniently forgotten. Especially when people bang on about Barrow since Jolley was sacked. And why a change of manager is pointless.
So your point is that changing manager for Newport and Barrow worked, so we shouldn't change manager?
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So your point is that changing manager for Newport and Barrow worked, so we shouldn't change manager?
i thought his point was that Newport had a better squad to start with, but maybe you are deliberately missing his point? I dont know the Newport situation but assumed the poster meant a fit smaller squad with more quality. Instead of the Holloway chaos whereby he promoted schoolkids instead of trying Hope/Painter/Curran etc..., was about to ditch his skipper keeper, acquired Mohsni who he never used, gave lengthy contracts to untested strikers and didnt really use them and brought in multiple loanees etc etc
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We do play better, but normally only for 45 minutes.
Hendrie, Hewitt, Hanson, and Morais are among the better performers and they were all here when Hurst arrived. Wright and Clifton too. So Hurst had a foundation. He just needed to make four or five astute signings to bolster the squad that was already clear of the relegation places.
Incredibly he has taken us down to rock bottom with 6 points from 12 games. Now relegation is almost certain. It need not have been this way.
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It's not over until the fat lady sings, however I just don't think it's feasible. Since we returned to the league, the average points required to survive has been 45 (discounting last year's curtailed season). Currently, based on PPG both Barrow and Port Vale are set to hit 46 points, so that seems a reasonable ball park to aim for.
Even if we use the slightly lower figure of 45 as a benchmark, that means picking up another 19 points from 13 games - 1.46PPG. That's compared to the 0.79 we've managed across the entire season, and the 0.5 we've achieved in Hurst's time back a the club, in spite of some anecdotal yet intangible signs of improvement.
To add to the challenge, of the 13 games we have remaining, 6 are against sides in the current top 10 and 5 against sides currently in play-off or promotion positions.
I'm trying to get my head around the idea now so it hurts less when it finally happens. Stranger things have happened in football but the probability of us surviving is very, very low.
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I know it's the same for everybody but I think there's even less chance of it happening with no fans behind them, we could've at least done with that to possibly give us a point or two extra.
I've a feeling the 0-0 draws with Southend and Colchester, along with the Stevenage debacle, would've been different with fans behind them.
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I know it's the same for everybody but I think there's even less chance of it happening with no fans behind them, we could've at least done with that to possibly give us a point or two extra.
I've a feeling the 0-0 draws with Southend and Colchester, along with the Stevenage debacle, would've been different with fans behind them.
If the fans were there we wouldn't be in this mess. Why, because the useless sh!tes on the pitch would have been told what was thought of them. Their attitude would have changed straight away and wouldn't have dished out such utter rubbish consistently over the last 12 games. Things have only got slightly, and I mean slightly, better on the pitch because they couldn't get any worse.
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I was at the away game it was midweek and really foggy, Newport were bottom it was a awful game ended 0-0. what actually stuck out was when I was in the ticket office how upset the lady was behind the counter We had a brief conversation about our respective teams TBH she was nearly in tears at the prospect of going down back to no mans land very very subdued. Next season they bought P Amond enough said That's what happens when you run a DIV 2 team on peanuts Thank you Mr Fenty NOW IT'S OUR TURN
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So your point is that changing manager for Newport and Barrow worked, so we shouldn't change manager?
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Defensively, we are better. We could hardly be worse. Hurst has done the right thing by tightening up at the back as we were shipping loads of goals. Perhaps that has come at the expense of our attack. He needs to adjust that balance as we need the three points, one points here and there an no good to us.
We were the lowest scorers in the league under Holloway when he left.
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